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DaiTengu
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2281 - 2012-03-27 20:37:09 UTC
Temulkar Blaine wrote:
Kallynda Nai wrote:
Temulkar Blaine wrote:
DaiTengu wrote:
Temulkar Blaine wrote:
Mittens deliberatly cultivated a position as the public face of the eve player base in the gaming press. He wanted a profile to fit his ego so whored himself to everybody and anybody last year as the public face of us as players because of his position in the CSM. He cant have it both ways he got his face in the forums of the wider gaming press and enjoyed the attention it gave him. He wanted to be the public face of us players, he wanted the proffile, he wanted to be seen as an ubercool spaceship politician. Well now the chickens have come home to roost he has to take the fall.


Find me one quote from him where he says he represents the ENTIRE EVE COMMUNITY.

Go ahead, I'll wait.






You can't?

It's because he didn't. He's clearly said he stands for his constituents. Those people who specifically voted for him. Quit making **** up.


"Gianturco exclaims that this was for the benefit of the average EVE player. «The media storm made CCP see things from the players' perspective. We are really satisfied with what came out of these turmoils, and the average player in EVE Online will also feel the impact this had on CCP's priorities."

Clearly he feels he represents the "average eve player" awwwww do you feel betrayed the mittens has been unfaithful to the swarm and has been trying to do things for the whole community?




He's talking about the csm as a whole, you illiterate hobo.


The CSM of which he is chairman or is comprehension beyond you. Since you cant understand the implication of that quote her is another one from Mittens where the goons dont even get a mention.

"As CSM Chair, I offer sound guidance and guardianship of that power; I'm one of the first to truly wield it effectively. I'm here to protect the nullsec population against the existential danger of allowing an ignorant hiseccer and Greyscale to get together and talk about jump bridges. I'm here to keep the focus of the game on spaceships instead of a testbed for WoD or a venue for more pants. It's a guardianship."

Yes its a guardianship and he has failed in his role. At least he has aplogised and intimated he will be resigning. YOu however are defending the indefensible. What I find most amusing is you think he represents the goons? He represents himself the goons are merely a tool for him to get the publicity his ego needs. THe goons are the fat girlfriend left at home whilst mittens goes out clubbing with the pretty babes in the gaming press. If I were a goon I would feel used and a bit dirty.



So wait, you found a quote where he says he represents "nullsec", a known minority of players, and waved it in my face as if it's proof that he's said he represents the ENTIRE EVE COMMUNITY.


I could not have done better. My hat is off to you, sir.
Kara Roideater
#2282 - 2012-03-27 20:37:24 UTC
Yeep wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Goons complaining about this being political, Goons complaining about hate and verbal abuse.. some top quality posting


Using the death (real or potential) of an actual human being as political capital in an internet spaceships game was disgusting when BoB did it in 2005 and its disgusting to see people doing it now.


Indeed! More disgusting than creating the situation involving that (real or potential) death.

C'mon dude. Listen to yourself. You're on here arguing that the guy who created this situation should just get a slap on the wrist and then calling the people criticising the actions that could have led to said death 'disgusting'. Don't you see something of an imbalance there or does tribalism overcome all genuine considerations in cases like this? And if it does, then not only are you defending the guy but you are also using exactly the same material as 'political capital' in attacking your opponents (albeit at one remove).
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2283 - 2012-03-27 20:38:14 UTC
Doddy wrote:
All this has happened before, it will happen again.



Unless you make an example.

If he doesnt step down CCP needs to take action.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **
Kallynda Nai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2284 - 2012-03-27 20:39:07 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
Doddy wrote:
All this has happened before, it will happen again.



Unless you make an example.

If he doesnt step down CCP needs to take action.


BoB was the example.
Ice Fist
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2285 - 2012-03-27 20:39:43 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Yeep wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:

I can see the difference, you can tell x amount of people to go and kill themselves and a lot of other vile crap and its fine.

You can joke about peoples personal disabilities, there religion, their race, their person circumstances, you can make racist remarks and that is all fine as well.

You can also humiliate people on forum, in public in front of thousand of people and that is okay as well.

However once somebody does the same thing to you it suddenly because a serious issue and is no longer funny and those who do it are very bad and evil people.

Yep.. gotcha Blink


You don't think political discourse between strangers should be held to different standards than jokes between peers? Because if so boy do I have some dead baby jokes for you.


Between peers?

hmm.. if they were jokes between just goon members or CFC members then that is fine, however when you randomly attack people on the forums how do you know they do not take it personally?


If I make fun of you and you take it personally, Op Success. I just don't care about your internet feelings, just like you don't care about mine, and also like how pretty much nobody has cared from the start about the actual victim's internet feelings in this case. Quit acting like everyone is entitled to feel safe and secure on the forums. Quit acting like CCP should be protecting everyone from insulting posts and negative actions in game.
de4deye
Terra Nova Innovations
Sedition.
#2286 - 2012-03-27 20:40:07 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
Doddy wrote:
All this has happened before, it will happen again.



Unless you make an example.

If he doesnt step down CCP needs to take action.

He cannot get away with this, and will not for a fact.
GallowsCalibrator
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2287 - 2012-03-27 20:40:56 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
GallowsCalibrator wrote:
People need to CHILL THE **** OUT and let the actual people involved sort out where to go next, without keeping the shitstorm running that is only going to bring more negative press and hurt the game further. Although I do wonder how many of the people trying to keep this inflamed will do that.


Yes, I hear that yelling and using profanity effectively silences people who are voicing opinions contrary to your own. Moar plz.


Pretty much just the way I type, welp - shooting the messenger, not the message, etc.

The point, however, does stand; keeping this thing going hurts the game. Things are obviously being done about this. You kind of just proved the point there.
Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2288 - 2012-03-27 20:41:07 UTC
wow goon PR machine is in full swing Shocked
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#2289 - 2012-03-27 20:41:16 UTC
Maverick Gauss wrote:
I am fairly new to Eve, so new that this years fanfest was the first I watched. And the appearance on the Alliance panel was the first I saw of The Mittani. But I take your word that he is a great enrichment to this community.

About his appology for his missdoings I'm sceptic. True he was drunk during the panel. But I don't think he was drunk when his corpmember told him the story about this miner. He probably wasn't drunk when he made the power point presentation and I don't believe he was drunk when he intentionally made the decission to mock this player in front of tousands of people.

I see that some may say that his good deeds outweight this one mistake, but this is the price for his fame. Him stepping down as CSM Chairman would be the absolute least to do. Giving all his ISK to the victim, fair enough. Harassing The Mittani even after he takes this actions, too much and also a bit hippocratic.

Yours sincerly


Mav, I applaud you speaking your mind as a new player, but there is something you need to understand.

Nobody cares about any of the things you mentioned... not the slide, not laughing publicly at the guy, none of that.

The only issue is his drunken joke about paying the guy a visit in game to harass him into committing suicide. It went a step over the line into possibly causing the miner bodily harm in real life if anyone were actually stupid enough to take Mittani's joke seriously.

All the rest is actually business as usual in EVE.

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Doddy
Excidium.
#2290 - 2012-03-27 20:42:23 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
Doddy wrote:
All this has happened before, it will happen again.



Unless you make an example.

If he doesnt step down CCP needs to take action.


You don't get it. When it happened before it created eves content for the next 5 years.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2291 - 2012-03-27 20:42:34 UTC
Kallynda Nai wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
Doddy wrote:
All this has happened before, it will happen again.



Unless you make an example.

If he doesnt step down CCP needs to take action.


BoB was the example.


Of cyber bullying and potential death?

How so?

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **
esc shk
Okay Sax
#2292 - 2012-03-27 20:42:47 UTC
Andrea Roche wrote:
wow goon PR machine is in full swing Shocked


No this isn't our PR Machine. Just us posting of our free will. You do not want the PR Machine going.
Bill Banner
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2293 - 2012-03-27 20:43:21 UTC
Ice Fist wrote:
Eugene Spencer wrote:
I don't really care about in-game politics or bashing someone because they are the leader of a larger alliance.

But I do think he is an utter disgrace and unfit to represent the EVE community. People can use the excuse "he was drunk, people do silly things when they are drunk". Agreed, but you take responsibility when you're sober.

Resign.


You know a couple years ago the CSM was a total joke that nobody cared about. But now that Mittens has turned it into something awesome, the whole landscape has changed. Look at all the people who take this so serious, so e-honorish seriously. We have internet legal opinions flying around from people who most likely have no damn clue what they're talking about (Princess Bride ), we have other CSM members JUST ITCHING to take advantage of the downfall of the man who made them powerful (Darius III), and then a brothel runner who thinks that because Goons are defending their leader's position on the CSM that we all must be a religous cult, lacking individual thought processes (Jade Constantine)

Now that there is something worth fighting over, everone is here to cash their checks.


Not me - I'm not pushing any personal agenda; I just think he exhibited some poor behavior, and as a result should step down or be removed.

By extension, his actions reflect those of his supporters as well - thus marginalizing the entire organization as a collection of recalcitrant twits.
Luba Cibre
Global Song Setup
#2294 - 2012-03-27 20:43:52 UTC
Opsec cfc leak:
http://oi40.tinypic.com/acftpw.jpg

"Nothing essential happens in the absence of noise." 
Kallynda Nai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2295 - 2012-03-27 20:44:23 UTC
de4deye wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
Doddy wrote:
All this has happened before, it will happen again.



Unless you make an example.

If he doesnt step down CCP needs to take action.

He cannot get away with this, and will not for a fact.


You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
de4deye
Terra Nova Innovations
Sedition.
#2296 - 2012-03-27 20:44:43 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
Kallynda Nai wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
Doddy wrote:
All this has happened before, it will happen again.



Unless you make an example.

If he doesnt step down CCP needs to take action.


BoB was the example.


Of cyber bullying and potential death?

How so?

Zerglings will defend their leader no matter what. Regardless of their complaints, mittens will have to go, there is no other way around this.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2297 - 2012-03-27 20:44:49 UTC
Andrea Roche wrote:
wow goon PR machine is in full swing Shocked



Yes they the Goons have decided they are PRO Cyber bullying, and pro driving people to suicide through harassment.

Its really very disturbing they are defending it. You should have seen some of the posts they made before they were purged by mods.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **
Yeep
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2298 - 2012-03-27 20:44:54 UTC
Kara Roideater wrote:
Yeep wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Goons complaining about this being political, Goons complaining about hate and verbal abuse.. some top quality posting


Using the death (real or potential) of an actual human being as political capital in an internet spaceships game was disgusting when BoB did it in 2005 and its disgusting to see people doing it now.


Indeed! More disgusting than creating the situation involving that (real or potential) death.

C'mon dude. Listen to yourself. You're on here arguing that the guy who created this situation should just get a slap on the wrist and then calling the people criticising the actions that could have led to said death 'disgusting'. Don't you see something of an imbalance there or does tribalism overcome all genuine considerations in cases like this? And if it does, then not only are you defending the guy but you are also using exactly the same material as 'political capital' in attacking your opponents (albeit at one remove).


And you're doing it 3 times removed to invalidate my point. I guess we're all terrible people. You don't see me defending The Mittani's actions this week or Tetsujin's actions 6 years ago because I don't agree with them but neither am I pretending to be more appauled than I really am for personal gain.

Not to mention the fact that The Mittani has accepted what he did was wrong and apologised. What are the chances anyone else in this thread will do that?
esc shk
Okay Sax
#2299 - 2012-03-27 20:45:00 UTC
I should really release a public goon statement saying that we recognise that the presentation was **** and mittens ****** up.

Disclaimer - The Presentation was utter ******* ****-balls
Ice Fist
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2300 - 2012-03-27 20:45:48 UTC
Bill Banner wrote:
Ice Fist wrote:
Eugene Spencer wrote:
I don't really care about in-game politics or bashing someone because they are the leader of a larger alliance.

But I do think he is an utter disgrace and unfit to represent the EVE community. People can use the excuse "he was drunk, people do silly things when they are drunk". Agreed, but you take responsibility when you're sober.

Resign.


You know a couple years ago the CSM was a total joke that nobody cared about. But now that Mittens has turned it into something awesome, the whole landscape has changed. Look at all the people who take this so serious, so e-honorish seriously. We have internet legal opinions flying around from people who most likely have no damn clue what they're talking about (Princess Bride ), we have other CSM members JUST ITCHING to take advantage of the downfall of the man who made them powerful (Darius III), and then a brothel runner who thinks that because Goons are defending their leader's position on the CSM that we all must be a religous cult, lacking individual thought processes (Jade Constantine)

Now that there is something worth fighting over, everone is here to cash their checks.


Not me - I'm not pushing any personal agenda; I just think he exhibited some poor behavior, and as a result should step down or be removed.

By extension, his actions reflect those of his supporters as well - thus marginalizing the entire organization as a collection of recalcitrant twits.


There are exceptions of course. But they are few and far between from the people who actually stand to gain something.

Sticks and stones. I don't really think I, or anybody else in my organization care what you think about us in game. In fact, I find a great deal of comedy in all the hate being generated.