EVE General Discussion

You are absolutly correct, i shall go and biomass myself immeadiatly.
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EVE Skills:
Perfectly hitting a 20 meter or so radius target from several hundred km away in orbit might sound a bit difficult to do, so maybe the strike would not always hit exactly on target. There could be a skill that increases the accuracy of the bombardment, for example maybe a 20% accuracy increase per level. Base accuracy could be something like 50%.

A low accuracy would simply reduce the probability of striking the intended location. For example a 50% accuracy would mean that typically, 50% of the bombardment would strike the intended location. What about the other 50% of the shells that miss? Well, they could impact anywhere really, possibly damaging both allies and enemies.

So if you have this skill at level 5, and maybe high levels of similar skills, DUST players will revel in your awesomeness and continually make contracts with you. But you would also charge a higher fee, of course

DUST Modules:
On the DUST side of the game there could be some modules that infantry could deploy which affect the effectiveness of OB:

-An EWAR-type targeting sensor jammer which prevents orbital strikes for a certain amount of time, or at least reduces the accuracy of the strike.

-There could also be another DUST module that creates a "fake" sensor image which has a chance to provoke the orbital strike to target the "fake" area instead of the intended one.

So far the ideas I love are.

Drones and fighters.

E WAR modules for dust bunnies. My idea for this category would be an extension of the mentioned iteration of the recon/scout battlefield role. A module that could detect target painters in operation (the target painters would have a decent length cycle time) and then flag that bunny for his DUSTmates to primary.

Make it Risky. Though Im sure eve players as long as they can warp to the bombardier will make this risky. An option here could be that a bombardment will use all your cap up, or have some other drawback like rigs do.

Friendly Fire. A MUST PLEASE!

Stronger effects planet-side. If its hard enough to pull off the rewards should equal that effort.

Orbital Bombardment -



I'm thinkin Steatlh bombers, New Destroyer Hull "Heavy Bomber", Battleships and Dreads should have the capability to "nuke from orbit"



The Stealth Bombers and Heavy Bombers will fire a few different bomb types and typically will be the "get in and get out" type orbital strike. Good for hitting clustered troops, choke points and such. Maybe have them uncloak and be stationary for 30 seconds or so to "line up the shot" or something equally fluff worthy. Munition type would be cluster bombs, frag bombs and maybe incidiaries. The Bombers would NOT do much in the way of structure or anti "heavy" vehicle damage. Also they have to reset every time they fire (I.E. Reload which might take a bit with the new bombardment launchers and get back into position thus ensuring the Dust Bunnies are not just going to be bombed to death)



Battleships and Dreads on the other hand are going to be the big guns. I like the idea of siege modules being used, special one for the Bship and the dread can just slot a script of some sort. Either way they will both become immobilized. The dusties will have to paint your target and give you time to lock on "every time a target is painted it must remain painted long enough for the ship in orbit to lock on" type deal and as we all know, this takes a bit of time for a Dread. Once locked the Dread or BS can then unleash hellish judgement upon the ground...basically unless it's got some serious shielding and/or armor, everything in that hit is going to be atomized in a spectacular and loud fashion. Again, due to the nature of the bombardment munitions it'll take a bit for this option to be up and running again, but the siege module lets you sit there and fire from a stationary position vice being repositioned every time like a bomber



Cons - Fitting orbital bombardment equipment to your ship makes you less capable in space combat...making you a very tempting target. The bombers will have to choose between a regular bomb launcher or a bombardment launcher. The Bship will be hurt by fitting the Bombardment Computer and a Bombardment gun of some sort, the Dread on the otherhand is pretty much purpose made for this and it's only disadvantage will be switching ammo and being in Siege

Also, as it's one battlefield in one fairly small area, there is only one real place to be bombarding it from. As such both attacking side ships and defending side ships will be duking it out for the space (can you say tasty bombing targets?). When a Dust battlefield becomes active, it creates a warpable object in the overview. Overall this should nicely increase the chance for fights in Low Sec and Null-Sec. Extra bonus points if the Dusties get to see fleets duking it out above them CCP :).



Also, bombing planets should not be a "drive by" affair and as such should be somewhat pricey (think 10 times a bomb cost maybe?) and it will require interaction with the dusties in some form. Also, I'm guessing no matter what you do you should take a sec hit as dropping all sorts of hate on a planet from above has GOT to be a crime against humanity. Imagine if you miss and hit a populated area instead? Yeah sec hit

For countering, why not give the people on the ground the ability to fire some sort of electronic "cloud" over the area which disrupts the ability to hit properly? The EVE player can still fire, but it will be a blind shot pretty much. This will shield the people from possibly having a dust strike on them and it may end up hitting the other dust people. But with activating this, it disrupts the ability to aim and the functionality of the dust equipment. It will still work but not as effectively. It would only disrupt the people who were about to be fired upon by the orbital strike.

Basically by doing this, you create a lot of risk for all parties and will make things very interesting...

So glad I find the important threads....like a week too late.

Read some great suggestions here, but I haven't read them all. No offence, guys and girls, these are twelve pages we are talking about. Now this is my hitlist, having attended fanfest and played DUST514....terribly, but I won with Team Haggis !

Fire

• My take on friendly fire ( MUST have friendly fire ) : I like Grideris' suggestion of showing the EVE player the battle field map, I would expect it much like mercs see it in-game. Thus you require communication via landmarks which can go wrong -- intentionally or accidentally.
• Friendly fire using targeting systems : automatic targeting I think should be possible, too. Maybe the Capsuleers on grid would not only see the location "painted" by the mercs, but also the mercs sending the signal themselves ? The Capsuleers could then simply choose in the overview whether to lock onto the target, or backstab by locking onto the guy who's carrying the equipment.
• Special ammunition, yes, but use the same guns. Limit the bombarding ship by requiring some sort of "orbital siege mode", give damage from athomspheric friction, ammunition/crystal specific for bombardment, targeting module's CPU-need.
• I want to see different visuals on the ground for different gun/ammunition types hitting. Potentially as well for the Capsuleers : show us different athmospheric resonance from the shots going down.
• A bombarding ship that is being sensor dampened may not hit the target on ground precisely.

Grid pain

• I read that the orbital bombardment warp-in was "lower" than the planet warp in. I like that ! Have a planet warp-in and a district warp-in. Require that ships go to planet warp-in first and then continue from there.
• While the planet rotates, you only see that rotation at planet warp-in. The ships at the district warp in would not have to be "visible" from the planet warp-in -- just show them on the overview of a ship that is at planet warp-in.
• A district should have a warp-in tied to it, regardless whether a structure is in space or not. So just show districts on the ship's overview.
• While at a district warp-in, ships could take damage from atmospheric friction. This could be different per planet/planet type.
• A ship in orbit at the planet's warp-in, could see changing distances on the overview for ships that are at any district's warp-in, depending on the planet's rotation. After all, I heard you want to match the visuals on the ground ( battle going on = explosions and smoke visible from orbit ) with the rotation; so the distance information which changes due to rotation ( planet warp-in --> district warp-in ) could be calculated at run-time and be "approximate".
--> but in total : do not visually rotate the planet for Capsuleers who are a district warp in.

If Dust gets none tempret planets in 2013 OB effects should mirror the new planets environments. If the battle field is under water you should see the OB spawn a trail of gas bubbles representing the vaporized water

On lava planets the OB lights up the smog filled sky like a lightning strike, this should also go for storm planets, and night battlefields

Als
-If Dusk mercs have the proper module equipped they should be able to see the strike radius of the incoming OB no mater what side they are on. This may not save them if they are directly in the middle of the circle, but it would give them advance warning it was coming and those on the outside of the OB radius could steer clear. Considering this would take up a module spot it would not be overpowered as only those who had it equipped would see it as most would oped for another module

-The impact of the OB (depending on the side of the bombardment) should effect the Dust battlefield concussion waves that knocks those to close to the bast to the ground with slight damage, and tremors that affects aim further out.

A lot of incredible idea’s mates, keep them comin.

Some of mine…

different ammo's/guns is defiantly a good idea, fire-storm an area or a EMP launch to wipe out all vehicles, standard rounds for normal effects, chemical/radioactive shells, so on.

On the topic of using Battleships, or dreads or what not, I’m thinking (excluding Titans "nuke it all" ability) a new Capital ship class "battle Barge series" with new ships and fittings. Creates a few people angry over not being able to just warp in on a normal ship and shoot, but makes it so not everyone and their bro have the ability. Have the ship, warp it, pick your orbit type(MEO,GEO) and aid those on the ground with bombardments, recons, EMP’s, so on.

as for the positioning around planets, I think the eve players should have to orbit around the planet to get to the site where it’s needed then siege mode set up, then get the targeting down(should take longer depended on targeting skills) then shoot which ever weapon is fitted. makes it so if two factions control halves of a sphere around a planet the eve battles going on under it will be influenced by those (unless one faction wipes the other out and takes control of the space around the planet.)

Back stabbing (quote Nova Fox) would be cool, good idea mate.

Chain of Command, Bombardments should be called in by battlefield commander, the cmdr calls it in and a player in EVE has to go to the cords and lock onto the target and fire, the battlefield commander should have targeting skills where he relays the target (if no or low level targeting skills it might hit for friendly fire, Same for the EVE player.)

The defensive team should have the ability to move a mobile (EWV) Electronic Warfare vehicle or ship (maybe similar to a MCC?) if skills are high enough they might have the option of slightly altering enemy targeting to move it back at the attackers. Jam EVE player sight/recon and more things like that.

planet defense should have anti-(Battle barge) and a large anti space weapon like seen in the original DUST 514 video shooting up and wiping out a ship it should be able to seriously damage a titan (maybe a series of ground structures ranging from Light arty for frigates to insanely large Cannons that look more like skyscrapers to nearly take down a titan [obviously costing a **** ton to make]) and possibly anti-warp generators on the planet? (build as a PI type thing)

Collateral damage should be AMAZINGLY costly to balance out the cost/benefit ratio of EVE players shooting at the planets

the "nuke everything option" should just turn into a deserted battlefield where only key geographical features are fought over or a EVE battle(the soldiers are in suits that could probably withstand radiation(maybe the radiation would make it so only medium and heavy armor is usable?) and this is only achievable by titans on top of that maybe a mother ship could launch all of its bombers to carpet bomb the living hell out of an area again and again until there’s nothing left, more resources are needed but it wouldn’t wipe an entire planet out, maybe just a district.

The targeting system should look bad ass like. Particularly like in the first Star Wars battlefront when you choose a mission and it zero's in on the target using parallel lines coming in.

Squad leaders can call in a drone bombing run and the Commander can call in a drone carpet bombing and orbital arty and so on.

(Quote Kel Hound) that is a good idea!(DUST PvE modes) an EVE player possibly coming around to help(maybe as training for moving into nullsec? training in high sec asteroid bases or something like that.)

as for the range of orbit around a planet, i think it should be put at or between a MEO(medium Earth Orbit)(for slow earth orbiting) or a GEO(Geo-Stationary orbit/Geo-Synchronous)(for sitting on one point on earth or one point in space) positions like satellites around earth.

like mentioned in the "Seeding the Universe" presentation at fanfest, the EVE players will see explosions and what not on a planet, likewise the DUST players should be able to look into the sky and see ships blowing each other to pieces. While not actual ships in eve just a skybox animation or something.
district wide shield generators and large scale surface to space weapons, etc. should cost a lot to build (more or less dependent on size) and Dust/Eve Cmdr (who ever is coordinating the planetary siege strategy) can send an entire strike force or a small black ops team (black ops team being maybe 10 players per team for 20 minutes or something). This makes it so strategy is involved so that if you want mother ships and cap ships blowing the hell out of everything your team HAS for fight for that ability, not just....warp in.....shoot the battlefield to bits.....warp out.

A few people from this forum talking to game designers over skype or TS or something would be cool too XD.

Hey, do I get a notification if my OB scores a headshot?

The Assembly Hall post has en Executive Summary of the TL:DR, its like 3 lines.