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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#681 - 2012-03-27 03:34:29 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible. I didn't know the extent of how much of a shitheel I had been until today, when footage of the presentation went up. As many of you now know, I gave out the in-game character name of a Mackinaw miner if anyone had wanted to blow him up - except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.

Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.

Christ.

I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel. It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.

I'm relieved to discover that the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, despite being blown up by Goonswarm in-game. He deserves, and he has, my heartfelt apologies - here in public as well as a private apology. There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.

If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.


You should step down before they remove you so that when its all said and done you can look back and say you did the right thing. I have heard the rumor that you are a lawyer, but even if (though) you aren't you should realize that CCP's assets will be seizeable if anyone presses charges.

As you said yourself, there is no excuse for it. Every minute you continue to serve on the CSM contradicts that statement, as you are excusing yourself.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
L00B
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#682 - 2012-03-27 03:34:33 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:



You miss the part where this was not part of the game.



Right, the Council for Stellar Management is about the REAL SPACE instead.


Your stupid is hanging out. Please secure it.
XxTheKmanxX
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#683 - 2012-03-27 03:34:35 UTC
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:
Sorry 'mittens' but no. You blaming drinking for what you did doesn't fly. As a former lawyer how violently would you rip that defense apart? You as a person crossed a line and playing the drunk card is even lower. If your 'persona' and the 'real you' blend so easily, you can't be acceptable to the community you supposedly serve.


if you would post from your main someone might take you seriously.
Theodoric Darkwind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#684 - 2012-03-27 03:34:36 UTC
Ninevite wrote:
Make the next fanfest ban speakers from drinking before their presentations. It was just awful to watch some of the talks

Props to some of the folks on the alliance panel who denied alcohol while on stage


The alliance panel has always been a bit ...... comedic. I think CCP wants at least some of the panelists to be tipsy for the entertainment value. The alliance panel is more for the audience in the hall (most of whom are probably also at some level of intoxication). The serious business stuff is done during the day when people are still sober(ish)
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#685 - 2012-03-27 03:34:44 UTC
Not being able to differentiate between what is real and what is not .. pretty sure it is a symptom of something or other Smile

Normally I would say that apologizing proves that you are not a raging socio-path, but then you are an educated person (lawyer no less if I am not mistaken!) so you may still be and simply see the apology as advantageous/strategic.

PS: Apologizing is not enough for lots of people as the line you crossed is so well marked that the action you performed is against real world laws in a lot of civilized societies .. just sayin'
Powers Sa
#686 - 2012-03-27 03:34:47 UTC
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:
Sorry 'mittens' but no. You blaming drinking for what you did doesn't fly. As a former lawyer how violently would you rip that defense apart? You as a person crossed a line and playing the drunk card is even lower. If your 'persona' and the 'real you' blend so easily, you can't be acceptable to the community you supposedly serve.

Quote:

There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.

what.

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Remeber: Gambling addiction is no laughing matter unless you've lost a vast space fortune on the internet.
DirtyDirty88
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#687 - 2012-03-27 03:35:18 UTC
"One of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you..."
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#688 - 2012-03-27 03:35:26 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
You should step down before they remove you so that when its all said and done you can look back and say you did the right thing. I have heard the rumor that you are a lawyer, but even if (though) you aren't you should realize that CCP's assets will be seizeable if anyone presses charges.

As you said yourself, there is no excuse for it. Every minute you continue to serve on the CSM contradicts that statement, as you are excusing yourself.



look at this internet lawyer

so adorable

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Powers Sa
#689 - 2012-03-27 03:36:04 UTC
Selinate wrote:
You have to understand, this apology is coming from the same person who runs an alliance that literally finds most of their fun in screwing with people. It's a LITTLE hard to take this apology at face value.

I'd still have to say that I think you should step down as chairman, Mittens. The only way that an apology from a goon can be considered heartfelt and honest is with a gesture as big as that...

You are confusing our roleplaying alliance with who we are as real people.

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Remeber: Gambling addiction is no laughing matter unless you've lost a vast space fortune on the internet.
Nambr1
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#690 - 2012-03-27 03:36:06 UTC
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:
Sorry 'mittens' but no. You blaming drinking for what you did doesn't fly. As a former lawyer how violently would you rip that defense apart? You as a person crossed a line and playing the drunk card is even lower. If your 'persona' and the 'real you' blend so easily, you can't be acceptable to the community you supposedly serve.



good point
Dragunov Vio
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#691 - 2012-03-27 03:36:09 UTC
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:
Sorry 'mittens' but no. You blaming drinking for what you did doesn't fly. As a former lawyer how violently would you rip that defense apart? You as a person crossed a line and playing the drunk card is even lower. If your 'persona' and the 'real you' blend so easily, you can't be acceptable to the community you supposedly serve.


he doesn't use it for defense, he just acknowledges that he was at the time, and states that it mitigates his position mildly, re-read op please.
Shepard Book
Underground Stargate
#692 - 2012-03-27 03:36:10 UTC
Andski wrote:
Shepard Book wrote:
I doubt I am the only one here with multiple accounts.


There's a difference between posting on the forums with alts and using multiple accounts to vote in the CSM elections.

You're obviously p dumb since you post on an alt so I wouldn't expect you to understand v0v


Dumb is the best you can do? Really? Not everyone likes to pull their organizations into their own opinions. It is not a hard concept to think of why it does not matter what you post seeing how you are from your Alliance.

Anyways, Back to the person who ran things for you... I wonder what CCP will do.
de4deye
Phantom Space
Space Madness.
#693 - 2012-03-27 03:36:37 UTC
Convincing someone to commit suicide is not a laughing matter, mittani - you are a monster. Being drunk is not a sufficient excuse for your actions, there are no excuses here. A smug apology will not simply get you off of the hook.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#694 - 2012-03-27 03:37:13 UTC
Powers Sa wrote:
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:
Sorry 'mittens' but no. You blaming drinking for what you did doesn't fly. As a former lawyer how violently would you rip that defense apart? You as a person crossed a line and playing the drunk card is even lower. If your 'persona' and the 'real you' blend so easily, you can't be acceptable to the community you supposedly serve.

Quote:

There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.

what.


Pubbie grey matter retention is crap. They cannot discern between our excuses and his so the last positive thing they heard about him or the situation floats to the top and they spew it as if it came from his own mouth.
Princess Nana
Doomheim
#695 - 2012-03-27 03:37:19 UTC
Andski wrote:
Lynx Sawpaw wrote:
If you truly want to take ownership of your mistakes then you can start by stepping down from CSM, tell your alliance members to stop defending an act you have publicly condoned and apologized for, and stop your alliance from attacking protesters in jita. Saying sorry is something you do when you don't pull out soon enough, when you **** up this bad, action is required.

Lastly, back to CCP, where the **** is your response to this? What is there to think about or consider? Is there any other option for you than to publicly condone this abhorrent jackass of a person? Will you continue to keep him at your side? You should have kicked him from fanfest right then and there for making such a comment. How do you feel knowing that there are thousands of players defending him? Will you let that temper your response?


CCP is not going to disenfranchise the 10,000+ accounts that voted for him. Anybody sensible knows that will not happen.

You mean the 10,000+ accounts that he ordered / commanded to vote for him. Democracy at its finest.
Helena Russell Makanen
DRRUSSEL
#696 - 2012-03-27 03:37:22 UTC
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
Selinate wrote:
You have to understand, this apology is coming from the same person who runs an alliance that literally finds most of their fun in screwing with people. It's a LITTLE hard to take this apology at face value.

I'd still have to say that I think you should step down as chairman, Mittens. The only way that an apology from a goon can be considered heartfelt and honest is with a gesture as big as that...


He didn't just apologize he also sent the dude 10.7 bil ISK.


Ohhhh then it's perfectly ok.... jesus.... how morally bankrupt are you?

"If a miner needs to go to the bathroom, for instance, I ask that they dock up first, or at the very least ask the Supreme Protector for permission to go."  -  James 315 - aka - the miner bumper

Theodoric Darkwind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#697 - 2012-03-27 03:37:28 UTC
Jonatan Reed wrote:
Ninevite wrote:
Make the next fanfest ban speakers from drinking before their presentations. It was just awful to watch some of the talks

Props to some of the folks on the alliance panel who denied alcohol while on stage


Everything is immensely more fun with alcohol. You think you can be good at internet spaceships without alcohol?


You have clearly never met ninevite. Hes about as srs bsns as it gets (gotta give him props though, nulli secunda banned their alliance from engaging his ishkur hehe)
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#698 - 2012-03-27 03:37:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Crusader: Sir, SIR!!! You need to come with me and press charges immediately. You have been VICTIMIZED!

Confused: I have?

Crusader: Yes indeed. A few days ago that man over there was overheard by many people saying "If you want to help Confused end it all go talk to him, and take your cards".

Confused: Huh? Oh yeah. I wasn't aware he said it until he came up to me this morning and apologized for what he had said. Then he gave me a pile of money to make up for it. It confused the hell out of me, but okay... I'll take his money. See, we were playing poker a few years ago and after I lost my shirt I said "Remind me to shoot myself the next time I sit in on a poker game when I'm broke." No big deal really, I had forgotten all about it.

Crusader: Totally irrelevant. He was inciting people to cause you to commit suicide. We must take action NOW!

Confused: Uh, but I never had any intention of...

Crusader: Irrelevant! The man must pay for his crime.

Confused: But I'm fine...

Crusader: Irrelevant!!

Confused: I really think he was just jok...

Crusader: Irrelevant!!!

Confused: Who the hell are you anyway?

Crusader: Irrelevant!!!!

Confused: Could you just leave me alone now please? Your ranting is starting to draw a crowd, and you're stressing me out.

Crusader: No! Justice must be served for this crime against you.

Confused: (Muttering) Now where did I leave that gun...

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Selinate
#699 - 2012-03-27 03:37:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Selinate
Powers Sa wrote:
Selinate wrote:
You have to understand, this apology is coming from the same person who runs an alliance that literally finds most of their fun in screwing with people. It's a LITTLE hard to take this apology at face value.

I'd still have to say that I think you should step down as chairman, Mittens. The only way that an apology from a goon can be considered heartfelt and honest is with a gesture as big as that...

You are confusing our roleplaying alliance with who we are as real people.


Oh really? Look at the post from someone in your corp right above yours.

Oh, I'm sorry, that's someone from the goons empty quoting that original post from someone else in the goons. Empty quoting usually means they just want to restate what they quoted, right?

Idiots.
L00B
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#700 - 2012-03-27 03:38:09 UTC
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:


The alliance panel has always been a bit ...... comedic. I think CCP wants at least some of the panelists to be tipsy for the entertainment value. The alliance panel is more for the audience in the hall (most of whom are probably also at some level of intoxication). The serious business stuff is done during the day when people are still sober(ish)



This man speaks the truth. If you don't think CCP hasn't been encouraging this all the while, you haven't been paying attention at all. I mean, they sponsor a goddamn PUBCRAWL.

Ya'll have no one to blame but the company that has decided this is what they want to portray. So take it out on them, unsub, and go play something more family friendly so you don't get your widdle fewings hurt.