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Is Dodixie dying?

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BolsterBomb
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-03-26 17:44:44 UTC
I used to station trade in dodixie about 8 months ago and was able to fill my orders and flip pretty well. I mainly did PI at that time and some t2 mods.

Went in there this weekend and still havent gotten my orders filled and I stay on top of the .01 isk game.

Is it dying? Is Amar like this?

Brig General of The Caldari State

"Don" Bolsterbomb

Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation

Aurel Svenson
Cyclone Solutions
#2 - 2012-03-26 17:58:58 UTC
What were you doing in the meantime?

I remember back when I worked out of Rens it was friggin' NYC to me.

Spent two weeks trading in Jita, returned to Rens, now Hickville...



Check quantitative figures to see if it's dying. Compare sales/day of several products now and 8 months ago, but also remember that it might vary with time of year and other things.
Herman Klaus
Touched By Klaus
#3 - 2012-03-26 18:04:29 UTC
Its dying. Sell orders getting higher and buy orders lower. Like any old back alley system.
Johnny Frecko
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-03-26 18:11:35 UTC
mission runners took their business elsewhere, to incursions to be exact.
Shar Tegral
#5 - 2012-03-26 18:12:43 UTC
Dodixie's strength lay in the high quality agents available. Now this availability is no longer unique to Dodixie. However Ninja looters still infest Dodixie. All the more reason for missioners to vacate to lesser known, less crowded, but equally as rewarding systems.

Thus yes, Dodixie is not the singular point of interest that it used to be in days gone by.
Adunh Slavy
#6 - 2012-03-26 19:41:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Adunh Slavy
BolsterBomb wrote:
Is Amar like this?



Some sectors in amarr have picked up, others lag

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Aina Sasaki
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-03-26 21:54:26 UTC
BolsterBomb wrote:
I used to station trade in dodixie about 8 months ago and was able to fill my orders and flip pretty well. I mainly did PI at that time and some t2 mods.

Went in there this weekend and still havent gotten my orders filled and I stay on top of the .01 isk game.

Is it dying? Is Amar like this?



Amarr has been pretty busy as far as I have seen. It certainly was this weekend. :o

It sucks that Dodixie is dying out though. Does that mean that Gallente space soon won't have any real decent trade hubs? :(

- Rei

Tobiaz
Spacerats
#8 - 2012-03-26 22:04:23 UTC
Shar Tegral wrote:
Dodixie's strength lay in the high quality agents available. Now this availability is no longer unique to Dodixie. However Ninja looters still infest Dodixie. All the more reason for missioners to vacate to lesser known, less crowded, but equally as rewarding systems.

Thus yes, Dodixie is not the singular point of interest that it used to be in days gone by.



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Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-03-27 02:03:07 UTC
All the Hubs are Jita resale points. The odd item will have a unique market but it's usually 5 or 10 items.

Solitude is still its own market but its so small nobody pays any attention. I doubt there are 100 buyers there.
fugazii
Slippery Penguin
#10 - 2012-03-27 06:55:49 UTC
Lets go back to Luminaire


DeliaPrescot
Balintol
#11 - 2012-03-27 07:24:02 UTC  |  Edited by: DeliaPrescot
No it's not. Just use Dotlan and check the current NPC kills around Dodi, like Auvergne and Agrallarier about 62k NPC kills in those systems alone. There are some other Gallente Hubs in Verge Vendor and Essence but those ones are splitted and don't even come near the NPC kills around Dodixie.

The problem with those Hubs like Juvfitte and Oursulaert is that they are out in the sticks it's not even funny. It's different with Minmatar, Rens will die and Hek will take it's place, maybe Lustrevik. It just takes some time until the last mission runner gets that Hek and surrounding systems have better sec status for missioning just check Dotlan.
Hek +2jumps about 90k NPC kills
Rens +2jumps about 100k NPC kills but the numbers moved to Lustrevik
Lustrevik +2jumps about 150k NPC Kills

In other words Gallente is split up in 3 different Regions, i don't see any other Hub taking Dodis place soon.

Edit:
I thought Dodi would die, too after CCP changed the Agents quality but it didn't happened.
Shar Tegral
#12 - 2012-03-27 10:47:04 UTC
DeliaPrescot wrote:
The problem with those Hubs like Juvfitte and Oursulaert is that they are out in the sticks it's not even funny.
Yesterday I talked about perspective, I pick up that same topic again today.

It is interesting to think Oursulaert as being out in the sticks. From my perspective it is ideally located. It is an easy hub on the way from Jita. It is a short distance to Verge, Everyshore, Sinq, "Northern" Genesis, and Minmatar space. It has ALOT of stations so there's corp hangars available and there's plenty of factories and labs in or around it.

Of course Oursulaert is almost an example of what is happening to Dodixie. Dodixie grew up and started to drain market traffic from Oursulaert. Oursulaert still continues to be a hub however in a much lesser degree than it used to be in the distant past. I point out "distant past" because even with all the time that has gone by it is still a hub.

I suspect that it is still a hub primarily because of the qualities I mentioned and the fact that it is listed on Eve Market Hub lists. What happens with the list is that new players bounce to those locations listed and thus even some "old" spots stay active from momentum.

But like I said, to see someone call Oursulaert the "boonies" is humorous to me...


... from my perspective.
DeliaPrescot
Balintol
#13 - 2012-03-27 11:31:41 UTC  |  Edited by: DeliaPrescot
I know the history of Oursulaert, i tested the water there after the Agents change not long ago, not enough profit for the hassle. As i said i thought Dodi would die due to better sec status elsewhere and Oursulaert and surrounding systems have a better sec status than Dodi and it's surroundings but it seems it is not significant enough to attract mission runners in numbers.

From a travel point of view Oursulaert is just fine but it lacks the numbers so it's kinda in the boondocks. Still the main problem Gallente has that the good systems are fairly spread between 3 regions or like Juvfitte are a dead end.

I did a research after the agent change:
Highest priority were corps with a good LP shop. Like shops were you get 3000ISK/LP per module via Blueprints.
Second priority were lowest sec status possibly, like 0.5 or 0.6 systems and checking the real sec status here http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/solarsystem.php
Third priority was the constellation for possibly hits do not contain any lowsec system for obvious reasons.

Best possible systems for Gallente are Amygnon and Scheenins and that is Jufvitte as centre system, all the other factions have very good systems close to established trade hubs.

I should sell the info first but i guess for Gallente i can post it:
Corp / System / Region / sec

Aliastra / Siyi / Tash-Murkon / 0,509
Federal Administration / Charmerout / Essence / 0,554
Astral Mining Inc. / Arraron / Verge Vendor / 0,5
The Scope / Neesher / Kor-Azor / 0,5
The Scope / Heorah / Genesis / 0,5
Garoun Investment Bank / Amygnon / Verge Vendor / 0,637 (actually 2x LvL 4 Agents, same system)
Roden Shipyards / Scheenins / Verge Vendor / 0,537

Some system looks very good like Siyi or Neesher but those two ones are so far away from any trade hub, south central would be Walmart and of course are in Amarr space not a good idea if you plan to run faction missions and ruin your faction status towards Amarr.
BolsterBomb
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-03-27 13:46:48 UTC
It just boggles my mind that Dodixie could be used for station trading not too long ago and now its hard to fill 500m in buy orders.

I know when i was a gal mil we used to use dodixe all the time since we couldnt get into jita. Now its quite. There are quite a bit of people in dodixie (most likely missioners like you mentioned) however it may be a place where you simply buy loot instead of t2 mods, etc now for resale.

Id simply like to get out of jita and expand. I find that I can tie up to around 1.5b in jita before my profit starts shrinking after that.
(In high turnover good margin items)

Brig General of The Caldari State

"Don" Bolsterbomb

Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation

Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#15 - 2012-03-27 13:55:02 UTC
DeliaPrescot wrote:

Highest priority were corps with a good LP shop. Like shops were you get 3000ISK/LP per module via Blueprints.


Are those LP shops affected by people having CONCORD LP from incursions?
DeliaPrescot
Balintol
#16 - 2012-03-27 14:05:45 UTC  |  Edited by: DeliaPrescot
Scrapyard Bob wrote:
DeliaPrescot wrote:

Highest priority were corps with a good LP shop. Like shops were you get 3000ISK/LP per module via Blueprints.


Are those LP shops affected by people having CONCORD LP from incursions?


Might be when you can't get +4k ISK/Concord LP anymore until then Gallente webs and mag stabs should be fine. But i doubt that the Gallente LP shop will be the first one Concord LP will be dumped into, the tags are quite expansive. Easier profit can be made with Amarr and Minmatar, even better ISK/LP ratio but far less ISK to invest.

The 3k ISK/LP is before CCP patched the Contract glitch, right now it's more in the range of 2k to 2.5k if you are lucky. It's a bit tricky because West&Grey and the hatchery guys soaked up lots of faction stuff and caused an extra raise in the tag prices, now they are "normalizing" a little which means even more faction stuff will be build and taking prices down. In the long run faction stuff won't be profitable anymore with at best 1.5 ISK/LP ratio for Blueprint stuff, mabye even worse.
Shar Tegral
#17 - 2012-03-27 14:28:30 UTC
DeliaPrescot wrote:
Good stuff

I'm not an advocate for one system or another in this debate. But in equal measure numbers are not the sum total of any situation. Your argument acknowledges travel as a consideration then proceeds to discount it. Life in Eve is dominated by logistics. If you have none, or handle it badly, you have no life in Eve. Travel is a prime component of any logistical consideration.

What we think is irrelevant however... markets go where the people are, people go where the markets are. Determining where these two forces will intersect is not always open to easy determination by numbers.

My gut says Dodixie will continue to diminish because what made it significant has been removed.
BolsterBomb
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-03-27 14:37:47 UTC
Shar Tegral wrote:
DeliaPrescot wrote:
Good stuff

I'm not an advocate for one system or another in this debate. But in equal measure numbers are not the sum total of any situation. Your argument acknowledges travel as a consideration then proceeds to discount it. Life in Eve is dominated by logistics. If you have none, or handle it badly, you have no life in Eve. Travel is a prime component of any logistical consideration.

What we think is irrelevant however... markets go where the people are, people go where the markets are. Determining where these two forces will intersect is not always open to easy determination by numbers.

My gut says Dodixie will continue to diminish because what made it significant has been removed.



I dont know if it will die I belive it has one major shot left due to the gallente FW front. Gals have moved into Nenn which is not very far from Nourv/Jita. Its closer then Dodixie. If Caldari Militia kicks them out and moves the Gals back to Heydelies where they used to lie, the shorter route would be to dodixie not jita. Villore and Dixie used to be the prime markets for fw pplayers in gallente. I noticed that the time I left/came back the fw station had changed.

Maybe coincidence?

Brig General of The Caldari State

"Don" Bolsterbomb

Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation

DeliaPrescot
Balintol
#19 - 2012-03-27 15:01:53 UTC  |  Edited by: DeliaPrescot
Shar Tegral wrote:
DeliaPrescot wrote:
Good stuff

My gut says Dodixie will continue to diminish because what made it significant has been removed.


I think Dodi already dimished and it will be stable from now on, yes the main reason for Dodi as Gallente hub isn't anymore but because of no natural better system Dodi will be the main Gallente hub until some very rich trader/manufacture group decide to establish a new Gallente hub.

Btw. i still make my 1b profit/week in Dodi, from my sales point of view nothing had changed but i can't comment on the buying site.
Salarc
SalCorp
#20 - 2012-03-27 15:44:20 UTC
Number of different items and things in game is also killing hubs I think.
People just skip hubs and go to jita, often theres things not seeded in hubs you can only get from jita.

So many people these days are just skipping right past, with logistics so easy, you can just pile everything in one spot
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