EVE General Discussion

Dude, your an a$$hole.

I'll take his apology as sincere. I think resigning is a little extreme, though, if CCP decides to remove him from the CSM, then so be it. But the object of this seems to not be terribly bothered with anything other than more mining.

If anything then The Mittani can declare him off limits to Goon ganking and buy him some Mackinaws or something.

A lynch mob to go blow someone up... That's sorta like forming a fleet isn't it?

The "next" time this happens it should be handled based on it's own merits... just as this one has been (so far).

I very much do know something about substance abuse, having watched it tear apart many lives and having my abuse of methamphetamines drive me crazy. Let me tell you why you're a ******* ******...


"- Drank to excess so that he didn't even remember what he said"


Although the supposed blackouts (which I have never, ever had no matter how hammered I am--and I've been VERY ****** up) are a sign of abuse, forgetting one off the cuff remark you made in a night of inhibition is not something to be worried about.


"- So much in denial about his drinking issue that his first response was to tell people to **** off when he saw criticism"

Sometimes that's an entirely appropriate response. It's completely understandable that he thought people were crying about his presentation and not the remark he made after. There's some paper thin pussies that play EvE.

"- Alcoholic to the point that when he was supposed to do a presentation, the stress and fear he had from trying to be entertaining saw him get drunk to the point of complete verbal sloppiness. "

He was certainly loaded, but not as obviously as much as the TEST guy. That dude was acting the dipshit...kicking his chair around, etc... Doing something like that at a PARTY (which is what those fanfests are if you've ever even been to one) is not something to be concerned about. It's not like he was driving or operating heavy machinery...or putting on some sophisticated presentation about important issues. It was a ******* party and parties are meant to have fun. For some people that means letting lose and going ahead and getting drunk when you "shouldn't".

"- Obviously he has some deep-seated dark issues to deal with, if consuming alcohol leads his personality to want to try to bully and drive someone to commit suicide. "

Anyone that's spent the least amount of time studying the human psyche, even from a layman perspective such as myself, knows full well that group dynamics can get people to do things they might otherwise find abhorent. Is it an excuse? No. And I don't see him claiming it as such. He said something stupid at a party, and he appologized for it. He recognizes the error, how bat it was...I don't see a "deep seated, dark issue" here.

"Even with just a cursory understanding of this person, it's pretty obvious that he needs some serious counseling and substance abuse therapy. A person with these sorts of issues shouldn't be serving on the CSM, representing thousands of players. And since CCP is so loose with providing alcohol, having an abject alcoholic flying to Iceland isn't really a good venue for him to begin with."

I find that people tend to lecture others regarding things that they themselves need to work on. We see in each other that which we find most undesirable about ourselves more often than not. Perhaps it is YOU with the substance abuse problem...in fact, I would put a great deal of money betting down that you're in AA or NA. Never ceases to amaze me how much peolpe who've "recovered" from substance abuse end up trying to convert everyone into thinking they've all got the same problem. Sorry to have to be the one to bust your bubble guy, but some people can get drunk, have a great time...and not ruin their lives and health in the process.

Even moderation must be had in moderation.

You may now return to your high horse and smug attitude.

from WHAT THE MITTANI SHOULD DO

Doing a segment on tears during the Alliance Panel was a fine idea. Lots of hilarious tears to go around in this game. Lots of rage worthy of recognition. There is a line though, anonymous or not. It was in poor taste to bring attention to someone with mental instability, even if it was your sober intention to keep their identity anonymous. Mental instability holds little humour. It's just sad and sorry, personal and private. The Mittani has likely encountered enough tears in his career that he could have left this dude on the cutting room floor and went with any of ten other actually hilarious examples.

The Mittani has posted his apology. Which I accept as a member of the community.

That said, I still have a couple of problems with presentation. His drunkenness during the panel is no excuse, certainly. It obviously pushed him over that line, the spotlight of the moment, the recognition, the encouragement, wanting to please the crowd that tad more. What I find a tad disingenuous, though, is that he was very likely sober when he included the suspect slide in his presentation. So whereas he went over the line by naming the person in question at Fanfest, he did in fact, while sober, feel that mocking the Mackinaw miner (albeit with every intention to do it anonymously) was still a mighty fine and hilarious idea. If I'd been there laughing at his presentation, I'd have stopped the moment he opened up the poor gentleman's private life to ridicule and scorn. That **** ain't funny.

Unfortunately the damage has been done. People may forget about this dude. They probably won't. In essence, he's adopted a very public reputation he'd probably like to shed. Except that he cannot. Thanks to The Mittani.

What should The Mittani do to solve this problem? Offer a trade. Our CSM chairman, no doubt, has a number of alt accounts, accounts only known to himself. (He is the spymaster, after all.) He should offer to give one of those accounts to the poor, outed guy in exchange for the poor, outed guy's account. The Mittani gets the damaged account, the reputation given to it now null and void. The poor fellow can now have a new start in game, with anonymity. He no longer has to drag around with him the mistake of The Mittani.

The King of Space can throw in a couple billion ISK as well.

I do not think The Mittani needs to resign from the CSM. I quite like what he does for the community, for the game, and I think he does a good job as chairman. I would hope at future events he'll tend towards more soberness, and show more social awareness in-character and out-of-character while representing EVE Online.

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I have more to say on the Alliance Panel itself, which I think has become an embarrassment to Fanfest. It's become nothing more than one-upmanship, each panelist trying be the bigger badder meaner ass. (Michael BoltonIII wins this every year.) Going forward, breathalyzers should be given to all panelists before stepping on stage. The last useful alliance panel was 2010, I believe, EVE Vegas, with DNS Black.

CCP won't let him remain as chair for certain, the bad press this is generating and with dust coming out this year it would be a nightmare if every press question is "so you support cyber bullying?"

He said he would step down, probably just as chairman, which isnt enough to make it right. People in power never resign except for religious officials caught in sex scandals. He will cling to power in any form. Th apology is not IMO sincere in the slightest, look at what he wrote immediately following the first post. This is damage control, nothing more.

He knows that resigning completely from CSM7 is the right move, but he will not. We will see how CCP responds to this soon I think. He made this presentation in advance, I know this guy, trust me he bullies people if he thinks he can get away with it. I know first hand, having seen it myself in CSM. He excluded me from Skype shat before I ever even made an introduction post. This is how he is, and the real Mittani is the one on stage not the one apologizing in the OP.

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Darius III.... even when he tries, he can't format a post properly.

Also you people think Sony cares about what people think...... hilarious! Let me tell you about a little game called Star Wars Galaxies....