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Derrick Munroe
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2361 - 2012-03-27 21:12:08 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
2. Ban Alex and all his accounts sending a clear message that CCP does not tolerate cyber bullying with the intent to have someone kill themselves in real life.


...While simultaneously sending a message to over 10,000 paying subscribers that their vote is irrelevant and that they don't get a say in this year's CSM. What Mittens did was wrong, but he's apologized and the "victim" of the events is cool with the entire situation. While option 1 you listed would be a PR nightmare, option 2 is not going to be a particularly good outcome for CCP either.

Also, gonna go against what most people seem to think and say that I don't think any speakers should be allowed to be drunk while giving a presentation at any panel. Spirit of Fanfest be damned, you can get drunk on the pub crawl after.

What's it like, not owning any tech moons?
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2362 - 2012-03-27 21:12:14 UTC
Magnus Orin wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
Andrea Roche wrote:
wow goon PR machine is in full swing Shocked



Yes they the Goons have decided they are PRO Cyber bullying, and pro driving people to suicide through harassment.

Its really very disturbing they are defending it. You should have seen some of the posts they made before they were purged by mods.


Calling what The Mittani did 'cyber-bullying' trivializes real cyber-bullying.

You are the scum of the internet.



No it was a clear as day version of cyber bullying.

Moving along.

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esc shk
Okay Sax
#2363 - 2012-03-27 21:12:26 UTC
de4deye wrote:
ABLOO BLOO BLOO Sad


-everyone
GallowsCalibrator
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2364 - 2012-03-27 21:12:32 UTC
Kalathia Eginald wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
You mean wait a few days and see if the recent events is still a PR nightmare for CCP and all associated entities like the CSM? Because that is what you just said.

Mittani/Alex created a situation that leaves only two options for CCP:

1. Don't ban Alex and all his accounts thus sending the message to all players and the gaming community that CCP supports cyber bullying with the goal to get another player to kill themselves in real life.

2. Ban Alex and all his accounts sending a clear message that CCP does not tolerate cyber bullying with the intent to have someone kill themselves in real life.

That is the situation he created for himself and CCP. No one else did this. He has only himself to blame.

Everyone no matter what your angle is knows damn well that if it was some ordinary player who did this he would be in perma-ban hell right now. Why should Mittani receive this special treatment? Does being on the CSM now or the next term mean they are not held to the EULA like the rest of the players?


Discussion after a cool down is better than a knee jerk reaction. Knee jerk reactions tend to be the worst mistakes. Much the same about knee jerk laws and changes to game rules.

1 and 2 both. If he has broken any rules then he should be sanctioned, if he has not then he should not e that is the simple fact of the matter.

I have read through the EULA and in my opinion it does not apply here. However we have no idea what people who are CSM and people as speakers at the event have to sign upto. Those are what will be used to decide if he is to be sanctioned, not yours, mine or anyone elese opinions on whether he broke the rules or not.


Quoting this because someone gets 'not black and white don't kneejerk'.
de4deye
Terra Nova Innovations
Sedition.
#2365 - 2012-03-27 21:12:33 UTC
Ice Fist wrote:
esc shk wrote:
de4deye wrote:
Time to go, Mittens.



Hows replacing those titans going son?


Not well. Not enough faction gyrostabs on the market.

Admittedely, that was a horrible fitting. The standard is now 3x Gyros on a Bus.
xXv1c10usXx
Alchemy Corp
#2366 - 2012-03-27 21:12:37 UTC
Agreed on your agreement. All these ******* liberal retards taking up a cause for someone who gives 2 ***** about the deal and making themselves feel important because they have a hole to drop all their spurg in to.

xXv1c10usXx wrote:
xXv1c10usXx wrote:
xXv1c10usXx wrote:
You know what. All this pubbie B*** S*** is entirely too funny. You complain and gripe about an aspect of the game that is prevalent and real in the arena of play. If such an environment did not exist, then Empire space would be completely safe, no pirates would exist and no conflict would exist in game. Guess what, even the presentations were a reflection of the gaming community, NOT the players real life, even though real people were present.

GET OVER YOURSELF already. Holy Sh!7!!!! Crawl back in to your hole and go play ANGRY BIRDS and take your frustrations on on something where no-one loses except you and your whiny ass, disillusioned pansies that you associate with.

IF, I was offended, the dude apologized. so STFU and move on. I thought is was funny as hell myself. I know all your friends IRL don't need any enemies with folks like you around.


Quoting self to add to the irrelevant fray.



And again since so much other irrelevant posting is underway.
Ice Fist
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2367 - 2012-03-27 21:12:55 UTC
de4deye wrote:
ABLOO BLOO BLOO Sad


Stolen goon meme. You're drooping pretty low there.
xXv1c10usXx
Alchemy Corp
#2368 - 2012-03-27 21:13:21 UTC
esc shk wrote:
de4deye wrote:
ABLOO BLOO BLOO Sad


-everyone


ABLAH BLAH BLAH
esc shk
Okay Sax
#2369 - 2012-03-27 21:14:06 UTC
i don't even, i can't begin to

like

its

someone help me i dont know where to start
esc shk
Okay Sax
#2370 - 2012-03-27 21:14:17 UTC
i am at a loss for words
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#2371 - 2012-03-27 21:14:20 UTC
Derrick Munroe wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Everyone realizes that the presentation was made days, if not weeks prior to the event? This was not an off the cuff remark made while drunk, it was premeditated.


So why is CCP not at fault for allowing the slide to be presented in the first place?


Good point. CCP is now going to have to vet every presentation. My guess is before they thought there would be no need.

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Ice Fist
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2372 - 2012-03-27 21:14:28 UTC
de4deye wrote:
Ice Fist wrote:
esc shk wrote:
de4deye wrote:
Time to go, Mittens.



Hows replacing those titans going son?


Not well. Not enough faction gyrostabs on the market.

Admittedely, that was a horrible fitting. The standard is now 3x Gyros on a Bus.


Glad to hear you're upgrading.
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2373 - 2012-03-27 21:15:23 UTC
Derrick Munroe wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Everyone realizes that the presentation was made days, if not weeks prior to the event? This was not an off the cuff remark made while drunk, it was premeditated.


So why is CCP not at fault for allowing the slide to be presented in the first place?


I asked this exact same thing, then got heart attack posted and hurfblurfed to the point that no one even cared about what I posted.

In the end, it's CCP's fault for being total failures in moderating and reviewing the slides. Just because he was allowed to be drunk and say something stupid shouldn't condemn his CSM position.

CSM has nothing to do with this anyway, and people using it against Mittani are stupid and irrelevant people that should probably kill themselves, and I ask all the Goons, TEST and the rest of CFC to actively get these people to kill themselves.

See what I just did thar? I'll probably be banned now for making this post, but at this point I could care less, because Mittani deserves to stay as CSM chair, screw the white-knights, I hope they all cut/hang themselves.

So how about Sean Payton not apologizing for the bounty-gate?
Derrick Munroe
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2374 - 2012-03-27 21:16:21 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Derrick Munroe wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Everyone realizes that the presentation was made days, if not weeks prior to the event? This was not an off the cuff remark made while drunk, it was premeditated.


So why is CCP not at fault for allowing the slide to be presented in the first place?


Good point. CCP is now going to have to vet every presentation. My guess is before they thought there would be no need.


I was under the impression they already did this... What?

What's it like, not owning any tech moons?
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#2375 - 2012-03-27 21:17:32 UTC
Derrick Munroe wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Derrick Munroe wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Everyone realizes that the presentation was made days, if not weeks prior to the event? This was not an off the cuff remark made while drunk, it was premeditated.


So why is CCP not at fault for allowing the slide to be presented in the first place?


Good point. CCP is now going to have to vet every presentation. My guess is before they thought there would be no need.


I was under the impression they already did this... What?

Maybe CCP didn't know what Mittani was going to say to that slide page?

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Lt Pizi
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2376 - 2012-03-27 21:18:18 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
Kallynda Nai wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
Doddy wrote:
All this has happened before, it will happen again.



Unless you make an example.

If he doesnt step down CCP needs to take action.


BoB was the example.


Of cyber bullying and potential death?

How so?


goons have a history mocking a dead bob player

Goon Tears are best tears, because they're 25% alcohol by volume!
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2377 - 2012-03-27 21:18:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Snow Axe
Derrick Munroe wrote:
I was under the impression they already did this... What?


If they did, they sure as hell weren't looking closely at it, since that slide in the first place was pretty much the textbook definition of "ill-advised".

NightmareX wrote:
Maybe CCP didn't know what Mittani was going to say to that slide page?


Kind of irrelevant since the part everyone is feigning outrage about was during the Q&A afterwards, not the actual presentation.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#2378 - 2012-03-27 21:22:21 UTC
Magnus Orin wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
Andrea Roche wrote:
wow goon PR machine is in full swing Shocked



Yes they the Goons have decided they are PRO Cyber bullying, and pro driving people to suicide through harassment.

Its really very disturbing they are defending it. You should have seen some of the posts they made before they were purged by mods.


Calling what The Mittani did 'cyber-bullying' trivializes real cyber-bullying.

You are the scum of the internet.



I hate to say it, but this... exactly this.

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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2379 - 2012-03-27 21:23:07 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Derrick Munroe wrote:
I was under the impression they already did this... What?


If they did, they sure as hell weren't looking closely at it, since that slide in the first place was pretty much the textbook definition of "ill-advised".

NightmareX wrote:
Maybe CCP didn't know what Mittani was going to say to that slide page?


Kind of irrelevant since the part everyone is feigning outrage about was during the Q&A afterwards, not the actual presentation.


They said in statement that it was always supposed to be open forum and the public presenters were expected to keep the posts to within the areas of proper conduct. As such, they were not reviewed. CCP has had dealing with the Goons/test people before, and am sure they were not expecting the comments that did come out.

On another note, I am lazy so a copy/paste from my statement in the voting thread:

I wrote:
Posted a bit ago, but never saw it mentioned, going to put up the following:

Seleene‏@Seleene_EVEReply
Retweet

Favorite
· Open

OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days. #tweetfleet #EveOnline #csm7 #csm6


Retweeted by The Mittani

So calls for resignations, the mongering, etc won't cause anything else. Maybe time for us to all Kumbaya and let what needs to be done, get done and not cause problems for CCP or negative press for eve.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#2380 - 2012-03-27 21:24:21 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
Magnus Orin wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
Andrea Roche wrote:
wow goon PR machine is in full swing Shocked



Yes they the Goons have decided they are PRO Cyber bullying, and pro driving people to suicide through harassment.

Its really very disturbing they are defending it. You should have seen some of the posts they made before they were purged by mods.


Calling what The Mittani did 'cyber-bullying' trivializes real cyber-bullying.

You are the scum of the internet.



No it was a clear as day version of cyber bullying.

Moving along.


Funny, thats not what the supposed victim says.

Moving along.

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