EVE General Discussion

I think removing off grid boosting will hurt more than it will help and puts too much advantage in the fleet that is already on grid. I know that an off grid booster upsets people but its the only way to insure level playing field. If he's sitting in a pos, oh well, take the pos down. If he's in space scan him down and find him. Even if you don't point him, he must warp and as command mods turn off in warp so the boosters are off also. So task organize your attack and neutralize his boosters. Bring your own boosters to help too, whatever. Everyone has the same ability to boost in a system, but having to be on grid gives ridiculous advantage to the first on grid (defense) and especially to the already too prevalent kiting fleets.

Example, my fleet is trying to catch one or multiple targets in system. Perhaps baiting, perhaps utilizing a warp in from a cloaky. Once the scan is achieved the tackler goes in. I have interdiction manuevers and rapid deployment on. When the tackler arrives we might get the point and lock him down, but only if he's not already aligned. If he stays and is kiting still, the rapid deployment and interdiction maneuvers might give the extra boost needed to get the scram and web in what would otherwise fail to reach as they burn out of range. I cannot accompany him into the fight until the target is locked because I cannot boost while in warp. If I have to wait until I pop on grid, target is probably gone as my warp speed is slower. if we fleet warp, then its the slowest warp speed ship to the fleet and that negates the warp in to a large extent due to the target having already moved too far already. Part of the power of the interceptor isn't just mwd speed but warp speed too. If he's tied to my warp speed that scan lock is now worthless as the targets now too far away. If we do it right, once the target is locked down then I bring my Mrym in and help with the kill, and turn boosts back on, but I only do this once I know the target/ targets are fully locked down.

If I couldn't do this, then even more targets would just endlessly warp off/burn away and get away/win. Often a target will stay on grid and not warp away thinking he can win with just some little tackler on grid with him. What do you think will happen if I bring in my BC, or a T3 or a command ship. Instant running like 90% of people do already. Plus, often we are trying to do multiple things in the system, like block more than one gate at a time. Now I can't boost system wide. Why bother flying it then? Instead of seeing more command ships/command modules etc, you'll see less. Nothing but endless canes and drakes. Vanilla.

In other applications, the fleet already on grid will have their boosts running and when the attacking fleet arrives, they may not show up all at once (sure preferred but when warping in at optimals, different ships will arrive due to different warp speeds.) You'll have to wait for boosting ships to arrive and then some of the key boosts such as info and skirmish might already be too late - as certain ships have already been jammed or escaped due to boosts/lack there of.

Finally, on grid is too squishy. I mean you can play grid fu all day long and exploit the grid to your favor to isolate boosters from the combat fleet if your clever. Again, favoring the defense.

The best way to keep it relatively fair is system wide. Sure, they can have a pos, but you know what? You rate some advantage for having a POS. Burn it down, bring your own boosts, whatever. Them being in a pos doesn't negate you bringing your boosts. Being on grid only denies the attacker too many options.

The only one of these questions that remotely valid is the rorqual tbh. SS hugging t3 bonus givers are the problem. The combat scanner role needs to be on grid with the ships it providing gang warp for anyway. Cs don't have a weak tank (they often have very strong tanks) and neither do single link t3s

um what?

How is an a pro 1v1 pvper going to work if you can't have your off grid booster! Shock Horror!

You fleet up with him and are in the same squad. then you know your opponent gets no boosts. Seems simple for an arranged 1v1.

Buffer comes from mid and low slots, and fleet command ships have the best tanks of any subcap (as far as I'm aware). People just need to learn not to fit so many gang assists that they can't run their capacitor. After all, if the ship is fit for tank, it won't have any command processors, so it should only have 3 gang assists.

I think the problem is that people have been enjoying easy command for too long, and you're all squishy now. HTFU

My question are:


yes, yes it will. And it will be a better game for it. Just go into battle with the new target breaker module. I'm sure you'll get targeted by a TON of ships.



yes, yes it will, thank god. how can something off the battlefield get to have an effect? so stupid. if you want that kind of gameplay it should be tied to structures that give allied players system wide combat bonuses. Then you can have a small fleet hunting down what's been giving bonuses, kill it, and return to battle. There might even be some small scale warfare going on while the large battle happens over these deployable, system wide command modules.

Note, these would be placed like POS turrets, outside of the shields.

Other wise, hunting down a tiny, moving Tech 3 ship, that in no way could be able to have an effect on a huge battle it can't see, is not fun. It's stupid and should be on the field so that it can apply bonuses.





so then the ship will have to be used the way it was designed.

or upgrade the systems mining at the hub by mining more.

You did not answer my question. What If I had a fleet who were spread through different Areas of the entire system. Areas that are separated in terms of AU rather than km.

What if my fleet was defending multiple poses? 150km is certainly not enough to cover that distance.

How are you going to handle that?

With current 0.0 fleet doctrines, your commandship will die within a blink of an eye. Even Carriers get alpha striked by a fleet these days, hence one of the very reasons why supercarriers are used as logistics rather than normal carriers.

How can you make it so without giving the Commandship have an ehp bigger than capitals?

You could designate squad boosters, just a suggestion.