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My Apology

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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#701 - 2012-03-27 03:39:02 UTC  |  Edited by: SmilingVagrant
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
Selinate wrote:
You have to understand, this apology is coming from the same person who runs an alliance that literally finds most of their fun in screwing with people. It's a LITTLE hard to take this apology at face value.

I'd still have to say that I think you should step down as chairman, Mittens. The only way that an apology from a goon can be considered heartfelt and honest is with a gesture as big as that...


He didn't just apologize he also sent the dude 10.7 bil ISK.


Ohhhh then it's perfectly ok.... jesus.... how morally bankrupt are you?


You're right, he should obviously sign over his house too.

Maybe let the dude come over and bang his wife.
Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#702 - 2012-03-27 03:39:14 UTC
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:
Sorry 'mittens' but no. You blaming drinking for what you did doesn't fly. As a former lawyer how violently would you rip that defense apart? You as a person crossed a line and playing the drunk card is even lower. If your 'persona' and the 'real you' blend so easily, you can't be acceptable to the community you supposedly serve.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#703 - 2012-03-27 03:40:43 UTC
Muestereate wrote:
Quote:
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well Krix there are only three things that cause blackouts, a doctor looks for brain trauma like a baseball bat to the head. Schizophrenia or alcoholism.

People today spend less and less time "in " the disease" A question often asked today is whether alcohol use has negative consequences for you or those around you. If it does stop, If you can't stop, call AA. What kind of person keeps doing stuff over and over that hurts themselves in some way shape or form?


Quote:

I personally have a drink once or twice a year.

There has been a time or two when I went far enough to not remember every comment I made during the evening precisely the next day.

According to your definition I'm having black outs and am an alcoholic.

I guess it's time to quit my job at the university and turn myself in to rehab. Big smile


I didn't really define blackout, you did. I gave probable diagnosis. Blackout implies a complete memory loss, duration and recovery not really predictable.


And yet you insinuate that the Mittani had a blackout, indeed implied that he had a history of blackouts.

Nice try, but no.

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Ustrello
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#704 - 2012-03-27 03:40:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Ustrello
notice people who are taking the hard stance on this issue are either high sec pubbies or people who are getting their pimp mobiles nerfed
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#705 - 2012-03-27 03:41:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
Selinate wrote:
You have to understand, this apology is coming from the same person who runs an alliance that literally finds most of their fun in screwing with people. It's a LITTLE hard to take this apology at face value.

I'd still have to say that I think you should step down as chairman, Mittens. The only way that an apology from a goon can be considered heartfelt and honest is with a gesture as big as that...


He didn't just apologize he also sent the dude 10.7 bil ISK.


Ohhhh then it's perfectly ok.... jesus.... how morally bankrupt are you?


It's an indicator that he's serious about his apology, not just trolling or whatever, and since the victim is perfectly fine he just got 10 bil without losing anything (apart from some mackinaws a few months ago)
He wouldn't have sent the isk if he was just "screwing with people".

As for how morally bankrupt I am, I'm in charge of the Guiding hand social club, so lots !
Ordais
DARK ORCHESTRA
#706 - 2012-03-27 03:41:47 UTC
Powers Sa wrote:

You are confusing our roleplaying alliance with who we are as real people.


If you behave like a jerk ALL THE TIME, don't complain about beeing seen as a JERK. Don't come complaining that at home you are a nice guy. Nobody cares.
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#707 - 2012-03-27 03:41:49 UTC
Lynx Sawpaw wrote:

This whole incident is disgusting.

you started digging your own grave by making that slide, and not as the mittani, internet spaceship villain extraordinaire, but as sober Alex Gianturco who should have NO excuse.


Correct, on other forums his wife was saying she was trying to get him to take it out and said it was a bad idea. Hindsight, funny is not so funny. He says he is not a bad person, but goon mob mentality, cannot just switch. If it seemed funny in eve, so until it seriously gets critiqued, it would remain funny. Now hindsight is 20/20

Lynx Sawpaw wrote:

Lastly, back to CCP, where the **** is your response to this?


We must remember, this is an EULA issue. As such, they would not be able to make any statements about it until investigation was done. They have made the media reports stating as such, seen in other sites. So them not responding, well, that is a legal issue. Especially considering the profile of the case.

People also wondered about the mentioned player? The login news has the article up and mentions the player's name. Personal experience they ask permission to use name or reference in any way before putting up in the correspondence. Can only assume the player is still active in that case since they did give his name, would have had to have his permission?

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

de4deye
Phantom Space
Space Madness.
#708 - 2012-03-27 03:41:51 UTC
The fact is there is no making up for what mittani did, sending a suicidal person billions of isk will not do him any good if he kills himself over what mittani told him. I can't believe mittani thinks this is something he can smooth away with a smug PR apology. Mittani, there is no good excuse for what you have done.
Davor
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#709 - 2012-03-27 03:42:24 UTC
BEEP BEEP I'm a truck!
Selinate
#710 - 2012-03-27 03:42:29 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
Selinate wrote:
You have to understand, this apology is coming from the same person who runs an alliance that literally finds most of their fun in screwing with people. It's a LITTLE hard to take this apology at face value.

I'd still have to say that I think you should step down as chairman, Mittens. The only way that an apology from a goon can be considered heartfelt and honest is with a gesture as big as that...


He didn't just apologize he also sent the dude 10.7 bil ISK.


Ohhhh then it's perfectly ok.... jesus.... how morally bankrupt are you?


Your right, he should obviously sign over his house too.

Maybe let the dude come over and bang his wife.


No, he should step down from his position of power in order to solidify his intentions. 10 bil from a leader of an alliance as large and prevalent as the goons? Hardly a gesture.
Atomic Virulent
Embargo.
#711 - 2012-03-27 03:42:50 UTC
Doesn't "The Real You" come out when you are drunk?

LOL

Here's how to translate the apology from propaganda bullshit to english... Ahem:

"Disregard all of my previous sociopathic, sadistic and tyrannical behavior that you are all so keenly aware of. hic! I'm... Sorry? I guess? hic! Please, please don't read any of my Sins of a Solar Spy articles where I consistently comment on how EvE really is just an extension of our lives. hic!..... That is all. Bloo bloo bloo."


~ 49,000 ~



Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#712 - 2012-03-27 03:42:54 UTC
Ustrello wrote:
notice people who are taking the hard stance on this issue are either high sec pubbies or people who are getting their pimp mobiles nerfed


Notice how easily it could have swung the other way and ended witht he guy dead by his own hand because he was told by a tonne of people to do so?

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Princess Bride
SharkNado
#713 - 2012-03-27 03:42:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Princess Bride
The Mittani wrote:
This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible. I didn't know the extent of how much of a shitheel I had been until today, when footage of the presentation went up. As many of you now know, I gave out the in-game character name of a Mackinaw miner if anyone had wanted to blow him up - except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.

Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.

Christ.

I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel. It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.

I'm relieved to discover that the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, despite being blown up by Goonswarm in-game. He deserves, and he has, my heartfelt apologies - here in public as well as a private apology. There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.

If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.


Wow, you really can't distinguish between in-game and real life, even now. Let me try to explain this to you:

Real life player/person == CAN commit suicide in REAL LIFE
Toon/character/Macinaw pilot == Pixels. In-game. Can only biomass.

You did not encourage a toon to biomass. You asked a bunch of people to encourage a REAL LIFE person to commit REAL LIFE suicide.

And now, instead of expressing concern for the PLAYER, you focus on his in-game activity with a very thin veneer of masked contempt. He's not an Eve player to you and certainly not a real person. You refer to him as "the miner". "A Macinaw pilot". A "Macinaw miner". Less than. A "pubbie."

A normal person in this situation would at least try to contact this guy and apologize privately and personally. I'd suggest Skype (you have a chan don't you?) Maybe you could both sign a NDA. But you're not a normal person, are you? You're The Mittani, king of the goons, CSM chairman, Mr. "deal with it"...admitted sadist. Thanks for the new black eye you've given my favorite game, Mr. Chairman.

And reversing yourself now saying. "I am not a sadist?" How do you reconcile that with bragging about being a sadist in your own campaign thread? You said, quote:

i sling mud, i scam supercaps, and i'm a sadist, this isn't new or particularly interesting

So was that roleplaying, in your CSM campaign thread? Or was that the real Alex, like the guy with the mic?

And if you're going to do a complete 180 on the whole "I'm a sadist, deal with it" tip, how can anyone trust that any part of your apology is sincere?

(Before anyone says that was in-game, roleplaying, or the like you should read the convo in its entirety in his thread or in convo format here.)

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Derrick Munroe
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#714 - 2012-03-27 03:43:19 UTC
de4deye wrote:
Convincing someone to commit suicide is not a laughing matter, mittani - you are a monster. Being drunk is not a sufficient excuse for your actions, there are no excuses here. A smug apology will not simply get you off of the hook.


Oh boy, how to pick apart this one.

1) He never used being drunk as an excuse for his actions, please re-read his apology in full. He admitted responsibility despite his intoxication at the time.

2) He did not convince anybody to commit suicide. The guy is perfectly alive and well (and now richer 10.7bn ISK).

3) NCdot. I'm sure you're not biased against Mittani in any way, shape, or form, and have no reason to push to have him removed from CSM chair. (Also, how's your Titan fleet doing? Let me know when you want to hand over more Gyrobus killmails)

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London
Center for Advanced Studies
#715 - 2012-03-27 03:43:24 UTC
While I can respect your apology toward this person and the community, this is somewhat contrary to what you said on the EVE Fly Reckless podcast a few months ago. You stated that you don't "role-play" in EVE and that the character you portray is essentially who you are in real life. :/


Zanmaru
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#716 - 2012-03-27 03:43:40 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Crusader: Sir, SIR!!! You need to come with me and press charges immediately. You have been VICTIMIZED!

Confused: I have?

Crusader: Yes indeed. A few days ago that man over there was overheard by many people saying "If you want to help Confused end it all go talk to him, and take your cards".

Confused: Huh? Oh yeah. I wasn't aware he said it until he came up to me this morning and apologized for what he had said. Then he gave me a pile of money to make up for it. It confused the hell out of me, but okay... I'll take his money. See, we were playing poker a few years ago and after I lost my shirt I said "Remind me to shoot myself the next time I sit in on a poker game when I'm broke." No big deal really, I had forgotten all about it.

Crusader: Totally irrelevant. He was inciting people to cause you to commit suicide. We must take action NOW!

Confused: Uh, but I had any intention of...

Crusader: Irrelevant! The man must pay for his crime.

Confused: But I'm fine...

Crusader: Irrelevant!!

Confused: I really think he was just jok...

Crusader: Irrelevant!!!

Confused: Who the hell are you anyway?

Crusader: Irrelevant!!!!

Confused: Could you just leave me alone now please? Your ranting is starting to draw a crowd, and you're stressing me out.

Crusader: No! Justice must be served for this crime against you.

Confused: (Muttering) Now where did I leave that gun...


That's cool. Has the guy actually posted some sort of response, or is this all pointless rhetoric?
Powers Sa
#717 - 2012-03-27 03:43:42 UTC
de4deye wrote:
Convincing someone to commit suicide is not a laughing matter, mittani - you are a monster. Being drunk is not a sufficient excuse for your actions, there are no excuses here. A smug apology will not simply get you off of the hook.

What was smug about it? It seems pretty genuine to me. I've pretty much dropped all trolling in this thread because the kneejerking is pretty epic.

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#718 - 2012-03-27 03:43:47 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:

"Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable."

Let us know when two and three are done.


One is done, both here and to the miner. Three is done. Two takes a post, and I should probably discuss it with the CSM before I mash butan.

I think Two Step would make a fine Chairman, though.


You absolutely do not have to fall on this sword unless CCP demands it.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Lynx Sawpaw
Hole Divers
Wardec Mechanics
#719 - 2012-03-27 03:43:50 UTC
Andski wrote:

CCP is not going to disenfranchise the 10,000+ accounts that voted for him. Anybody sensible knows that will not happen.


CCP doesn't have to, his actions did it for them.
Helena Russell Makanen
DRRUSSEL
#720 - 2012-03-27 03:45:07 UTC
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
Selinate wrote:
You have to understand, this apology is coming from the same person who runs an alliance that literally finds most of their fun in screwing with people. It's a LITTLE hard to take this apology at face value.

I'd still have to say that I think you should step down as chairman, Mittens. The only way that an apology from a goon can be considered heartfelt and honest is with a gesture as big as that...


He didn't just apologize he also sent the dude 10.7 bil ISK.


Ohhhh then it's perfectly ok.... jesus.... how morally bankrupt are you?


It's an indicator that he's at least partially serious in his apology, not just trolling or whatever, and since the victim is perfectly fine he just got 10 bil without losing anything (apart from some mackinaws a few months ago)


And if he killed himself then what would your opinion be?

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