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Kallynda Nai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2301 - 2012-03-27 20:45:53 UTC
Luba Cibre wrote:
Opsec cfc leak:
http://oi40.tinypic.com/acftpw.jpg


Dat fuckin' banner.
Ilse bar
Deep Hole Mining Inc
#2302 - 2012-03-27 20:46:04 UTC
I surely hope u do step down and just delete your toons and stop subbing as you are a real piece of @#$$. But im sure CCP will do nothing and your will go on to represent the eve player base. Which by my standards is good it will keep alot more people out of eve. Hopefully in time they will cut more staff and shut the game down and you can find another corner of the internet to be a A-Hole in. Whats is wrong is you should of had your account banned by friday imo
Doddy
Excidium.
#2303 - 2012-03-27 20:48:52 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
Kallynda Nai wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
Doddy wrote:
All this has happened before, it will happen again.



Unless you make an example.

If he doesnt step down CCP needs to take action.


BoB was the example.


Of cyber bullying and potential death?

How so?


I think you need to look up the great war.
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#2304 - 2012-03-27 20:49:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Princess Bride
Ice Fist wrote:
Eugene Spencer wrote:
I don't really care about in-game politics or bashing someone because they are the leader of a larger alliance.

But I do think he is an utter disgrace and unfit to represent the EVE community. People can use the excuse "he was drunk, people do silly things when they are drunk". Agreed, but you take responsibility when you're sober.

Resign.


You know a couple years ago the CSM was a total joke that nobody cared about. But now that Mittens has turned it into something awesome, the whole landscape has changed. Look at all the people who take this so serious, so e-honorish seriously. We have internet legal opinions flying around from people who most likely have no damn clue what they're talking about (Princess Bride ), we have other CSM members JUST ITCHING to take advantage of the downfall of the man who made them powerful (Darius III), and then a brothel runner who thinks that because Goons are defending their leader's position on the CSM that we all must be a religous cult, lacking individual thought processes (Jade Constantine)

Now that there is something worth fighting over, everone is here to cash their checks.


When the hammer falls, and you are pulling your hair and gnashing your teeth and scream WHY??!? you can come back to my posts that you say "likely have no damn clue" and figure out what happened from there. Alex really HAS put CCP in an awkward position legally and they have no choice but to act. You'll know what I'm talking about soon enough. (Okay that may be too much to hope for, but you will at least have an inkling that I was right.)

For me the best parts of this thread are the goons burying their beloved leader, one shovelful of hate at a time. By expressing so eloquently that most of the goons really don't "get it", you have helped make action by CCP in order to set an example almost 100% guaranteed. Yeah I know, this is baffling and angers you greatly. That part is fun too, I admit.

Also, I find the campaign myth that The Mittani started about him being the most effective CSM hilarious. What I remember is he went to Iceland, full of promises of how his extraordinary real life political know-how (somehow proven in a game setting) was going to ensure full CCP compliance with the goon agenda. His return from Iceland was followed by the WORST Eve expansion ever and massive protests were undertaken. These protests, and much more importantly the massive un-subs, prompted CCP to reverse itself. The Mittani and the rest of the CSM were flown to Iceland again to be coddled by CCP and given a modicum of credit for the changes CCP was forced to make as a purely business decision. He/they returned "victorious" from a battle that was won before they even left the ground in their plane.

Did I miss something?

http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/
Bill Banner
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2305 - 2012-03-27 20:49:24 UTC
Ice Fist wrote:


There are exceptions of course. But they are few and far between from the people who actually stand to gain something.

Sticks and stones. I don't really think I, or anybody else in my organization care what you think about us in game. In fact, I find a great deal of comedy in all the hate being generated.


Not hate, indifference. The kid will get what's coming, it's taken on a life of its own now.
Prince Kobol
#2306 - 2012-03-27 20:49:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Yeep wrote:
Kara Roideater wrote:
Yeep wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Goons complaining about this being political, Goons complaining about hate and verbal abuse.. some top quality posting


Using the death (real or potential) of an actual human being as political capital in an internet spaceships game was disgusting when BoB did it in 2005 and its disgusting to see people doing it now.


Indeed! More disgusting than creating the situation involving that (real or potential) death.

C'mon dude. Listen to yourself. You're on here arguing that the guy who created this situation should just get a slap on the wrist and then calling the people criticising the actions that could have led to said death 'disgusting'. Don't you see something of an imbalance there or does tribalism overcome all genuine considerations in cases like this? And if it does, then not only are you defending the guy but you are also using exactly the same material as 'political capital' in attacking your opponents (albeit at one remove).


And you're doing it 3 times removed to invalidate my point. I guess we're all terrible people. You don't see me defending The Mittani's actions this week or Tetsujin's actions 6 years ago because I don't agree with them but neither am I pretending to be more appauled than I really am for personal gain.

Not to mention the fact that The Mittani has accepted what he did was wrong and apologised. What are the chances anyone else in this thread will do that?


No you are not defending the Mittani's actions, however you trying to claim that its fine to post personal attack using any and all subject matter as we are "Your Peers" all of a sudden and not those "death to all pubbies" but when it comes back at you its no longer cool.

As I said it your fellow goon friend, how you can be surprised when people treat you the same as you treat them?

As for the The Mittani apologising, do you seriously think that most people were going to believe him?

Here is a guy who has made a name for himself as a lying, cheating, pubbie hating bastard and all of a sudden people should believe him, let alone the fact that we have had goons actually come on the forums and post how in a couple of days they are all going to be laughing at everybody on your forums about how we all got trolled.
Eidric
Private Shelter for Mad People
#2307 - 2012-03-27 20:49:52 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
Eidric wrote:
I think my post will get buried fast in this avalanche but here are my 2 cents:

- Did i vote for him - No

- Did he screw up during alliance panel - Yes

- Does he need to somehow fix his mistakes - Yes

- Does he need to leave the chairman position - No


Frankly leaving CSM he would undermine the trust of thousand of people voting for him. Get him apologize to The Wis - in such a way so Wis would actually post on forums and says all is forgiven. But do not let him leave CSM.

While i do not condone many of his policies i am perfectly fine with him as chairman.

Most of the people yelling "Resign!" say it not because they think this would somehow make situation resolve itself. They yell it because it fits their own needs. They care about "The Wis" as much as general public does if not less. Because for them "The Wis" is not a person its a tool to get Mittani off the CSM.


- Does his apology somehow fix his mistakes? - No



Then propose a way to fix the mistake - Resigning wont fix it either
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2308 - 2012-03-27 20:50:39 UTC
Doddy wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
Kallynda Nai wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
Doddy wrote:
All this has happened before, it will happen again.



Unless you make an example.

If he doesnt step down CCP needs to take action.


BoB was the example.


Of cyber bullying and potential death?

How so?


I think you need to look up the great war.



So you got nothing clear cut as the Alex/mittani saying "LYNCH this one guy HURF DERF?"

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **
esc shk
Okay Sax
#2309 - 2012-03-27 20:51:26 UTC
Bill Banner wrote:
Ice Fist wrote:


There are exceptions of course. But they are few and far between from the people who actually stand to gain something.

Sticks and stones. I don't really think I, or anybody else in my organization care what you think about us in game. In fact, I find a great deal of comedy in all the hate being generated.


Not hate, indifference. The kid will get what's coming, it's taken on a life of its own now.


The kid who's retired and living a happy life having been a DC lawyer for years? HOKAY!
L00B
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2310 - 2012-03-27 20:51:38 UTC
Bill Banner wrote:


Not me - I'm not pushing any personal agenda; I just think he exhibited some poor behavior, and as a result should step down or be removed.

By extension, his actions reflect those of his supporters as well - thus marginalizing the entire organization as a collection of recalcitrant twits.



Not pushing a personal agenda - OH WAIT I CAN'T RESIST HERE'S MY OPINION ANYWAY.

Way to undo the first statement with the second there. You're a paragon of logic there, skippy.
Kallynda Nai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2311 - 2012-03-27 20:52:01 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
So you got nothing clear cut as the Alex/mittani saying "LYNCH this one guy HURF DERF?"


He just told you.... go look it up.
esc shk
Okay Sax
#2312 - 2012-03-27 20:52:32 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:

So you got nothing clear cut as the Alex/mittani saying "LYNCH this one guy HURF DERF?"



BoB killed RoyOfCA. I don't see anyone sperging about that
Ice Fist
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2313 - 2012-03-27 20:52:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Ice Fist
Princess Bride wrote:
Ice Fist wrote:
Eugene Spencer wrote:
I don't really care about in-game politics or bashing someone because they are the leader of a larger alliance.

But I do think he is an utter disgrace and unfit to represent the EVE community. People can use the excuse "he was drunk, people do silly things when they are drunk". Agreed, but you take responsibility when you're sober.

Resign.


You know a couple years ago the CSM was a total joke that nobody cared about. But now that Mittens has turned it into something awesome, the whole landscape has changed. Look at all the people who take this so serious, so e-honorish seriously. We have internet legal opinions flying around from people who most likely have no damn clue what they're talking about (Princess Bride ), we have other CSM members JUST ITCHING to take advantage of the downfall of the man who made them powerful (Darius III), and then a brothel runner who thinks that because Goons are defending their leader's position on the CSM that we all must be a religous cult, lacking individual thought processes (Jade Constantine)

Now that there is something worth fighting over, everone is here to cash their checks.


When the hammer falls, and you are pulling your hair and gnashing your teeth and scream WHY??!? you can come back to my posts that you say "likely have no damn clue" and figure out what happened from there. Alex really HAS put CCP in an awkward position legally and they have no choice but to act. You'll know what I'm talking about soon enough. (Okay that may be too much to hope for, but you will at least have an inkling that I was right.)

For me the best parts of this thread are the goons burying their beloved leader, one shovelful of hate at a time. By expressing so eloquently that most of the goons really don't "get it", you have helped make action by CCP in order to set an example almost 100% guaranteed. Yeah I know, this is baffling and angers you greatly. That part is fun too, I admit.

Also, I find it laughable that this myth that The Mittani made the CSM not a "total joke" anymore hilarious. What I remember is he went to Iceland, full of promises of how his extraordinary real life political know-how (somehow proven in a game setting) was going to ensure full CCP compliance with the goon agenda. His return from Iceland was followed by the WORST Eve expansion ever and massive protests were undertaken. These protests, and much more importantly the massive un-subs, prompted CCP to reverse itself. The Mittani and the rest of the CSM were flown to Iceland again to be coddled by CCP and given a modicum of credit for the changes CCP was forced to make as a purely business decision. He/they returned "victorious" from a battle that was won before they even left the ground in their plane.

Did I miss something?



I've already stated multiple times that I'm expecting him to step down. You are really picky about what posts you do and do not read. That's ok, I forgive you. You also are a classic example of "Believeing what you want to believe while ignoring facts." I forgive you for that too.
Eugene Spencer
Set Phasers To Malky
#2314 - 2012-03-27 20:53:15 UTC
Guys, I have a specific comb for my beard.

I have a specific comb for my beard.
Derrick Munroe
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2315 - 2012-03-27 20:53:20 UTC
Luba Cibre wrote:
Opsec cfc leak:
http://oi40.tinypic.com/acftpw.jpg


Oh no! Not the banner of our publicly available forums! What shall we do?! :psyduck:

Next you'll be telling me that CCP's TOS applies to TEST's private website.

What's it like, not owning any tech moons?
esc shk
Okay Sax
#2316 - 2012-03-27 20:54:12 UTC
Eugene Spencer wrote:
Guys, I have a specific comb for my beard.


I like you. Would you like to join my space guild?
Ice Fist
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2317 - 2012-03-27 20:54:38 UTC
Derrick Munroe wrote:
Luba Cibre wrote:
Opsec cfc leak:
http://oi40.tinypic.com/acftpw.jpg


Oh no! Not the banner of our publicly available forums! What shall we do?! :psyduck:

Next you'll be telling me that CCP's TOS applies to TEST's private website.


Don't worry, we have Princess bride here to let you know what's what. He/She/It is a really good attorney.
Eugene Spencer
Set Phasers To Malky
#2318 - 2012-03-27 20:54:46 UTC
esc shk wrote:
Eugene Spencer wrote:
Guys, I have a specific comb for my beard.


I like you. Would you like to join my space guild?


No the leader is a dickhead.

I have a specific comb for my beard.
GallowsCalibrator
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2319 - 2012-03-27 20:55:02 UTC
Eugene Spencer wrote:
Guys, I have a specific comb for my beard.


I, too, have a beard comb.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2320 - 2012-03-27 20:55:05 UTC
esc shk wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:

So you got nothing clear cut as the Alex/mittani saying "LYNCH this one guy HURF DERF?"



BoB killed RoyOfCA. I don't see anyone sperging about that


Tragic yes, show me where someone called for others to harass him unto his death?

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **