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THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#141 - 2012-03-26 19:21:41 UTC
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:
So a guy mocked a crying carebear playing the sympathy card during 'fanfest' aka 'drinkfest - so what?

If the guy was GENUINELY suicidal, there is no way he would be playing Eve. Having been to the brink myself a few years back - and Im not joking, I was standing on the top of the bridge - a guy who is actually on the brink of suicide would not be playing a computer game, this was just a guy playing the sympathy card, fishing for isk or at least to be left alone to mine. In other words, worthy of being mocked.



Wait, you are saying that a suicidal guy would not be playing a video game and you know from experience because you were at that point. Why are you playing the game?

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
XavierVE
No Corporation for Old Spacemen
#142 - 2012-03-26 19:24:41 UTC
Walker Ahashion wrote:
What's there to investigate ? look at the video and see some guy in a wizard hat say something he should or shouldn't have.
Either act on it or don't.
End of investigation.


They have to investigate how long this will take to blow over so they can justify not doing anything to their buddy-boy Mittani.
Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#143 - 2012-03-26 19:27:26 UTC
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:
So a guy mocked a crying carebear playing the sympathy card during 'fanfest' aka 'drinkfest - so what?

If the guy was GENUINELY suicidal, there is no way he would be playing Eve. Having been to the brink myself a few years back - and Im not joking, I was standing on the top of the bridge - a guy who is actually on the brink of suicide would not be playing a computer game, this was just a guy playing the sympathy card, fishing for isk or at least to be left alone to mine. In other words, worthy of being mocked.


Being bullied in Eve or over Facebook makes no difference to the victim. People have died from bullying. You of all people should know better.
Tetragammatron Prime
Pink Sockers
#144 - 2012-03-26 19:30:00 UTC
If there are no consequences for this then I think it sends a message that it is fine to commit other hate crimes against minorities and the disabled. He should be banned in game or at the very least removed from CSM.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#145 - 2012-03-26 19:30:08 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
I see the Mittani / Goonswarm sycophants are out in force. Is it really so hard to admit that the guy messed up? Do you really have to dig the hole deeper?

Weaklings should not play Eve because the Goons and their ilk say so? And if they do, they should just take whatever punishment they get and deal with it? Where have I heard that before. Oh, right, it was on the playground just before somebody's fist caught my nose.

If you can actually justify this guy's showing the eve mail at the forum and inviting the audience to contact him and help him toward suicide, then you are a lost cause. If you don't think he should suffer consequences for this, you are not much of a human being either. What he did was wrong. What the CCP rep did was wrong in letting the panel happen after the eve mail was shown. Sure, we know that CCP can't prevent the use of in-game emails in general. But the fact that they couldn't stop one from being put up at a panel at their own Fanfest indicates they have a lot of thinking to do.

Defending him "just because" tells the rest of us how weak and faulty you are as a person. There is no "just because" that can explain this level of simple cruelty. Mittani did not need to show off this way, it was his choice to do so, even though he should have known better. He wanted to prove what a big man he is, and now he has stepped in it. Or on it.

If CCP lets this pass, then they will confirm that this game is not for decent people to play, even decent people who want to play at being a villain in the game. Is there even one word of apology from Mittani for this? I doubt it, but I'm not going to take the time to read all this stuff to find out.

When I screw up I say so. He has screwed up. Where is the statement that says so? If this were me, I would be all over these forums apologizing. And nobody would have to tell me that I had given up any right I had to run CSM. The only thing this man is fit to lead is lambs to the slaughter.

The day is coming when there will be physical fights at Fanfest over in-game issues. This game raises that kind of emotions in people, and creates grudges in players that will never go away. I expect any game does that to a degree, but this one does so deliberately. CCP has to find some way to say that the behavior is acceptable in the game but not at Fanfest or anywhere else in real life.



This, they still think this is a game and are doubling down on stupid and evil.

They dont realize this has real world ramifications.

CCP cannot let this slide, this is beyond just trolling.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
True Reign
#146 - 2012-03-26 19:31:14 UTC
By the way, what is there to investigate here? The panel was taped. It should take about an hour to watch the tape. What else is there to do?
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#147 - 2012-03-26 19:33:03 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:
So a guy mocked a crying carebear playing the sympathy card during 'fanfest' aka 'drinkfest - so what?

If the guy was GENUINELY suicidal, there is no way he would be playing Eve. Having been to the brink myself a few years back - and Im not joking, I was standing on the top of the bridge - a guy who is actually on the brink of suicide would not be playing a computer game, this was just a guy playing the sympathy card, fishing for isk or at least to be left alone to mine. In other words, worthy of being mocked.


Being bullied in Eve or over Facebook makes no difference to the victim. People have died from bullying. You of all people should know better.


People has died from a lot weirder things too. Your point being?

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
EnderCapitalG
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#148 - 2012-03-26 19:33:50 UTC
JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:
EnderCapitalG wrote:
JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:
Orkasm wrote:
~ 10,058 ~ People are not disgusted.


Not people but alts you tard.

And votes were casted before alliance panel.

Learn to use your brain you have it for a reason until that dont open your mouth its pathetic.





You have no face

How the hell do you talk?????



I am ******* magician thats how.
Another stupid pathetic goon.

Since when people talk through avatar faces ??


Reported for trolling.
XavierVE
No Corporation for Old Spacemen
#149 - 2012-03-26 19:42:08 UTC  |  Edited by: XavierVE
Ban Bindy wrote:
By the way, what is there to investigate here? The panel was taped. It should take about an hour to watch the tape. What else is there to do?


Figure out how to spin this so that they don't have to do anything to their little ***** buddy.

Had any of us started a thread typing out the same words he used at Fanfest, we would have been banned already.
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#150 - 2012-03-26 19:46:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Henry Haphorn
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:
So a guy mocked a crying carebear playing the sympathy card during 'fanfest' aka 'drinkfest - so what

If the guy was GENUINELY suicidal, there is no way he would be playing Eve. Having been to the brink myself a few years back - and Im not joking, I was standing on the top of the bridge - a guy who is actually on the brink of suicide would not be playing a computer game, this was just a guy playing the sympathy card, fishing for isk or at least to be left alone to mine. In other words, worthy of being mocked.


Well, you can't know for sure. But the point of this thread is about how this impacts the image of CCP Games and our image as a player base. It's one thing to act like corp thieves, scammers, and suicide gankers within the context of the game, but it's another to have an elected representative (The Mittani) acting like he thinks he's allowed to encourage what he did at the fanfest alliance panel especially at a time when cyber bullying is currently looked upon in the US, where CCP's major player base is located, as a major issue in social media

We Americans already had several instances during 2011 alone where innocent people were bullied online to the point where said individuals actually committed suicide in real life. Suicide in real life is a serious thing that should never be joked about regardless of what anyone thinks. A life is a life and it's too precious to just throw away

If anyone whines about being ganked in high-sec, I usually laugh about it. But when someone threatens suicide in real life, I stop laughing and start helping the poor guy. The last two things I ever want to see on the six-o'clock news are when someone commits suicide or when someone commits suicide because we, as video game players, encouraged it. I don't want that on my conscious

/preparing for the inevitable trolls wanting to flame me

Adapt or Die
Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#151 - 2012-03-26 19:46:54 UTC
The entire so-called "investigation" is a facade.

If a public call for in-game harassment of a user resulted in actions that caused the person to commit suicide, most CCP employees along with all the Goons would be ecstatic.

Profit favors the prepared
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#152 - 2012-03-26 19:49:23 UTC
Evei Shard wrote:
The entire so-called "investigation" is a facade.

If a public call for in-game harassment of a user resulted in actions that caused the person to commit suicide, most CCP employees along with all the Goons would be ecstatic.


Believe this or no, SOCKPUPPET ALT 3153, Goons don't actually want people to kill themselves in real life.

We want you to continue making money in game so we can sell you nonexistant **** and take it all for ourselves.

Even evil has standards.
Vaarkk
State War Academy
Caldari State
#153 - 2012-03-26 19:50:57 UTC
Another **** thread by another **** pubbie.
Rystan Wildstar
Perkone
Caldari State
#154 - 2012-03-26 19:52:24 UTC
Marius Duvall wrote:
J3ssica Alba wrote:
All it takes is for the guy to actually go through with suicide and then CCP would find themselves sued by the parents/siblings/wife/gf. Or the guy himself could actually sue for mental anguish caused. It's well known that people in the US sue for anything under the sun if they think they can cash in.

No matter if it was the alliance panel and not directly involving CCP, it was at a venue owned/rented by CCP and as such they would be responsible for whatever happens in it.



Based on what legal precedent?


California Penal Code § 401 - Aiding, Advising, or Encouraging Suicide
Every person who deliberately aids, or advises, or encourages another to commit suicide, is guilty of a felony.

Google: Ex-Rutgers Student Charged With Hate Crime After Roommate's Suicide

There's other States that have similar laws. Are either Mittens man or the other guy a US citizen? I don't have any opinion on this either way but the facts are if any authorities with jurisdiction over this situation take an interest in what happened, simply saying he was "trolling" will not save his ass.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#155 - 2012-03-26 19:54:20 UTC
Rystan Wildstar wrote:
Marius Duvall wrote:
J3ssica Alba wrote:
All it takes is for the guy to actually go through with suicide and then CCP would find themselves sued by the parents/siblings/wife/gf. Or the guy himself could actually sue for mental anguish caused. It's well known that people in the US sue for anything under the sun if they think they can cash in.

No matter if it was the alliance panel and not directly involving CCP, it was at a venue owned/rented by CCP and as such they would be responsible for whatever happens in it.



Based on what legal precedent?


California Penal Code § 401 - Aiding, Advising, or Encouraging Suicide
Every person who deliberately aids, or advises, or encourages another to commit suicide, is guilty of a felony.

Google: Ex-Rutgers Student Charged With Hate Crime After Roommate's Suicide

There's other States that have similar laws. Are either Mittens man or the other guy a US citizen? I don't have any opinion on this either way but the facts are if any authorities with jurisdiction over this situation take an interest in what happened, simply saying he was "trolling" will not save his ass.


Confirming the entire world is subject to California state law.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Blatant Forum Alt
Doomheim
#156 - 2012-03-26 19:55:23 UTC
Rystan Wildstar wrote:
Marius Duvall wrote:
J3ssica Alba wrote:
All it takes is for the guy to actually go through with suicide and then CCP would find themselves sued by the parents/siblings/wife/gf. Or the guy himself could actually sue for mental anguish caused. It's well known that people in the US sue for anything under the sun if they think they can cash in.

No matter if it was the alliance panel and not directly involving CCP, it was at a venue owned/rented by CCP and as such they would be responsible for whatever happens in it.



Based on what legal precedent?


California Penal Code § 401 - Aiding, Advising, or Encouraging Suicide
Every person who deliberately aids, or advises, or encourages another to commit suicide, is guilty of a felony.

Google: Ex-Rutgers Student Charged With Hate Crime After Roommate's Suicide

There's other States that have similar laws. Are either Mittens man or the other guy a US citizen? I don't have any opinion on this either way but the facts are if any authorities with jurisdiction over this situation take an interest in what happened, simply saying he was "trolling" will not save his ass.

The internet is not america. Sorry.
Twulf
Thunder Clap Industry
#157 - 2012-03-26 19:55:24 UTC
Xython wrote:
Evei Shard wrote:
The entire so-called "investigation" is a facade.

If a public call for in-game harassment of a user resulted in actions that caused the person to commit suicide, most CCP employees along with all the Goons would be ecstatic.


Believe this or no, SOCKPUPPET ALT 3153, Goons don't actually want people to kill themselves in real life.

We want you to continue making money in game so we can sell you nonexistant **** and take it all for ourselves.

Even evil has standards.



Nobody believes a word you goons say. I have played with Goons from other games, unskilled zerg pvpers is all you are and all you ever will be.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#158 - 2012-03-26 19:57:16 UTC
Twulf wrote:
Xython wrote:
Evei Shard wrote:
The entire so-called "investigation" is a facade.

If a public call for in-game harassment of a user resulted in actions that caused the person to commit suicide, most CCP employees along with all the Goons would be ecstatic.


Believe this or no, SOCKPUPPET ALT 3153, Goons don't actually want people to kill themselves in real life.

We want you to continue making money in game so we can sell you nonexistant **** and take it all for ourselves.

Even evil has standards.



Nobody believes a word you goons say. I have played with Goons from other games, unskilled zerg pvpers is all you are and all you ever will be.


Sounds like you were crushed by them too.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#159 - 2012-03-26 19:58:55 UTC
Twulf wrote:
Xython wrote:
Evei Shard wrote:
The entire so-called "investigation" is a facade.

If a public call for in-game harassment of a user resulted in actions that caused the person to commit suicide, most CCP employees along with all the Goons would be ecstatic.


Believe this or no, SOCKPUPPET ALT 3153, Goons don't actually want people to kill themselves in real life.

We want you to continue making money in game so we can sell you nonexistant **** and take it all for ourselves.

Even evil has standards.



Nobody believes a word you goons say. I have played with Goons from other games, unskilled zerg pvpers is all you are and all you ever will be.


That's too bad...we were all sitting around wondering what famed Eve Online player Twulf thought about us. Now we know. Sad

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#160 - 2012-03-26 19:59:07 UTC
Twulf wrote:
Xython wrote:
Evei Shard wrote:
The entire so-called "investigation" is a facade.

If a public call for in-game harassment of a user resulted in actions that caused the person to commit suicide, most CCP employees along with all the Goons would be ecstatic.


Believe this or no, SOCKPUPPET ALT 3153, Goons don't actually want people to kill themselves in real life.

We want you to continue making money in game so we can sell you nonexistant **** and take it all for ourselves.

Even evil has standards.



Nobody believes a word you goons say. I have played with Goons from other games, unskilled zerg pvpers is all you are and all you ever will be.


Hey now, according to the head of CCP Marketing Goons are the best players in EVE. So, uh... you're wrong.