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DaiTengu
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2221 - 2012-03-27 19:46:24 UTC
It's been brought up before and not sufficiently answered.

Why did it take 3 days for this to blow up? Immediately after the alliance panel threads like this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=85068
popped up all over the forums wondering why CCP allowed such cursing.


Thousands of people watched the Alliance panel and saw The Mittani say these admittedly bad things as they happened, but no one said anything until 3 days later. Instead they were more upset that he, and others, used the F-bomb too many times for their delicate sensibilities.

It took days for anyone to contact the affected miner and ask him what he thought, The chatlog from that conversation is readily available in this thread (and other places). The guy had no idea and really didn't seem to care.


At that point it should have been done with after a simple apology, But no, politics came into play.

Now those who didn't vote for Mittani, never would have voted for him, and actively campaigned against him are fueling the fire.


This doesn't excuse what he did, but it's being blown way out of proportion. Each and every one of you has done or said something monumentally stupid in your lives at least once. You were just lucky enough not to have a camera and a microphone nearby when you did it.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2222 - 2012-03-27 19:47:35 UTC
DaiTengu wrote:
It's been brought up before and not sufficiently answered.

Why did it take 3 days for this to blow up?


They waited for him to be announced as CSM chair.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#2223 - 2012-03-27 19:47:56 UTC
L00B wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:


Its about the next person that might not be stable enough to not be pushed to far.

Try actually reading my posts.



Oh, we're reading them. You're talking about defending someone that may or may not exist, but may definitely exist in some version of the future that has or has not come true yet.

In other words, it's hypothetical bullshit.


In other words, if you were in charge of CCP's legal dept, you would wait until we have an actual dead body before taking any sort of unnecessary and irreversible action...like a ban or a banishment from CSM. You know you're probably right. I'm sure their legal department is advising they wait until there's a DB before doing anything. No DB no foul right?

http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/
DaiTengu
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2224 - 2012-03-27 19:50:48 UTC
Andski wrote:
DaiTengu wrote:
It's been brought up before and not sufficiently answered.

Why did it take 3 days for this to blow up?


They waited for him to be announced as CSM chair.


I don't think that was it.
Jessy Berbers
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2225 - 2012-03-27 19:52:10 UTC
Ok mittens, your apology is not accepted by me. Your behavior was totally and utterly un-acceptable.

I am with those who demand you step down from the CSM, but i also want to see the following actions, and in this i am mild.

Remove yourself from the game, or simply delete your charachter/charachters! all of them and start from the scratch, start from 0000.0000.000.

And next to that rename Goonswarm to completely something else, this is to delete your shameful behavior.

You must be let of with a prayer as you so eloquently put it, with praying your whole alliance wasnt dismantled by CCP. and your MAC/and IP banned for life.


Such is my thought on this issue.

Greets

Jessy.
Kallynda Nai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2226 - 2012-03-27 19:53:16 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
L00B wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:


Its about the next person that might not be stable enough to not be pushed to far.

Try actually reading my posts.



Oh, we're reading them. You're talking about defending someone that may or may not exist, but may definitely exist in some version of the future that has or has not come true yet.

In other words, it's hypothetical bullshit.


In other words, if you were in charge of CCP's legal dept, you would wait until we have an actual dead body before taking any sort of unnecessary and irreversible action...like a ban or a banishment from CSM. You know you're probably right. I'm sure their legal department is advising they wait until there's a DB before doing anything. No DB no foul right?


Holy ****, you're stupid. You should probably stop posting.
Ice Fist
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2227 - 2012-03-27 19:54:34 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
L00B wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:


Its about the next person that might not be stable enough to not be pushed to far.

Try actually reading my posts.



Oh, we're reading them. You're talking about defending someone that may or may not exist, but may definitely exist in some version of the future that has or has not come true yet.

In other words, it's hypothetical bullshit.


In other words, if you were in charge of CCP's legal dept, you would wait until we have an actual dead body before taking any sort of unnecessary and irreversible action...like a ban or a banishment from CSM. You know you're probably right. I'm sure their legal department is advising they wait until there's a DB before doing anything. No DB no foul right?


I change my mind, you really are dumber than Jade or Darius III.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#2228 - 2012-03-27 19:55:09 UTC
I'm back (to a degree), what did I miss?

Let me guess...

More internet lawyering.
More people who haven't bothered to watch the video but insist on expressing their point of view.
More assertions of moral outrage at a drunken joke.
More people who haven't bothered to read the OP.
More people who don't know he is in the process of stepping down as chairman.
More people who believe The Wis actually commited suicide.
More people who actually think harassment of The Wis took place.
More people who are unaware that Mittani and The Wis have already worked things out as adults.
More people trolling because they have a personal axe to grind.
Even more internet lawyering, despite no crime or any actions justifying a lawsuit being reported.
More accusations of CCP favoritism.
More ignoring of the jest The Wis made about his "wish for death" in his original EVE Mail.
More ignoring of the fact that The Wis has denied any wrongful act by Mittani or others acting on his behalf.
Yet even more internet lawyering, based on what ifs and straw man arguments.
More accusations of Cyber Bullying of a 30 something divorced man with no evidence of mental instability or emotional imbalance... despite the fact that nothing of the sort has actually happened according to the supposed victim.

Did I miss anything new?

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Princess Bride
SharkNado
#2229 - 2012-03-27 19:55:38 UTC
Ice Fist wrote:
Princess Bride wrote:
L00B wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:


Its about the next person that might not be stable enough to not be pushed to far.

Try actually reading my posts.



Oh, we're reading them. You're talking about defending someone that may or may not exist, but may definitely exist in some version of the future that has or has not come true yet.

In other words, it's hypothetical bullshit.


In other words, if you were in charge of CCP's legal dept, you would wait until we have an actual dead body before taking any sort of unnecessary and irreversible action...like a ban or a banishment from CSM. You know you're probably right. I'm sure their legal department is advising they wait until there's a DB before doing anything. No DB no foul right?


I change my mind, you really are dumber than Jade or Darius III.


And you sir have cold hands. I too can post stuff.

http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/
Inovy Dacella
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
#2230 - 2012-03-27 19:56:44 UTC
DaiTengu wrote:
It's been brought up before and not sufficiently answered.

Why did it take 3 days for this to blow up? Immediately after the alliance panel threads like this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=85068
popped up all over the forums wondering why CCP allowed such cursing.


Thousands of people watched the Alliance panel and saw The Mittani say these admittedly bad things as they happened, but no one said anything until 3 days later. Instead they were more upset that he, and others, used the F-bomb too many times for their delicate sensibilities.

It took days for anyone to contact the affected miner and ask him what he thought, The chatlog from that conversation is readily available in this thread (and other places). The guy had no idea and really didn't seem to care.


At that point it should have been done with after a simple apology, But no, politics came into play.

Now those who didn't vote for Mittani, never would have voted for him, and actively campaigned against him are fueling the fire.


This doesn't excuse what he did, but it's being blown way out of proportion. Each and every one of you has done or said something monumentally stupid in your lives at least once. You were just lucky enough not to have a camera and a microphone nearby when you did it.

The inability of some to understand the gravity of this incident is why The Mittani will probably be banned. The example would be a strong statement to all players. If nothing else does, YOU will get your leader banned.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#2231 - 2012-03-27 19:58:50 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
I'm back (to a degree), what did I miss?

Let me guess...

More internet lawyering.
More people who haven't bothered to watch the video but insist on expressing their point of view.
More assertions of moral outrage at a drunken joke.
More people who haven't bothered to read the OP.
More people who don't know he is in the process of stepping down as chairman.
More people who believe The Wis actually commited suicide.
More people who actually think harassment of The Wis took place.
More people who are unaware that Mittani and The Wis have already worked things out as adults.
More people trolling because they have a personal axe to grind.
Even more internet lawyering, despite no crime or any actions justifying a lawsuit being reported.
More accusations of CCP favoritism.
More ignoring of the jest The Wis made about his "wish for death" in his original EVE Mail.
More ignoring of the fact that The Wis has denied any wrongful act by Mittani or others acting on his behalf.
Yet even more internet lawyering, based on what ifs and straw man arguments.
More accusations of Cyber Bullying of a 30 something divorced man with no evidence of mental instability or emotional imbalance... despite the fact that nothing of the sort has actually happened according to the supposed victim.

Did I miss anything new?



E-drama

Who's going to write a book about this? - I can see the title already "I wasn't there"
Temulkar Blaine
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2232 - 2012-03-27 19:59:07 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
Kallynda Nai wrote:
Temulkar Blaine wrote:
DaiTengu wrote:
Temulkar Blaine wrote:
Mittens deliberatly cultivated a position as the public face of the eve player base in the gaming press. He wanted a profile to fit his ego so whored himself to everybody and anybody last year as the public face of us as players because of his position in the CSM. He cant have it both ways he got his face in the forums of the wider gaming press and enjoyed the attention it gave him. He wanted to be the public face of us players, he wanted the proffile, he wanted to be seen as an ubercool spaceship politician. Well now the chickens have come home to roost he has to take the fall.


Find me one quote from him where he says he represents the ENTIRE EVE COMMUNITY.

Go ahead, I'll wait.






You can't?

It's because he didn't. He's clearly said he stands for his constituents. Those people who specifically voted for him. Quit making **** up.


"Gianturco exclaims that this was for the benefit of the average EVE player. «The media storm made CCP see things from the players' perspective. We are really satisfied with what came out of these turmoils, and the average player in EVE Online will also feel the impact this had on CCP's priorities."

Clearly he feels he represents the "average eve player" awwwww do you feel betrayed the mittens has been unfaithful to the swarm and has been trying to do things for the whole community?




He's talking about the csm as a whole, you illiterate hobo.


The CSM of which he is chairman or is comprehension beyond you. Since you cant understand the implication of that quote her is another one from Mittens where the goons dont even get a mention.

"As CSM Chair, I offer sound guidance and guardianship of that power; I'm one of the first to truly wield it effectively. I'm here to protect the nullsec population against the existential danger of allowing an ignorant hiseccer and Greyscale to get together and talk about jump bridges. I'm here to keep the focus of the game on spaceships instead of a testbed for WoD or a venue for more pants. It's a guardianship."

Yes its a guardianship and he has failed in his role. At least he has aplogised and intimated he will be resigning. YOu however are defending the indefensible. What I find most amusing is you think he represents the goons? He represents himself the goons are merely a tool for him to get the publicity his ego needs. If I were a goon I would feel used and a bit dirty.

Edit: Inappropriate part removed, CCP Phantom
TK420
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2233 - 2012-03-27 19:59:40 UTC  |  Edited by: TK420
Seems to me we should probably give that dude some isk.

Reprehensible behavior by The Mittani for sure. Even though EVE is ruthless, and we're all scumbags, on the other end of that magical internet line are real people. We all agree to no holds barred PvP, with that comes some of the greatest stories in EVE, but when we're talking about real people here, real consequences from our actions, human decency is never a bad thing.

Goonswarm fundraiser for this dude? I'd donate.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2234 - 2012-03-27 20:00:19 UTC
Almost there guys! The apology thread is almost caught up to the resignation thread! Just one more page to go!

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#2235 - 2012-03-27 20:01:18 UTC
I think my favorite thing about this thread is how goons went from being smug and dismissive to very mad.

They've manipulated crowds to do their bidding before, but now the beast has turned on them, and they're utterly powerless before it. How upsetting that must be.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Ice Fist
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2236 - 2012-03-27 20:01:48 UTC
Temulkar Blaine wrote:
Kallynda Nai wrote:
Temulkar Blaine wrote:
DaiTengu wrote:
Temulkar Blaine wrote:
Mittens deliberatly cultivated a position as the public face of the eve player base in the gaming press. He wanted a profile to fit his ego so whored himself to everybody and anybody last year as the public face of us as players because of his position in the CSM. He cant have it both ways he got his face in the forums of the wider gaming press and enjoyed the attention it gave him. He wanted to be the public face of us players, he wanted the proffile, he wanted to be seen as an ubercool spaceship politician. Well now the chickens have come home to roost he has to take the fall.


Find me one quote from him where he says he represents the ENTIRE EVE COMMUNITY.

Go ahead, I'll wait.






You can't?

It's because he didn't. He's clearly said he stands for his constituents. Those people who specifically voted for him. Quit making **** up.


"Gianturco exclaims that this was for the benefit of the average EVE player. «The media storm made CCP see things from the players' perspective. We are really satisfied with what came out of these turmoils, and the average player in EVE Online will also feel the impact this had on CCP's priorities."

Clearly he feels he represents the "average eve player" awwwww do you feel betrayed the mittens has been unfaithful to the swarm and has been trying to do things for the whole community?




He's talking about the csm as a whole, you illiterate hobo.


The CSM of which he is chairman or is comprehension beyond you. Since you cant understand the implication of that quote her is another one from Mittens where the goons dont even get a mention.

"As CSM Chair, I offer sound guidance and guardianship of that power; I'm one of the first to truly wield it effectively. I'm here to protect the nullsec population against the existential danger of allowing an ignorant hiseccer and Greyscale to get together and talk about jump bridges. I'm here to keep the focus of the game on spaceships instead of a testbed for WoD or a venue for more pants. It's a guardianship."

Yes its a guardianship and he has failed in his role. At least he has aplogised and intimated he will be resigning. YOu however are defending the indefensible. What I find most amusing is you think he represents the goons? He represents himself the goons are merely a tool for him to get the publicity his ego needs. THe goons are the fat girlfriend left at home whilst mittens goes out clubbing with the pretty babes in the gaming press. If I were a goon I would feel used and a bit dirty.


Actually, in his role as a CSM he did exactly what he said he'd do, and if he were to stay on this term (which I doubt, but that is by the by) he'd do the exact same thing.
Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2237 - 2012-03-27 20:02:29 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
I'm back (to a degree), what did I miss?

Let me guess...

More internet lawyering.
More people who haven't bothered to watch the video but insist on expressing their point of view.
More assertions of moral outrage at a drunken joke.
More people who haven't bothered to read the OP.
More people who don't know he is in the process of stepping down as chairman.
More people who believe The Wis actually commited suicide.
More people who actually think harassment of The Wis took place.
More people who are unaware that Mittani and The Wis have already worked things out as adults.
More people trolling because they have a personal axe to grind.
Even more internet lawyering, despite no crime or any actions justifying a lawsuit being reported.
More accusations of CCP favoritism.
More ignoring of the jest The Wis made about his "wish for death" in his original EVE Mail.
More ignoring of the fact that The Wis has denied any wrongful act by Mittani or others acting on his behalf.
Yet even more internet lawyering, based on what ifs and straw man arguments.
More accusations of Cyber Bullying of a 30 something divorced man with no evidence of mental instability or emotional imbalance... despite the fact that nothing of the sort has actually happened according to the supposed victim.

Did I miss anything new?



E-drama

Who's going to write a book about this? - I can see the title already "I wasn't there"


ROFL
Kara Roideater
#2238 - 2012-03-27 20:03:03 UTC
Magnus Orin wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
Magnus Orin wrote:


Oh god.... this is not real-world politics. He is an elected spaceship dude that gets to talk to CCP about ideas to make this space ship game better from time to time.

He's not a fucking Congressman. He's not a fucking Member of a Parliament. He's a dude who likes to blow up other people space ships in a video game and be an ass about it. I think a good percentage of the population fall into that category.

Put your goddamn noose down.



Then it shouldn't be a big deal for him to step down.


Are you doing this for the 'victim' or are you doing this because you hate The Mittani?


False dilemma. There are more options than this. I believe you know that so I won't list them for you but if you don't, then just read the thread.
Ai Shun
#2239 - 2012-03-27 20:03:04 UTC
Magnus Orin wrote:
The amount of hate and verbal abuse thrown at The Mittani and Goons in general makes this entire community absolutely reek of hypocrisy.


It seems about equal to what the Goons dish out on a regular basis. I don't mind that, but to ***** about it as a Goon is a tad rich.
Garadjanalhavar Arareb
Doomheim
#2240 - 2012-03-27 20:04:25 UTC
DaiTengu wrote:
It's been brought up before and not sufficiently answered.

Why did it take 3 days for this to blow up? Immediately after the alliance panel threads like this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=85068
popped up all over the forums wondering why CCP allowed such cursing.


Thousands of people watched the Alliance panel and saw The Mittani say these admittedly bad things as they happened, but no one said anything until 3 days later. Instead they were more upset that he, and others, used the F-bomb too many times for their delicate sensibilities.

It took days for anyone to contact the affected miner and ask him what he thought, The chatlog from that conversation is readily available in this thread (and other places). The guy had no idea and really didn't seem to care.


At that point it should have been done with after a simple apology, But no, politics came into play.

Now those who didn't vote for Mittani, never would have voted for him, and actively campaigned against him are fueling the fire.


This doesn't excuse what he did, but it's being blown way out of proportion. Each and every one of you has done or said something monumentally stupid in your lives at least once. You were just lucky enough not to have a camera and a microphone nearby when you did it.


+1
'Nuff said right there.