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Taihbea
Doomheim
#2201 - 2012-03-27 19:37:45 UTC
L00B wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:


Its about the next person that might not be stable enough to not be pushed to far.

Try actually reading my posts.



Oh, we're reading them. You're talking about defending someone that may or may not exist, but may definitely exist in some version of the future that has or has not come true yet.

In other words, it's hypothetical bullshit.


Action --- consequence.

Time to man up, oh and also HTFU and learn to take responsibility for your actions kiddo.
Tobias Sjodin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2202 - 2012-03-27 19:38:18 UTC
117 pages for this ****? You guys know that in spite of the fun and all, in the end this is a computer game. Right?

People need to take a step back and chillax man.

Ronald Reagan: I do not like Sweden, they support communism. Minister: Sir, but Sweden are anti-communist, Sir.  Ronald Reagan: I do not care what kind of communists they are.
Magnus Orin
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2203 - 2012-03-27 19:39:04 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
DaiTengu wrote:
Temulkar Blaine wrote:
Mittens deliberatly cultivated a position as the public face of the eve player base in the gaming press. He wanted a profile to fit his ego so whored himself to everybody and anybody last year as the public face of us as players because of his position in the CSM. He cant have it both ways he got his face in the forums of the wider gaming press and enjoyed the attention it gave him. He wanted to be the public face of us players, he wanted the proffile, he wanted to be seen as an ubercool spaceship politician. Well now the chickens have come home to roost he has to take the fall.


Find me one quote from him where he says he represents the ENTIRE EVE COMMUNITY.

Go ahead, I'll wait.






You can't?

It's because he didn't. He's clearly said he stands for his constituents. Those people who specifically voted for him. Quit making **** up.


Yeah.. the second external Internet Sites reported him as being a CSM Council Member and CSM Chairman he stands for the Eve Community.

Who he stands for on the Eve Forums doesn't mean **** in this case.


Who cares what the nerd media is inaccurately reporting. People are talking about an Eve 'scandal' on the interwebs, that will bring in subscriptions no matter what they say.
Temulkar Blaine
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2204 - 2012-03-27 19:39:44 UTC
DaiTengu wrote:
Temulkar Blaine wrote:
Mittens deliberatly cultivated a position as the public face of the eve player base in the gaming press. He wanted a profile to fit his ego so whored himself to everybody and anybody last year as the public face of us as players because of his position in the CSM. He cant have it both ways he got his face in the forums of the wider gaming press and enjoyed the attention it gave him. He wanted to be the public face of us players, he wanted the proffile, he wanted to be seen as an ubercool spaceship politician. Well now the chickens have come home to roost he has to take the fall.


Find me one quote from him where he says he represents the ENTIRE EVE COMMUNITY.

Go ahead, I'll wait.






You can't?

It's because he didn't. He's clearly said he stands for his constituents. Those people who specifically voted for him. Quit making **** up.


"Gianturco exclaims that this was for the benefit of the average EVE player. «The media storm made CCP see things from the players' perspective. We are really satisfied with what came out of these turmoils, and the average player in EVE Online will also feel the impact this had on CCP's priorities."

Clearly he feels he represents the "average eve player" awwwww do you feel betrayed the mittens has been unfaithful to the swarm and has been trying to do things for the whole community?
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2205 - 2012-03-27 19:40:00 UTC
Murrior wrote:
I've put on some weight lately. Not in any digusting amount, but it does annoy me.

The weather is getting better finally and while I enjoy winter as much as the rest of the seasons, I've had enough of it this year. Spring is finally here and that makes me feel better.


I like LA Blue Girl, but it doesn't have enough of the hur hur in it, too much random talking, needs more hur hur.

Anyway, there's been a crap load of really stupid posts since I went to bed.

It's really simple guys, Mittens made a mistake, apologized privately and publicly. In my opinion, it's over.

Continuing to call for him to step down or hurfblurf all over the damn place makes you look like all you want is for him to be deposed because you are butt hurt over the fact that Mittani is actually liked and you are not, with jealousy thrown in because you hate Mittani for no real reason other than thinking he's a douchebag. This is merely a concerted effort to smeer a guy who was already drunk and smeered himself all over the damn place, then some douche decided to call no name media outlets, who were picking their butts doing absolutely nothing until this came about because of one or two douche bags white knighting on a moral high ground pedestal who are only out for their purposes, not coming to the aid of someone else.

None of you care about The Wis, those of you white knighting for Mittani's head. The Wis does not care about the entire situation. You'll believe what you want, and continue to hurfblurf heart attack all over the place, so I guess it doesn't matter anymore what anyone says. In the end, I fear the mob will take over, because they are stupid and like to spend all their waking hours making heart attack posts about a subject that the target of the subject really thinks is hilarious, and really does not care about.
Yeep
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2206 - 2012-03-27 19:40:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Yeep
Kara Roideater wrote:

None of your examples parallel what the Mittani did. He didn't engage in non-consensual pvp, or scam someone or just criticise someone. In all those circumstances it might well be reasonable to claim that such actions, which constitute integral parts of the game, shouldn't be constrained by someone's claims about their health, especially if those claims are directed at stopping parts of the legitimate action of the game. What he did was stand up in public, out of the game, as an influential figure in the eve community and mock someone for their claims about their real life mental state before giving out that person's name and then encouraging other people to pursue him, explicitly in the context of his self-identification as someone who had considered taking his own life and with the implication that such actions might cause him to do so. That is not an integral part of the game and preventing such actions in future would have no negative effect on game-play and nor would it constrain any reasonable behaviour.


No you're right, but there are people in this thread claiming that his participation in those actions which are well within the game rules made him unfit for CSM position even before any of this. I guess I just don't see how a drunken mistake (something everyone who drinks has done) which he has sincerely apologized for is any indication of his ability to chair the CSM. I'd hold a real politician to the same standards, apologise to the offended party, make reparations to the offended party and let everyone else get on with their lives.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2207 - 2012-03-27 19:40:29 UTC
Tobias Sjodin wrote:
117 pages for this ****? You guys know that in spite of the fun and all, in the end this is a computer game. Right?

People need to take a step back and chillax man.


they need to take a chill pill

don't overdose though we wouldn't want a WRONGFUL DEATH LAWSUIT here

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Magnus Orin
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2208 - 2012-03-27 19:40:44 UTC
Taihbea wrote:
L00B wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:


Its about the next person that might not be stable enough to not be pushed to far.

Try actually reading my posts.



Oh, we're reading them. You're talking about defending someone that may or may not exist, but may definitely exist in some version of the future that has or has not come true yet.

In other words, it's hypothetical bullshit.


Action --- consequence.

Time to man up, oh and also HTFU and learn to take responsibility for your actions kiddo.


Please elaborate on the specific negative consequences (real, not hypothetical) of this action.

I think people are raging less for any 'victim' here and more just because they don't like The Mittani.

Why are you a white-knight?
L00B
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2209 - 2012-03-27 19:41:13 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
L00B wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:


Its about the next person that might not be stable enough to not be pushed to far.

Try actually reading my posts.



Oh, we're reading them. You're talking about defending someone that may or may not exist, but may definitely exist in some version of the future that has or has not come true yet.

In other words, it's hypothetical bullshit.


Its real and staring us in the face at this moment.



Actually, I'm quite sure the aggrieved party is laughing at you, not staring you in the face begging you to act in his defense. I don't think you did your homework before you jumped in with both feet to defend this guy.
Alexia Canada
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2210 - 2012-03-27 19:42:07 UTC
Metal Dude wrote:
The real questions is why is anyone suppressed that the leader, who publicly and privately encourages and even demands the retards under his command to constantly mock people in game and real life would behave differently if there are no reproductions for doing so? CCP is to blame here once again for allowing it for so long. CCP deserves to be ridiculed in every gaming magazine for allowing this idiot to be selected representing the player based and bending over at his every demand. Serves you ******* right. Until CCP starts acting like it cares about it’s players, all this public talk and apologies and concerns for its player base is just ******* joke. Actions speak louder than words and CCP has no balls or morals to take any action against the tool that has been doing this kind of **** for years without even a slap on the wrist.


Show me on the doll where the chairman touched your titan.
Prince Kobol
#2211 - 2012-03-27 19:42:31 UTC
Magnus Orin wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
DaiTengu wrote:
Temulkar Blaine wrote:
Mittens deliberatly cultivated a position as the public face of the eve player base in the gaming press. He wanted a profile to fit his ego so whored himself to everybody and anybody last year as the public face of us as players because of his position in the CSM. He cant have it both ways he got his face in the forums of the wider gaming press and enjoyed the attention it gave him. He wanted to be the public face of us players, he wanted the proffile, he wanted to be seen as an ubercool spaceship politician. Well now the chickens have come home to roost he has to take the fall.


Find me one quote from him where he says he represents the ENTIRE EVE COMMUNITY.

Go ahead, I'll wait.


You can't?

It's because he didn't. He's clearly said he stands for his constituents. Those people who specifically voted for him. Quit making **** up.


Yeah.. the second external Internet Sites reported him as being a CSM Council Member and CSM Chairman he stands for the Eve Community.

Who he stands for on the Eve Forums doesn't mean **** in this case.


Who cares what the nerd media is inaccurately reporting. People are talking about an Eve 'scandal' on the interwebs, that will bring in subscriptions no matter what they say.


CCP Care, The people who have millions of dollars invested in CCP, CCP Official Sponsors.

Of course you are right, nothing like having your product advertised with winning headlines like

"CCP launches investigation after Eve Online FanFest panel accused of mocking suicidal player"

Especially with the media loving blaming Computer Games for everything from rioting to running around and shooting your fellow classmates dead, let alone the current fever surrounding Cyber Bullying..

I bet CCP are loving this attention
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2212 - 2012-03-27 19:42:41 UTC
Alexia Canada wrote:
Metal Dude wrote:
The real questions is why is anyone suppressed that the leader, who publicly and privately encourages and even demands the retards under his command to constantly mock people in game and real life would behave differently if there are no reproductions for doing so? CCP is to blame here once again for allowing it for so long. CCP deserves to be ridiculed in every gaming magazine for allowing this idiot to be selected representing the player based and bending over at his every demand. Serves you ******* right. Until CCP starts acting like it cares about it’s players, all this public talk and apologies and concerns for its player base is just ******* joke. Actions speak louder than words and CCP has no balls or morals to take any action against the tool that has been doing this kind of **** for years without even a slap on the wrist.


Show me on the doll where the chairman touched your titan.


this never gets old

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Kairos Antilles
Doomheim
#2213 - 2012-03-27 19:43:02 UTC
I have neither the time nor the inclination to read all (as of now) 116 pages of this thread, but in the many that I have read, not once have I seen anyone within GoonSwarm Federation break ranks on this topic, backing their CEO to the bitter end.

I find that to be either statistically amazing, or a testament to the collective hive mind they possess. Which is it?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2214 - 2012-03-27 19:43:11 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
CCP Care, The people who have millions of dollars invested in CCP, CCP Official Sponsors.

Of course you are right, nothing like having your product advertised with winning headlines like

"CCP launches investigation after Eve Online FanFest panel accused of mocking suicidal player"

Especially with the media loving blaming Computer Games for everything from rioting to running around and shooting your fellow classmates dead, let alone the current fever surrounding Cyber Bullying..

I bet CCP are loving this attention


CCP has never gotten negative attention in the media ever

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Ice Fist
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2215 - 2012-03-27 19:43:21 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
L00B wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:


Its about the next person that might not be stable enough to not be pushed to far.

Try actually reading my posts.



Oh, we're reading them. You're talking about defending someone that may or may not exist, but may definitely exist in some version of the future that has or has not come true yet.

In other words, it's hypothetical bullshit.



We have a living breathing example of Alex calling for someone to be harassed to a real life death. Its no longer a hypothetical. EvE is only barley dodging a bullet on this because we caught it before it had real world ramifications.

Its real and staring us in the face at this moment.


Harrassed through IN-GAME MEANS. This is a big difference.

Premediatated actions like this occur all the time. They are in fact encouraged by the developers again, and again. Everytime someone steals something, or kills someone, or thinks to themselves (or discuss with other plays outloud) "I'm going to grief the crap out of this player because the tears I get are going to be hilarious" they are playing the game by design.

I can see the arguement where this is was tasteless. I can see the arguement where this was a stupid thing to do while drunk. I can see where this would be inappropriate. And from those arguements I can also see a desire to have Mittens step down.

But this whole OMG HE SHOULD BE BANNED/ ARRESTED/ FLOGGED line of thinking is totally ludacris. Thank CCP for the environment where this is possible, don't blame Mittens/Goons and others from taking advantage of just how open the world is and what is possible inside of it.
Muestereate
Minions LLC
#2216 - 2012-03-27 19:43:46 UTC
Ya know something I may have skipped over is how this taints the CSM. I keep getting a pictures of the alliance panel and I hear CSM in my head. Now I know its not the same people but in my weirdly wired head it has become just that. That whole panel is the CSM to me. Now I already knew I didn't want to be a part of the null alliance thing after a half dozen months on an alt there. I tried to stick around but I just couldn't get around that I was letting drunken fools lead me. 6 months, my bad, how stupid, fail etc, ok I agree so I left.

Problem is this CSM transference. Are our CSM as bad as Mittani or the rest of this panel? Is all of eve as bad as these people? I keep thinking I'm with a group of mature men but instead I think I'm in a party of drunken adolescents showing off their pubic hair. all One of them.

Then the next question, its not as loud since their turnaround but, is this CCP?
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#2217 - 2012-03-27 19:44:24 UTC
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:

Circumstances play a role, it's fanfest where goons spend days pretending to be idiots or griefers.

And you think it is ok? You think it is ok for the chair of CSM to participate in that, as long as he does not start by saying he represents the CSM?

Quote:
There was also booze involved.

Abusing someone while drunk is supposed to be better than abusing them sober?
Prince Kobol
#2218 - 2012-03-27 19:45:27 UTC
Andski wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
CCP Care, The people who have millions of dollars invested in CCP, CCP Official Sponsors.

Of course you are right, nothing like having your product advertised with winning headlines like

"CCP launches investigation after Eve Online FanFest panel accused of mocking suicidal player"

Especially with the media loving blaming Computer Games for everything from rioting to running around and shooting your fellow classmates dead, let alone the current fever surrounding Cyber Bullying..

I bet CCP are loving this attention


CCP has never gotten negative attention in the media ever


Yep.. the last round of negative media attention they got was a roaring success, all those new accounts they got... hang on
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2219 - 2012-03-27 19:45:28 UTC
also the mittani has done more for the game than anyone else in this thread

just sayin

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Yeep
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2220 - 2012-03-27 19:45:44 UTC
Kairos Antilles wrote:
I have neither the time nor the inclination to read all (as of now) 116 pages of this thread, but in the many that I have read, not once have I seen anyone within GoonSwarm Federation break ranks on this topic, backing their CEO to the bitter end.

I find that to be either statistically amazing, or a testament to the collective hive mind they possess. Which is it?


Hi let me point you to my post in this very thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1016057#post1016057

Congratulations, I even mentioned you (you're the uneducated masses in the OP)