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Mittani - Resignation. Vote Yes or No. Simple.

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Lexmana
#201 - 2012-03-28 08:48:55 UTC
I say no. And I bet that most people saying yes has not seen the evidence and did not vote in the election.
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#202 - 2012-03-28 08:54:58 UTC
JusFooling Around wrote:
I am confused.

Mittani says he did a bad thing, used the word horrible, expressed great regret revulsed by what he did

Now his followers coma along and argue with him about it, calling it trivial, no big deal, nothing to be concerned about

I guess this is the history of the downfall of Eve's big corps. The leadership loses the confidence of the rank and file and they toss him to the curb, or the leadership loots the corp and walks away when he sees the members starting to grumble

They must be really mad at him as they have refuted every word he has said after the taping and kinda sobered up. I guess they like him shitfaced drunk better than sober

you might want to entertain the thought that the "revulsion" thing was the mittani's message to the public while his message to the alliance talked about "stupid media hit pieces"

different strategies for internal and external communications - what a revolutionary concept
Pip x2
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#203 - 2012-03-28 08:58:28 UTC
I'm just going to leave this here as well
Molly Argonaut
V0LTA
New Eden Alliance 99013733
#204 - 2012-03-28 09:03:56 UTC
yes and asap
JusFooling Around
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#205 - 2012-03-28 17:02:12 UTC  |  Edited by: JusFooling Around
disregard this post as CCP's wonderful new forums posted the quote as if it was something I just typed in.
Jean-Derp deCurrency
ISKesis Trust Fund
#206 - 2012-03-28 17:05:51 UTC
No .

The miner's apology will be enough ( don't mix internet spaceship and real life issues, don't try to make people feel guilty because you've been dumb )
JusFooling Around
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#207 - 2012-03-28 17:06:05 UTC
Florestan Bronstein wrote:
JusFooling Around wrote:
I am confused.

Mittani says he did a bad thing, used the word horrible, expressed great regret revulsed by what he did

Now his followers coma along and argue with him about it, calling it trivial, no big deal, nothing to be concerned about

I guess this is the history of the downfall of Eve's big corps. The leadership loses the confidence of the rank and file and they toss him to the curb, or the leadership loots the corp and walks away when he sees the members starting to grumble

They must be really mad at him as they have refuted every word he has said after the taping and kinda sobered up. I guess they like him shitfaced drunk better than sober

you might want to entertain the thought that the "revulsion" thing was the mittani's message to the public while his message to the alliance talked about "stupid media hit pieces"

different strategies for internal and external communications - what a revolutionary concept



So, you are saying that he cannot distinguish between his real world self who he describes as Alexander with responsibilities as a representative of all Eve players who must be ready to perform the duties of an elected member of the CSM and the role he plays in a fantasy world of a game who he describes as a psychotic evil Mittani because it fits well for the make believe of the game? Essentially, you are saying he cannot tell the difference between fantasy and real life

You go on to say the apology was just something he said to the public, but his real message to the alliance seems to contradict any sincerity which may be seen in the apology

So help us out here and tell me how I missed anything you may have said

Somehow, I think players want to hear from Alexander Gianturco when he is speaking as a CSM and from Mittani when he is roleplaying a psychotic evil doer in a fantasy space ship game. After all, that is how he explained it when he apologized. And now you are telling me that Alexander Gianturco really exists to assist the fantasy character achieve his goals as a crazy ass sumbitch. To carry that to its logical next step, you are saying Alexander is not representing all eve players on the CSM, but Mittani sits on the CSM to further his evil doings in support of his alliance.
Magnus Orin
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#208 - 2012-03-28 17:13:34 UTC
26/10,059

Not bad, but you still have a ways to go OP.
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
#209 - 2012-03-28 17:21:29 UTC
Even though I dislike the goons, and I think the Mitanni has reaped what he sows to some degree on this issue, this is the atmosphere that CCP claims to want in their game; cuthoat and hardcore, where bullying in game, and apparently in the metagame is enabled.

Given that CCP wants this stuff, I'll say no.
JusFooling Around
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#210 - 2012-03-28 17:32:46 UTC  |  Edited by: JusFooling Around
I like how the 10059 votes gets tossed around so easily.

But when I looked at the demographics of voters, I found over 8400 voters were from accounts less than 30 days old. One of the largest groups of that particular demographic.

It is wonderful for such raw noobs to feel a civic duty to vote in an election on issues they really know nothing about.

Of course, they may just have been a flood signups to the conveniently timed buddy plan whose main character signed them up just to buy a vote. Using plexes to fund another spot in the line at the polls is a very economical way to buy an election. I wonder how many of those voting 30 day old accounts will be around beyond the end of the special buddy plan period?

How revolutionary would that be?
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#211 - 2012-03-28 17:35:24 UTC
No, and my money is on Issler stepping down first in a big huff because no one will take him/her seriously on the CSM after this.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#212 - 2012-03-28 17:42:18 UTC
JusFooling Around wrote:
I like how the 10059 votes gets tossed around so easily.

But when I looked at the demographics of voters, I found over 8400 voters were from accounts less than 30 days old. One of the largest groups of that particular demographic.


I hate to demolish the premise of your logic, but that statistic you saw means they were older than 30 days but less than 250.

You couldn't vote this time around if you weren't at least 30 days old iirc.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Zathryon
Amarr General Drilling and Construction
#213 - 2012-03-28 17:49:51 UTC
look, I hate the Mittani and everything he stands for...on the other hand I totally respect a voted official. I voted for Mittani the first time. And even though I dont like him I respect his ability to get **** done.

that said, I think CCP has a hard line to play. I really dont want to disenfranchise a lot of voters who genuinely wanted Mittani. However, leaving Mittani as a representative of CCP and EVE is going to be a big blemish on their record. Whether you want it or not, Mittani is going to represent the company and I'm not sure if a small company like CCP can afford that, especially when they are on the cusp of someting huge. Also, consider that if CCP does allow him to continue the media response is likely to be that CCP allows or even condones this kind of behavior. Bad publicity can make or break any company. I'm NOT saying Mittan=CCP death, there is NO WAY I could know that. However, I think the possibility exists and I dont think its worth it.

There is a completely objective reason for voting yes for Mittani's resignation.
JusFooling Around
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#214 - 2012-03-28 17:52:01 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
JusFooling Around wrote:
I like how the 10059 votes gets tossed around so easily.

But when I looked at the demographics of voters, I found over 8400 voters were from accounts less than 30 days old. One of the largest groups of that particular demographic.


I hate to demolish the premise of your logic, but that statistic you saw means they were older than 30 days but less than 250.

You couldn't vote this time around if you weren't at least 30 days old iirc.



I totally apologize, I will look again at the demographics, when I have time but I did not want to wait on my apology until I return from my up upcoming road trip which departs soon.

Thank you for setting me straight in such a cordial manner.
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#215 - 2012-03-28 17:52:02 UTC
Yes,

Given all my reasonings in other threads so no need to repeat them.
Josefius
13th Tribe of Kobol Expeditionary
#216 - 2012-03-28 18:00:13 UTC
IBTL

You have enemies? Good, that means you stood up for something, sometime in your life.

-Winston Churchill
Lexmana
#217 - 2012-03-28 18:01:54 UTC
JusFooling Around wrote:
But when I looked at the demographics of voters, I found over 8400 voters were from accounts less than 30 days old.


Haha. You really believe that? With such biased reading and thinking I am amazed you managed to register for this game.
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
#218 - 2012-03-28 18:03:42 UTC
Yes...

Then have him banned from EVE. Big smile
Ivana Twinkle
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#219 - 2012-03-28 18:07:04 UTC
i dont vote unless i can vote checkbox
Hotaru Yamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#220 - 2012-03-28 18:09:38 UTC
Ivana Twinkle wrote:
i dont vote unless i can vote checkbox