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Merivel Mar
Decore Utin Motus
#5041 - 2012-04-05 02:39:14 UTC
Apology accepted, don't step down
Red Garsk
#5042 - 2012-04-05 02:40:32 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:

Its also interesting that some people think that real life character assasination that could cost people their livelihood, relationships and more is ok, simply to get an in game result that they arnt strong enough to do in game.


If you're worried about getting smeared in real life you shouldn't step into the spotlights. If you pull all the attention to yourself you're bound to get hit by something that will damage you. The Mittani is a very talented liar but he sometimes forgets that Eve has some other intelligent people who will see through his bullshit.
Jack Parr
Kzinti Hegemony
#5043 - 2012-04-05 03:40:23 UTC
I'm betting mitani is level 30 by now in WOW. He's had a couple of days to work on his new character. I just hope he got into that sparkly vampire RP guild. I can't wait for his upcoming posts detailing how much he's having in WOW.

I just hope he comes back.

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average goon."      - The Mittani
Harry Farina
Doomheim
#5044 - 2012-04-05 04:09:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Farina
Jack Parr wrote:


I just hope he comes back.


He never really left. He leads goons with other than in game methods. One of the things he boasted about in a recent message to the goons was that he is famous for never logging on or something to that effect. I suspect that is true. The ban itself had little if any impact on his leadership but being removed from the csm surely hurt.
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#5045 - 2012-04-05 04:16:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Hammond II
Thomas Orca wrote:
Richard Aiel wrote:

Thomas Orca wrote:


I'm not seeing the part that Mittens broke.


Nor would you were it pointed out but yea


No, I see what rule you think he broke. I'm just subtly saying you're dumb.


I think he was subtly trying to say you got brown of your bee's nose

Red Garsk wrote:
Dude, I was completely cool with you until you got on Eve Radio and tried to make this issue bigger then it really is. Rambling on about how society is now going to see you as a cyber bully and how that will effect you in real life. I don't know in what kind of reality you live in but it's completely insignificant to what really happened.

You are a lair and a cheat, you deliberately said what you said at fanfest and you darn well know it. You gave an interview, pre-fanfest, where you clearly state what your intention were when your speech came up and you held true to your word.

How did you actually go from best CSM chairman to complete lamebrain ? Seriously, you were great in the CSM, you got things accomplished and you fought for the game and the content, your strategy was great and although for any company sometimes unwanted, you got the job done... And then the interview... you went a complete 180 from intellectual strategist to complete lamebrain... and it wasn't alcohol in that interview, not only that, you announced what you were going to say during fanfest and when you actually did say what you were planned to say all along, you get on Eve Radio and cry about how you meant to apologize and how you got smeared by the media and how it's going to effect your life, any sane person knows that logic is completely out of whack, if there is any, I do not see it.

You do not mean anything you said during the Eve Radio broadcast because you announced before fanfest that you wanted to call out to people to go kill themselves, that's what YOU said !!!!

You can not announce what you're going to say, then say it, then get a ton of crap and then go on radio, tell everyone you were messed up because of alcohol.... When you intended to say that crap all along.

You are a liar and a cheat, do not feed the community anymore bullcrap, please. CCP should ban you permanently.

Pre-Fanfest Video Interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=SKC00a0ovTA#t=0s


I like how the dude from massively got on an was like a dog with his tail between his legs the whole time.

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
Richard Aiel
The Merchants of War
#5046 - 2012-04-05 04:22:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Aiel
Jack Parr wrote:
I'm betting mitani is level 30 by now in WOW. He's had a couple of days to work on his new character. I just hope he got into that sparkly vampire RP guild. I can't wait for his upcoming posts detailing how much he's having in WOW.

I just hope he comes back.


Yea I wonder if he RPs as hard in other games as he does here.
Wonder if he RPs The Mittani in Starfleet Dental on Star Trek Online

Harry Farina wrote:
Jack Parr wrote:


I just hope he comes back.


He never really left. He leads goons with other than in game methods. One of the things he boasted about in a recent message to the goons was that he is famous for never logging on or something to that effect. I suspect that is true. The ban itself had little if any impact on his leadership but being removed from the csm surely hurt.


You can see THAT effect in the editor's thoughts at the end of the massively apology article

"This entire week, we've received dozens of harassing emails and tweets about how the Goonswarm believes that we (Massively) practiced poor journalism, sensationalized the entire event, and painted The Mittani in a negative light. Well, now I can say that we're officially being cyber-bullied as it is defined by Wikipedia: "the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior by an individual or group, that is intended to harm others." Those links are only a fraction of what's out there.

But don't take my word for it; let's allow The Mittani to speak for himself:

(3:34:02 AM) the_mittani: broadcast all-all Gentlegoons, I am delighted to report that Brendan Drain has edited his offending statements in his Massively coverage and apologized. He has now handled this properly, and we can stop sending glowering looks his way. No longer is my real name or the false label 'cyberbully' attached; hi5s all around. Tomorrow we will have another episode of Goonswarm Strikes Back: The Media Edition."

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/buddahcjcc/SOA-3-2.jpg
Serene Repose
#5047 - 2012-04-05 05:14:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
How being seen as a Cyber-bully will affect one in real life.... that would be relevant were it not for the fact the infraction had nothing to do with cyber-bullying or inciting to cyber-bully. Were Mitt a true leader he'd disabuse his "followers" of this notion and level with them. If he's indeed a lawyer, as has been said, he knows the infraction has to do with other things. He also knows that if it did get out, it would certainly negatively impact him in real life. He's also been told, in order to get a law degree (if this, again, can be believed) he's an officer of the court, and his behavior is under scrutiny.

Given all that, if he continues in this vein of mischaracterizing the facts of the situation, and in any way is prodding or urging his membership to conduct cyber-bullying, then his chosen profession was ill-chosen. But, he doesn't really care if his "followers" wallow in ignorance, as he leads them on about what really transpired...what lines were crossed...and he really can't claim it's all in-game role playing. So, any ostracization he recieves in real life as a result of him being himself is not only justified, it's well-deserved, and I can't believe he'd be crying about it. It is, after all, what he was after.
And, he got it.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Harry Farina
Doomheim
#5048 - 2012-04-05 05:21:56 UTC
Richard Aiel wrote:
Jack Parr wrote:
I'm betting mitani is level 30 by now in WOW. He's had a couple of days to work on his new character. I just hope he got into that sparkly vampire RP guild. I can't wait for his upcoming posts detailing how much he's having in WOW.

I just hope he comes back.


Yea I wonder if he RPs as hard in other games as he does here.
Wonder if he RPs The Mittani in Starfleet Dental on Star Trek Online

Harry Farina wrote:
Jack Parr wrote:


I just hope he comes back.


He never really left. He leads goons with other than in game methods. One of the things he boasted about in a recent message to the goons was that he is famous for never logging on or something to that effect. I suspect that is true. The ban itself had little if any impact on his leadership but being removed from the csm surely hurt.


You can see THAT effect in the editor's thoughts at the end of the massively apology article

"This entire week, we've received dozens of harassing emails and tweets about how the Goonswarm believes that we (Massively) practiced poor journalism, sensationalized the entire event, and painted The Mittani in a negative light. Well, now I can say that we're officially being cyber-bullied as it is defined by Wikipedia: "the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior by an individual or group, that is intended to harm others." Those links are only a fraction of what's out there.

But don't take my word for it; let's allow The Mittani to speak for himself:

(3:34:02 AM) the_mittani: broadcast all-all Gentlegoons, I am delighted to report that Brendan Drain has edited his offending statements in his Massively coverage and apologized. He has now handled this properly, and we can stop sending glowering looks his way. No longer is my real name or the false label 'cyberbully' attached; hi5s all around. Tomorrow we will have another episode of Goonswarm Strikes Back: The Media Edition."


And I applaud the editor at massively for not cowering down the same way Nyphur did. The Mittani has been using his brainwashed alliance to serve his will not only in game but now out of game. And seeing as how I haven't done it yet I would also like to credit the only two csm's that were outspoken about his actions; Issler Dainze and Darius III. All the other csm's tried to downplay what he did and keep him in game or were simply silent. Silence is the same as supporting him in my opinion.
Red Garsk
#5049 - 2012-04-05 07:27:41 UTC
Harry Farina wrote:

And I applaud the editor at massively for not cowering down the same way Nyphur did. The Mittani has been using his brainwashed alliance to serve his will not only in game but now out of game. And seeing as how I haven't done it yet I would also like to credit the only two csm's that were outspoken about his actions; Issler Dainze and Darius III. All the other csm's tried to downplay what he did and keep him in game or were simply silent. Silence is the same as supporting him in my opinion.


I think after the Pre-Fanfest video interview on YouTube the editor might want to change things back to the original because he changed it on false information and lies.
Harry Farina
Doomheim
#5050 - 2012-04-05 07:47:17 UTC
Lexmana
#5051 - 2012-04-05 07:58:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexmana
Khergit Deserters wrote:
The Slide is the smoking gun.

The slide was screened and cleared by CCP before the presentation and apparently did not brake the EULA/TOS so how can it be a smoking gun?
Jita Alt666
#5052 - 2012-04-05 09:21:15 UTC
Richard Aiel wrote:
Rico Minali wrote:
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:


What I hav ebeen protesting against is the people obviously using it to try and leverage ccp into banning The Mittani simply because they hate him/gsf/cfc


please read:

[quote]Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
Did you guys who want to use RP as an excuse know that CCP Rules & Policies explicitly forbid the use of RP as an excuse of acting in an offensive way, and lists doing so as bannable offense?

Quote:
3. HARASSMENT

An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player:

a. Organizes or participates in a corporation or group that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies.

Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player:

a. Is abusive, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, ethnically or racially offensive, or threatening to another player or an official EVE Online representative.
b. Uses role-playing as an excuse for violating the guidelines regarding fair play with others.
c. Sends excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions, petitions with false information or repeatedly petitions under the wrong category in an effort to circumvent the customer support queue.

Source: http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/banning.asp (emphasis mine).


immediate permanent ban
Immediate

PERMINANT

ban

If it was any of us guess which part of that would be true? It damn sure wouldnt be 30 days

Double post cause "too many quotes"


I find it amusing that your sig and this post provide a complete juxtaposition
Harry Farina
Doomheim
#5053 - 2012-04-05 10:22:11 UTC
Kalathia Eginald wrote:
Harry Farina wrote:
Kalathia Eginald wrote:
Harry Farina wrote:
The Mittani isn't treating any of us with the respect we deserve. And we are speaking up thank you very much.


Respect is earned, not deserved.


So tell me how you treat random strangers. They clearly haven't earned your respect. I mean how could they if they have never met you. Everybody new you meet is obviously disrespecting you. And what exactly is the criteria for your "respect".


I give everyone a basic level of respect, and generally people may call it good manners. That is something I give freely. However from that point on it is upto them whether the go up or down.


If only we could teach good manners to the goons. I'll leave that task up to you cause god knows I'm not up to it. Let me know how it goes. Good Luck.
Lanasak
Doomheim
#5054 - 2012-04-05 10:42:27 UTC
https://twitter.com/#!/TheMittani/status/187652419205865474

"heh"
Serene Repose
#5055 - 2012-04-05 10:47:42 UTC
Harry Farina wrote:
Kalathia Eginald wrote:
Harry Farina wrote:
Kalathia Eginald wrote:
Harry Farina wrote:
The Mittani isn't treating any of us with the respect we deserve. And we are speaking up thank you very much.


Respect is earned, not deserved.


So tell me how you treat random strangers. They clearly haven't earned your respect. I mean how could they if they have never met you. Everybody new you meet is obviously disrespecting you. And what exactly is the criteria for your "respect".


I give everyone a basic level of respect, and generally people may call it good manners. That is something I give freely. However from that point on it is upto them whether the go up or down.


If only we could teach good manners to the goons. I'll leave that task up to you cause god knows I'm not up to it. Let me know how it goes. Good Luck.

Once I tried to teach a cat to roll the toilet paper back onto the roll. Shocked

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Harry Farina
Doomheim
#5056 - 2012-04-05 11:29:16 UTC
Serene the image you put into my head is making me laugh nonstop.
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
Doomheim
#5057 - 2012-04-05 11:30:30 UTC
Bumping for lols

Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words
Ankerr Feranniss
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#5058 - 2012-04-05 11:36:07 UTC
LOL at anyone believing any apology coming from Mittani could ever be honest... of course it wasn't, you shouldn't even have needed the media campaign he ensued afterwards to understand that, but as much as there's people believing in Santa Claus (and who voted for him in the CSM) there's always going to be people believing in his good hartedness and all that :D

This whole episode is so very laughable because of other reasons too...
Fist, the very fact that Gianturco would say that he, as a person, sends his apologies while The Mittani would not... this makes it all look like he's doing RP all along, while the exact opposite is true of him and the whole fo Goonswarm.
The very own Goons culture is based upon the lack of RP, the mockery of anyone who does it, but more, the disregard of people who have a consistent behaviour in game or out of it, the stepping over boundaries, the total avoidance of common social rules.
They laugh at people who "take the game seriously" and their only rule is to crush them mercilessy by any means possible, in game and out.
In a few words, for a Goon the word "honour" and "respect" are totally meaningless both in game and out of it.
What they practice is not definable as Roleplaying, but as Metagaming.
I wonder what does it take to realize that.
Second, it's also amazingly funny how much they have built up their outrage at what the media and the GMs did to teher beloved spymaster.
As someone noted already, they're tackling this in a tremendously serious effort, for an alliance who thinks and boasts that nothing is serious.
Lol

Oh, and yes, this is an alt. I still would like to play the game, thanks. P
Richard Aiel
The Merchants of War
#5059 - 2012-04-05 13:26:09 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
Richard Aiel wrote:
Rico Minali wrote:
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:


What I hav ebeen protesting against is the people obviously using it to try and leverage ccp into banning The Mittani simply because they hate him/gsf/cfc


please read:

[quote]Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
Did you guys who want to use RP as an excuse know that CCP Rules & Policies explicitly forbid the use of RP as an excuse of acting in an offensive way, and lists doing so as bannable offense?

Quote:
3. HARASSMENT

An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player:

a. Organizes or participates in a corporation or group that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies.

Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player:

a. Is abusive, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, ethnically or racially offensive, or threatening to another player or an official EVE Online representative.
b. Uses role-playing as an excuse for violating the guidelines regarding fair play with others.
c. Sends excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions, petitions with false information or repeatedly petitions under the wrong category in an effort to circumvent the customer support queue.

Source: http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/banning.asp (emphasis mine).


immediate permanent ban
Immediate

PERMINANT

ban

If it was any of us guess which part of that would be true? It damn sure wouldnt be 30 days

Double post cause "too many quotes"


I find it amusing that your sig and this post provide a complete juxtaposition


Im sorry, I didnt know "goon" was one person

as thats the way harrassment in this game IS ALWAYS characterized BY the GOONS when the miners and those they gank bring it up

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/buddahcjcc/SOA-3-2.jpg
Richard Aiel
The Merchants of War
#5060 - 2012-04-05 15:06:41 UTC
Richard Aiel wrote:


Im sorry, I didnt know "goon" was one person

as thats the way harrassment in this game IS ALWAYS characterized BY the GOONS when the miners and those they gank bring it up


Or is this NOT the case not because its more convenient for it not to be?

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/buddahcjcc/SOA-3-2.jpg