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Kallynda Nai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3381 - 2012-03-28 15:22:08 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Daviclond wrote:
Jade I'm not going to post the .gif of you here (the last time I did I got a year long forum ban) but suffice to say you probably shouldn't be throwing stones when it comes to looks!


You got a year long ban for posting a picture of me in rl and you don't think Alexander Gianturco deserves to even be punished for calling on 10,000 goons to harrass a fellow player into suicide.

Thats some pretty heady stuff you are smoking there.

Keep moving those goalposts.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#3382 - 2012-03-28 15:22:10 UTC
Cyber SGB wrote:
I didn't know who this guy was until fanfest. Sure, getting drunk and spouting off like this was inappropriate behavior. He has apologized for it and if he curbs his behavior in the future, done deal. There is no need for him to resign or do anything else that would satisfy certain people's lust for blood.

I am seeing a whole bunch of people on these forums who should be ashamed of themselves. I am very shocked to be reading people actually calling for lawyers and law enforcement to get involved. If you call his behavior wrong, how can you justify trying to ruin this person's life over such a trivial matter? It is trivial.

It is obvious to me that most of you wait for any opportunity to do harm to this guy in real life. All because of this video game.

It appears that people have gone stupid in this day and age.



If an elected politician (even a politician as insignificant as a parish councillor) did what he did, then he would be called upon to resign and might end up getting the party whip withdrawn. It just so happens that he was elected to represent a consituency larger than many politicians'.

If anyone representing a company did what he did, then he would also be called upon to resign and if he didn't he may well get the sack. It just so happens that as far as the non-Eve world is concerned he represents CCP. How does it reflect on CCP when they pay the expenses of a man who publicly calls for one of their customers to be hounded to the point of suicide?

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

ChYph3r
Omni Defense Corp.
#3383 - 2012-03-28 15:25:10 UTC
Honestly if someone is so f'd up in real life why are they playing a game?? Get off your fat arse and get some damn help!

And then if you get ganked somewhere in game definitely don't send some moron in eve the details of your RL tragedy's. If someone sent me that mail I would laugh at them for being a moron and then delete it. I have gotten my share of hate mail in my time on this character.


Much ♥ for The Mittani! It happened you dealt with it, these asshats need to quit with the hate!

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JamesCLK
#3384 - 2012-03-28 15:25:14 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:
Kallynda Nai wrote:
Sternin Mantur wrote:
You are exactly how the video shows IRL,


And exactly how much time have you spent with Mittens IRL?

Yes what sort of person is Mittens? well I guess we can only go on comments made by someone like his RL wife who posted the following comment on one of the Goon forums.

Quote:
Mittens says Jita is going to burn regardless of whether or not he successfully sticks Two Step with the chairmanship thing. (Apparently Two Step is trying to avoid it.)




If he meant there would be protests regardless of how this turns out, he's probably right... which should be highly amusing.

If he meant he was going to personally lead an effort to show just how easy it is to mess with people in Jita out of irritation at the outpouring of idiocy surrounding these events, more power to him... it's long over due.

Niether one of those reflects poorly on him in the sllightest.


Morelike it was originally supposed to be a Jita victory lap; I predict one of the following:
1. Mittens keeps the chair, people get spacemad, Jita gets scorched in a somehow more humble than before victory lap.
2. Mittens loses the chair, people still angry because he wasn't jailed, Jita gets nuked harder.
3. Mittens gets a ban, people still angry because he wasn't jailed, Jita gets hellcamped for a month.
4. Something else entirely; Jita still gets burnt to various degrees.

-- -.-- / -.-. .-.. --- -. . / .. ... / - --- --- / . -..- .--. . -. ... .. ...- . / - --- / ..- -. -.. --- -.-. -.- / ... - --- .--. / .--. .-.. . .- ... . / ... . -. -.. / .... . .-.. .--. / ... - --- .--.

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#3385 - 2012-03-28 15:25:14 UTC
ExhumeToConsume wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Jade, you're probably not doing your (and my) cause any favours with comments like that.


He can't help but reveal himself for the disgusting cyberbully he is. His disgraceful use of someone's weight as a negative slur, and his forged jabber broadcast show the depths to which he is willing to sink to promote himself above others. Clearly he has no concern for the supposed "suicidal" space victim and only sees a chance to s**t on a poor defenceless larper's real life.

I'm sure all the raging pubbies will join you in condemning this behaviour as totally hypocritical and counterproductive.


As something of a larper myself I think Alexander brings even that honourable past-time into disrepute with his recent behaviour and in his case the council of dark-elves should probably be informed.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom

Cailais
The Red Pill Taker Group
Exxitium
#3386 - 2012-03-28 15:25:59 UTC
Alex Gianturco clearly made an error of judgement by speaking in such a manner whilst inebriated.

To what extent his apology for that mistake is genuine and sincere is extremely difficult to judge not least (and there is not a little irony here) because his 'persona' is typically one of "mocking sincerity". The question then is whether he should be given the benefit of doubt?

Equally CCP will need to consider if the negative PR his actions have generated are such that to continue to allow Alex to act as a representative of both the player base and CCP Games products would be damaging. The association with another major company (SONY) will of course accrue additional embarrassment to CCP.

This unfortunate series of events is not entirely Alex Gianturco's fault, CCP allowed the presentation to occur and have encouraged and fostered its FanFest events to be seen as drunken revels and the antics of its players as somehow 'cool'.

Ultimately though Alex Gianturco accepted the kudos and esteem of being the chair of the CSM and, regardless of how relevant we may see that collection of players, he also accepted the responsibility of that position. Personally I don't doubt that Alex Gianturco is genuinely remorseful of his actions and I have some sympathy with his plight having made numerous errors of judgement whilst under the influence of too much alcohol.

That said he should now demonstrate a greater degree of moral courage by accepting his mistake and offer his resignation - a service which would offer CCP games a resolution to a difficult issue and also a service to EVE Online and its wider player base.

'The Mittani' might say he owes those who didnt vote for him nothing: what Alex Gianturco has to say on the matter will be more revealing.

C.
Lenrir Andven
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3387 - 2012-03-28 15:26:11 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Cyber SGB wrote:
I didn't know who this guy was until fanfest. Sure, getting drunk and spouting off like this was inappropriate behavior. He has apologized for it and if he curbs his behavior in the future, done deal. There is no need for him to resign or do anything else that would satisfy certain people's lust for blood.

I am seeing a whole bunch of people on these forums who should be ashamed of themselves. I am very shocked to be reading people actually calling for lawyers and law enforcement to get involved. If you call his behavior wrong, how can you justify trying to ruin this person's life over such a trivial matter? It is trivial.

It is obvious to me that most of you wait for any opportunity to do harm to this guy in real life. All because of this video game.

It appears that people have gone stupid in this day and age.



If an elected politician (even a politician as insignificant as a parish councillor) did what he did, then he would be called upon to resign and might end up getting the party whip withdrawn. It just so happens that he was elected to represent a consituency larger than many politicians'.

If anyone representing a company did what he did, then he would also be called upon to resign and if he didn't he may well get the sack. It just so happens that as far as the non-Eve world is concerned he represents CCP. How does it reflect on CCP when they pay the expenses of a man who publicly calls for one of their customers to be hounded to the point of suicide?



Quote:
If an elected politician (even a politician as insignificant as a parish councillor) did what he did, then he would be called upon to resign and might end up getting the party whip withdrawn. It just so happens that he was elected to represent a consituency larger than many politicians'.


Oh man, my sides! Do you SERIOUSLY think UK Politics work like this? (I can tell because you said whip). They usually apologise, then the story gets spun so hard that nothing of value is lost. That or they get 're-assigned' to a new post. If you still think this happens, then you citizen, have a lot more faith in politics than the majority of others.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#3388 - 2012-03-28 15:26:57 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Alexia Canada wrote:
Daviclond wrote:
I'm really happy to read the CSM's announcement Mittani will be staying! Congratulations everyone!


Where is this?


its written on the back of the security blanket he's clinging too really tightly with his liddle fingers.



Jade, you're probably not doing your (and my) cause any favours with comments like that.


I should point out I wasn't referring to Alexander Gianturco here, but was gently mocking Daviclond (in case anyone was in any doubt.)


And what about the other insults you've been hurling around?

Here's a piece of advice - it doesn't make you look good when complain about somebody's insulting behaviour and then proceed to insult them yourself.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#3389 - 2012-03-28 15:32:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Cailais wrote:
Alex Gianturco clearly made an error of judgement by speaking in such a manner whilst inebriated.

To what extent his apology for that mistake is genuine and sincere is extremely difficult to judge not least (and there is not a little irony here) because his 'persona' is typically one of "mocking sincerity". The question then is whether he should be given the benefit of doubt?

Equally CCP will need to consider if the negative PR his actions have generated are such that to continue to allow Alex to act as a representative of both the player base and CCP Games products would be damaging. The association with another major company (SONY) will of course accrue additional embarrassment to CCP.

This unfortunate series of events is not entirely Alex Gianturco's fault, CCP allowed the presentation to occur and have encouraged and fostered its FanFest events to be seen as drunken revels and the antics of its players as somehow 'cool'.

Ultimately though Alex Gianturco accepted the kudos and esteem of being the chair of the CSM and, regardless of how relevant we may see that collection of players, he also accepted the responsibility of that position. Personally I don't doubt that Alex Gianturco is genuinely remorseful of his actions and I have some sympathy with his plight having made numerous errors of judgement whilst under the influence of too much alcohol.

That said he should now demonstrate a greater degree of moral courage by accepting his mistake and offer his resignation - a service which would offer CCP games a resolution to a difficult issue and also a service to EVE Online and its wider player base.

'The Mittani' might say he owes those who didnt vote for him nothing: what Alex Gianturco has to say on the matter will be more revealing.

C.


Apparently he has already tried resigning the chair position, but is having trouble finding anyone worth a damn willing to take it from him under the circumstances.

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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#3390 - 2012-03-28 15:33:07 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
And what about the other insults you've been hurling around?Here's a piece of advice - it doesn't make you look good when complain about somebody's insulting behaviour and then proceed to insult them yourself.


I'm not calling for Alexander Gianturco's resignation as CSM chair for him hurling a few insults about. He's been doing that quite happily through his first term after all. I am calling for his resignation because he used the stage at fanfest as a bully-pulpit to call for the organized harrassment towards suicide of an eve player while serving as chair of the CSM.

I realize you can't resist trying to score some sideswipes Rodj but I consider this is a grown up game and we can engage in the hurley-burley of forum debate without our nannies like you complaining about rough language being used. You'll notice i'm not in the habit of running for the mods when I'm debating issues.

But this isn't an issue about me and its not an issue about you.

Try and keep up.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#3391 - 2012-03-28 15:35:17 UTC
Lenrir Andven wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Cyber SGB wrote:
I didn't know who this guy was until fanfest. Sure, getting drunk and spouting off like this was inappropriate behavior. He has apologized for it and if he curbs his behavior in the future, done deal. There is no need for him to resign or do anything else that would satisfy certain people's lust for blood.

I am seeing a whole bunch of people on these forums who should be ashamed of themselves. I am very shocked to be reading people actually calling for lawyers and law enforcement to get involved. If you call his behavior wrong, how can you justify trying to ruin this person's life over such a trivial matter? It is trivial.

It is obvious to me that most of you wait for any opportunity to do harm to this guy in real life. All because of this video game.

It appears that people have gone stupid in this day and age.



If an elected politician (even a politician as insignificant as a parish councillor) did what he did, then he would be called upon to resign and might end up getting the party whip withdrawn. It just so happens that he was elected to represent a consituency larger than many politicians'.

If anyone representing a company did what he did, then he would also be called upon to resign and if he didn't he may well get the sack. It just so happens that as far as the non-Eve world is concerned he represents CCP. How does it reflect on CCP when they pay the expenses of a man who publicly calls for one of their customers to be hounded to the point of suicide?



Quote:
If an elected politician (even a politician as insignificant as a parish councillor) did what he did, then he would be called upon to resign and might end up getting the party whip withdrawn. It just so happens that he was elected to represent a consituency larger than many politicians'.


Oh man, my sides! Do you SERIOUSLY think UK Politics work like this? (I can tell because you said whip). They usually apologise, then the story gets spun so hard that nothing of value is lost. That or they get 're-assigned' to a new post. If you still think this happens, then you citizen, have a lot more faith in politics than the majority of others.


On the contrary, British politicians have had to resign from the Cabinet or Shadow Cabinet in the past because they were only accused of wrong-doing. Recent examples include Iain Duncan Smith, Chris Huhne and Peter Mandelson.

Charles Kennedy even had to resign as Lib Dem leader because he liked the odd drink!

It's true that they often return at a later date, but that's normally after a subsequent election. I'd be quite happy to see Mittens return to the CSM if the electorate demands it next time.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

ExhumeToConsume
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3392 - 2012-03-28 15:40:01 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
On the contrary, British politicians have had to resign from the Cabinet or Shadow Cabinet in the past because they were only accused of wrong-doing. Recent examples include Iain Duncan Smith, Chris Huhne and Peter Mandelson.

Charles Kennedy even had to resign as Lib Dem leader because he liked the odd drink!

It's true that they often return at a later date, but that's normally after a subsequent election. I'd be quite happy to see Mittens return to the CSM if the electorate demands it next time.


Excellent, so he can resign now and return on April the 4th via his new (and extended) mandate
Lenrir Andven
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3393 - 2012-03-28 15:41:26 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Lenrir Andven wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Cyber SGB wrote:
I didn't know who this guy was until fanfest. Sure, getting drunk and spouting off like this was inappropriate behavior. He has apologized for it and if he curbs his behavior in the future, done deal. There is no need for him to resign or do anything else that would satisfy certain people's lust for blood.

I am seeing a whole bunch of people on these forums who should be ashamed of themselves. I am very shocked to be reading people actually calling for lawyers and law enforcement to get involved. If you call his behavior wrong, how can you justify trying to ruin this person's life over such a trivial matter? It is trivial.

It is obvious to me that most of you wait for any opportunity to do harm to this guy in real life. All because of this video game.

It appears that people have gone stupid in this day and age.



If an elected politician (even a politician as insignificant as a parish councillor) did what he did, then he would be called upon to resign and might end up getting the party whip withdrawn. It just so happens that he was elected to represent a consituency larger than many politicians'.

If anyone representing a company did what he did, then he would also be called upon to resign and if he didn't he may well get the sack. It just so happens that as far as the non-Eve world is concerned he represents CCP. How does it reflect on CCP when they pay the expenses of a man who publicly calls for one of their customers to be hounded to the point of suicide?



Quote:
If an elected politician (even a politician as insignificant as a parish councillor) did what he did, then he would be called upon to resign and might end up getting the party whip withdrawn. It just so happens that he was elected to represent a consituency larger than many politicians'.


Oh man, my sides! Do you SERIOUSLY think UK Politics work like this? (I can tell because you said whip). They usually apologise, then the story gets spun so hard that nothing of value is lost. That or they get 're-assigned' to a new post. If you still think this happens, then you citizen, have a lot more faith in politics than the majority of others.


On the contrary, British politicians have had to resign from the Cabinet or Shadow Cabinet in the past because they were only accused of wrong-doing. Recent examples include Iain Duncan Smith, Chris Huhne and Peter Mandelson.

Charles Kennedy even had to resign as Lib Dem leader because he liked the odd drink!

It's true that they often return at a later date, but that's normally after a subsequent election. I'd be quite happy to see Mittens return to the CSM if the electorate demands it next time.



Generally they are not the main villians though (though Peter Mandelson was a complete moron, was glad to see the back of him.)

I mean all you have to look at is the current 'New of the world' scandal. Yes Andy Coulson resigned but it is heading towards a total whitewash, wouldn't be surprised if, one or two years, he is back in the fore-front again.
de4deye
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3394 - 2012-03-28 15:41:35 UTC
Just give him the banhammer an be done with it so there is no more fuss Big smile
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#3395 - 2012-03-28 15:43:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Princess Bride
Most hilarious part of The Mittani's apology: Where he claims he's a roleplayer.

Quote:
It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance.


So he's a roleplayer now? And not only in game, but he's roleplaying on the forums too? Oh wait and Twitter as well. ROFL! Anyone who has seen him and other goons continuously mock roleplayers in general snorted milk out their nose when they read that part. Even if they weren't drinking milk at the time.

Can anyone name other Eve players who also roleplay on Twitter?

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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#3396 - 2012-03-28 15:46:09 UTC
ExhumeToConsume wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
On the contrary, British politicians have had to resign from the Cabinet or Shadow Cabinet in the past because they were only accused of wrong-doing. Recent examples include Iain Duncan Smith, Chris Huhne and Peter Mandelson.

Charles Kennedy even had to resign as Lib Dem leader because he liked the odd drink!

It's true that they often return at a later date, but that's normally after a subsequent election. I'd be quite happy to see Mittens return to the CSM if the electorate demands it next time.


Excellent, so he can resign now and return on April the 4th via his new (and extended) mandate


Except that we're now in the post-election period.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#3397 - 2012-03-28 15:46:51 UTC
Apparently Mittani doesn't think it's a big deal, and CCP doesn't care either. So there's nothing stopping anyone from rallying thousands to try and make Mittani kill himself. The important thing is that you just try to get him to kill himself, it's only bad if he actually does kill himself, so you want to stop short of that.

You goons were right all along. We were overreacting. That sort of thing is the coolest, and completely victimless. I understand that now.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#3398 - 2012-03-28 15:46:56 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
And what about the other insults you've been hurling around?Here's a piece of advice - it doesn't make you look good when complain about somebody's insulting behaviour and then proceed to insult them yourself.


I'm not calling for Alexander Gianturco's resignation as CSM chair for him hurling a few insults about. He's been doing that quite happily through his first term after all. I am calling for his resignation because he used the stage at fanfest as a bully-pulpit to call for the organized harrassment towards suicide of an eve player while serving as chair of the CSM.

I realize you can't resist trying to score some sideswipes Rodj but I consider this is a grown up game and we can engage in the hurley-burley of forum debate without our nannies like you complaining about rough language being used. You'll notice i'm not in the habit of running for the mods when I'm debating issues.

But this isn't an issue about me and its not an issue about you.

Try and keep up.




I'm going to have to remind you that all of this only holds water if you believe that his statement was a serious request to drive a man to suicide, instead of a bad drunken joke (in the same vein as the entire presentation that came before) about giving an idiot a hard time.

If we went back over all of the statements and posts that you have made through the years and picked out all of the quips, jabs and amusing insults that we would find there... and spun them out of context to appear as if you were deadly serious in stating them... I don't think you'd like how you ended up looking.

Something for you to consider, lest the camera ever catch you inadvertantly letting slip with something that could be twisted to make you look like a psycho. I'm pretty sure you know just how easily that can happen.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3399 - 2012-03-28 15:47:18 UTC
The irony of all this is the people who are outraged by this are being even bigger bullies than the comment mittens made ever was.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#3400 - 2012-03-28 15:49:26 UTC
Lenrir Andven wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Lenrir Andven wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:


If an elected politician (even a politician as insignificant as a parish councillor) did what he did, then he would be called upon to resign and might end up getting the party whip withdrawn. It just so happens that he was elected to represent a consituency larger than many politicians'.

If anyone representing a company did what he did, then he would also be called upon to resign and if he didn't he may well get the sack. It just so happens that as far as the non-Eve world is concerned he represents CCP. How does it reflect on CCP when they pay the expenses of a man who publicly calls for one of their customers to be hounded to the point of suicide?



Quote:
If an elected politician (even a politician as insignificant as a parish councillor) did what he did, then he would be called upon to resign and might end up getting the party whip withdrawn. It just so happens that he was elected to represent a consituency larger than many politicians'.


Oh man, my sides! Do you SERIOUSLY think UK Politics work like this? (I can tell because you said whip). They usually apologise, then the story gets spun so hard that nothing of value is lost. That or they get 're-assigned' to a new post. If you still think this happens, then you citizen, have a lot more faith in politics than the majority of others.


On the contrary, British politicians have had to resign from the Cabinet or Shadow Cabinet in the past because they were only accused of wrong-doing. Recent examples include Iain Duncan Smith, Chris Huhne and Peter Mandelson.

Charles Kennedy even had to resign as Lib Dem leader because he liked the odd drink!

It's true that they often return at a later date, but that's normally after a subsequent election. I'd be quite happy to see Mittens return to the CSM if the electorate demands it next time.



Generally they are not the main villians though (though Peter Mandelson was a complete moron, was glad to see the back of him.)

I mean all you have to look at is the current 'New of the world' scandal. Yes Andy Coulson resigned but it is heading towards a total whitewash, wouldn't be surprised if, one or two years, he is back in the fore-front again.


Other prominent resigners in that scandal include Rebekah Brooks and James Murdoch (from one of his jobs). I'm sure that Ol' Rupe will see them alright, but they still lost their jobs because of alleged wrong-doing.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori