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CSM 7 - We Should Not Accept This Behavior!!

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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#361 - 2012-03-28 13:05:01 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
The problem is he seems to have really hit a nerve with some people, on cyber bullying with some people wanting him arrested. .


The only thing that hit anyone's nerve was seeing the name "The Mittani" with more than double the amount of votes as the next highest candidate when the results were announced on Saturday. "GoonWaffe" and "Goonswarm Federation" probably didn't help either.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#362 - 2012-03-28 13:06:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Frying Doom wrote:
Also it would be picked up by the media for sure that CCP is soft on cyber bullying and death threats.
The funny/paradoxical thing about that is that, at this point, they'd probably be far better served to show their stance by banning a large swathe of the Mittens-hater crew than going after Mittens. They can't, of course, since that would blow up spectacularly and I haven't have the chance to invest in any tinfoil business yet, but still…


edit: Correction. I do have investments in the tinfoil industry. I though they were mainly into copper and iron. So go ahead! Twisted
Frying Doom
#363 - 2012-03-28 13:18:55 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
The problem is he seems to have really hit a nerve with some people, on cyber bullying with some people wanting him arrested. .


The only thing that hit anyone's nerve was seeing the name "The Mittani" with more than double the amount of votes as the next highest candidate when the results were announced on Saturday. "GoonWaffe" and "Goonswarm Federation" probably didn't help either.


I have heard the goons go on and on about the number of votes he got but really it is less than 3% of the games population and it doesn't really matter as he got the number 1 spot, by 1 vote or 10 million doesn't matter much.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Frying Doom
#364 - 2012-03-28 13:20:18 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Also it would be picked up by the media for sure that CCP is soft on cyber bullying and death threats.
The funny/paradoxical thing about that is that, at this point, they'd probably be far better served to show their stance by banning a large swathe of the Mittens-hater crew than going after Mittens. They can't, of course, since that would blow up spectacularly and I haven't have the chance to invest in any tinfoil business yet, but still…


edit: Correction. I do have investments in the tinfoil industry. I though they were mainly into copper and iron. So go ahead! Twisted

You are probably right.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Killer Gandry
Fenghuang Corporation
Ethnobotanical Demonolatry
#365 - 2012-03-28 13:28:48 UTC
Issler, seeing you are becomming a target in the media aswel now, can we expect your resignation?

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#366 - 2012-03-28 13:28:53 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
I have heard the goons go on and on about the number of votes he got but really it is less than 3% of the games population and it doesn't really matter as he got the number 1 spot, by 1 vote or 10 million doesn't matter much.


It really does matter, though given how politically clueless you were with the whole Issler campaign thing, I'm not surprised you don't get that. ANYWAY, moving on...

The point was that the words themselves weren't the source of outrage, it was the person who said them. If it well and truly was the words, the outpouring of rage that took off on Monday would have happened within minutes of him actually saying what he did. Funny how that didn't happen, though.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["

Killer Gandry
Fenghuang Corporation
Ethnobotanical Demonolatry
#367 - 2012-03-28 13:37:39 UTC
Just to be clear about my personal stance.

Regardless who. If I would have seen ANYONE with influence on a larger part of EVE say those things I would have done exactly the same.

I myself don't care who you are. I would even do the same if the player who went over the line were my brother. This isn't about liking or not liking for me. This is about right and wrong for me.

Those ingame who know me know this to be true. Those who don't know me I actually don't care what they think of my actions in this.

However I do mind the way this community is behaving towards someone who's already down.
I look at Issler and Darius as opportunists who just are after their personal agenda's and lost track of the better for EVE and the community. But also as people who lost sight that behind The Mittani is a person.

They show calousness in this matter and without any remorse keep firing just to further their own goals.

Those who voted for those 2 should take a step back and rethink if these 2 are actually representing the community and the game.
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#368 - 2012-03-28 13:47:49 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
War Kitten wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Just to show that the Mittani really loves us all

92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, While I have the spaceship council work on their pleas for my resignation pledge retraction I need my "lolapology thread" locked or otherwise removed from front page. Till further notice spam Roadhouse references until publord scum rage out and burn the thread.

*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***


LOL

You got trolled by a serious internet spaceships brothel pimp that thinks she's relevant. Learn to internet and stop believing the first thing you read.


Well it was satire for a reason you know. Who knows WHY the goons all started trying to derail those threads. My post might have reflected reality, might not, but it did have the desired effect and managed to get things back on topic so :shrugs: did the job.


Jade, the Roadhouse spam came out of the MichaeltheRed's internet tough guy posts, wherein he explained to the Goonies that he would take them all on in a fist fight. And also that he is old enough to get into bars and gets into brawls.

If anything the Roadhouse spam was started by me. Because Roadhouse is just that awesome of a movie.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#369 - 2012-03-28 13:49:21 UTC
Killer Gandry wrote:
Just to be clear about my personal stance.

Regardless who. If I would have seen ANYONE with influence on a larger part of EVE say those things I would have done exactly the same.

I myself don't care who you are. I would even do the same if the player who went over the line were my brother. This isn't about liking or not liking for me. This is about right and wrong for me.

Those ingame who know me know this to be true. Those who don't know me I actually don't care what they think of my actions in this.

However I do mind the way this community is behaving towards someone who's already down.
I look at Issler and Darius as opportunists who just are after their personal agenda's and lost track of the better for EVE and the community. But also as people who lost sight that behind The Mittani is a person.

They show calousness in this matter and without any remorse keep firing just to further their own goals.

Those who voted for those 2 should take a step back and rethink if these 2 are actually representing the community and the game.


FYI, mostall of the people who voted for Darius III were scammed into it. Much like last year.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#370 - 2012-03-28 13:52:35 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
War Kitten wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Just to show that the Mittani really loves us all

92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, While I have the spaceship council work on their pleas for my resignation pledge retraction I need my "lolapology thread" locked or otherwise removed from front page. Till further notice spam Roadhouse references until publord scum rage out and burn the thread.

*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***


LOL

You got trolled by a serious internet spaceships brothel pimp that thinks she's relevant. Learn to internet and stop believing the first thing you read.


Well it was satire for a reason you know. Who knows WHY the goons all started trying to derail those threads. My post might have reflected reality, might not, but it did have the desired effect and managed to get things back on topic so :shrugs: did the job.


Jade, the Roadhouse spam came out of the MichaeltheRed's internet tough guy posts, wherein he explained to the Goonies that he would take them all on in a fist fight. And also that he is old enough to get into bars and gets into brawls.

If anything the Roadhouse spam was started by me. Because Roadhouse is just that awesome of a movie.


lol fair enough then :)

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#371 - 2012-03-28 13:56:29 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
War Kitten wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Just to show that the Mittani really loves us all

92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, While I have the spaceship council work on their pleas for my resignation pledge retraction I need my "lolapology thread" locked or otherwise removed from front page. Till further notice spam Roadhouse references until publord scum rage out and burn the thread.

*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***


LOL

You got trolled by a serious internet spaceships brothel pimp that thinks she's relevant. Learn to internet and stop believing the first thing you read.


Well it was satire for a reason you know. Who knows WHY the goons all started trying to derail those threads. My post might have reflected reality, might not, but it did have the desired effect and managed to get things back on topic so :shrugs: did the job.


Jade, the Roadhouse spam came out of the MichaeltheRed's internet tough guy posts, wherein he explained to the Goonies that he would take them all on in a fist fight. And also that he is old enough to get into bars and gets into brawls.

If anything the Roadhouse spam was started by me. Because Roadhouse is just that awesome of a movie.


lol fair enough then :)



The guy was being a huge redneck and giving the southern states an even worse reputation than they already have.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]

Frying Doom
#372 - 2012-03-28 14:02:05 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
I have heard the goons go on and on about the number of votes he got but really it is less than 3% of the games population and it doesn't really matter as he got the number 1 spot, by 1 vote or 10 million doesn't matter much.


It really does matter, though given how politically clueless you were with the whole Issler campaign thing, I'm not surprised you don't get that. ANYWAY, moving on...

The point was that the words themselves weren't the source of outrage, it was the person who said them. If it well and truly was the words, the outpouring of rage that took off on Monday would have happened within minutes of him actually saying what he did. Funny how that didn't happen, though.

The CSM election was just that an election. I deliberately went for the conspiracy nuts, homophobic's and haters of a certain WW2 german political party and then sympathy. It was spin to see how much an election could be altered by some utter crap. Given the result I would say it worked. So the election is kind of easy for a nutter to swing how much attention should really be paid to an organizations ability to get votes.

It is partly the person because some people hate him, some want to see him in jail over this. Some from hate some from hatred of cyber bullying. The majority of people are against him now because of cyber bullying and the fact it was real life in front of cameras with him telling people to get someone to kill them selves.

As for it would of happened there, that would depend on how drunk the crowd was and if anyone there was listening. It kicked off from the American TZ and it was broadcast all over the planet. Actually Im surprised a christian league of some kind hasn't weighed in yet.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Andrea Griffin
#373 - 2012-03-28 14:06:25 UTC
Issler, although I agree with you on several points, I don't agree with this thread. The CSM should discuss the matter internally and produce a combined statement about the matter. It is important that the CSM has a unified front otherwise you guys end up looking like a bunch of bickering brats.

Although I did consider voting for you this time around, this kind of unprofessional behavior ensures that will never happen in the future.
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#374 - 2012-03-28 14:08:47 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
[As for it would of happened there, that would depend on how drunk the crowd was and if anyone there was listening. It kicked off from the American TZ and it was broadcast all over the planet. Actually Im surprised a christian league of some kind hasn't weighed in yet.


We're talking a difference of DAYS, and you're talking about timezones?

Also if you're going to be surprised any time some form of non-gaming media doesn't touch this story with a ten foot clown pole, you might want to get some heart pills ready because it's going to keep happening.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["

Frying Doom
#375 - 2012-03-28 14:12:50 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
[As for it would of happened there, that would depend on how drunk the crowd was and if anyone there was listening. It kicked off from the American TZ and it was broadcast all over the planet. Actually Im surprised a christian league of some kind hasn't weighed in yet.


We're talking a difference of DAYS, and you're talking about timezones?

Also if you're going to be surprised any time some form of non-gaming media doesn't touch this story with a ten foot clown pole, you might want to get some heart pills ready because it's going to keep happening.

I wasn't talking about media I was talking about Christians with protestors, blogs. Suicide is a sin ect...

As to why it took days as I have said before buggered if I know. When I first saw it, it was a tiny story.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

My Neutral Toon
Doomheim
#376 - 2012-03-28 14:14:39 UTC
Revolution Rising wrote:
Totally agree. CCP should be taking him out of CSM altogether and he should be left with a feeling that he's lucky he still has his accounts.

People have been banned for less.



People have not been banned for less, as Mittens didn't break the EULA. CCP has no grounds to ban him from game. This isnt WoW

...Can't. Tell. If ...Troll? Or Serious....

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Killer Gandry
Fenghuang Corporation
Ethnobotanical Demonolatry
#377 - 2012-03-28 14:16:27 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
As to why it took days as I have said before buggered if I know. When I first saw it, it was a tiny story.


So if the story had remained tiny you wouldn't have bothered to post an opinion. But now that it is huge you can't wait to
Macon Chalaise
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#378 - 2012-03-28 14:35:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Macon Chalaise
Politically (in)correct compromise:

1.) Two Step moves up to #1 and the chair.
2.) UAxDEATH moves up to #7. (Had Hans originally. Going to practice my ordinals...)
3.) Mittens drops to #14.
4.) Move on. It's a game.

Here's to fire. Not the fast and furious kind that burns down shacks and shanties, but the slow, seductive kind that takes down pants and panties - Irish Toast

Tobias Sjodin
Apocalyptic Theorem
#379 - 2012-03-28 14:47:57 UTC
So much holier than thou in this thread.

Ronald Reagan: I do not like Sweden, they support communism. Minister: Sir, but Sweden are anti-communist, Sir.  Ronald Reagan: I do not care what kind of communists they are.

Revolution Rising
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#380 - 2012-03-28 14:54:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Revolution Rising
Tippia wrote:
JamesCLK wrote:
You'd be seeing those threads anyway; people are going to be mad at Mittens regardless of the outcome.
People need to learn to forgive and forget - and let the CSM do their job.
People were mad at Mittens before this; they were mad at Mittens during the presentation; they were mad at Mittens while the CSM announcement was made; and they'll continue to be mad at him.

The kind of witch-hunt that has grown out of his misstep more and more has the air of people finally getting a tiny gripping point that they can try to pry on to get some kind of release for all that anger and a sliver of hope that maybe they can hurt him… and that's why what they're doing is no better than what he did.

The thread in response to the actual presentation and statement, compared to the furious flood of threads that came after he had been re-elected, makes it abundantly clear that this is no longer a matter of what he said or did, and has everything to do with politics and getting revenge.


This is just about stomping on a particular type of behaviour outside of the game. It wouldn't matter who had done this.

The fact that it was Mittani speaks more to the fact that people disliked him FOR THE RIGHT REASONS.

if you wish to try and pronounce that this was a "tiny gripping point" that's fine. I can see how the tiny brains of the fellow sociopaths that follow mittani can see it that way.

If you wish to see how the world sees it, merely check out your local gaming site to read what they have to say about it - certainly they have ALL picked up on it by now. Showing that it is not some "tiny gripping point".

Grow the **** up guys.

This is my ISP - not even a gaming site I regularly visit - but my ISP's take on it:
http://games.on.net/article/15232/EVE_Online_SM_Council_Chairman_to_Resign_After_Public_Mockery_of_Suicidal_Player_at_Fanfest

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