EVE General Discussion

Stop? Why'd I want that?

Ho because you think null sec industry is mainly done in null sec? - no

For a lot of reasons it's much better to produce in high sec then ship to null, sell those goods 20 to 250% more than high sec, they never loose whatever, by making disappear high sec small industrials you will only increase significantly the income of null sec industrials producing in high sec

What you are doing however is push high sec industrials, or at least those that will not leave the game, go to WH's. Knowing the number of interesting corporations/alliances that do this seriously, get ready to wine about ABC's mined in WH's again and blahblahblah

Take moon goo out of the alliances hands, nice stuff, it's the way that how this is going to change that is bad. Now don't be silly to think that it's you, random peon, that it's gonna take your shiny hulk and start mining R64 tomorrow because it will not be the case.

This is terribly bad for players if it's implemented strictly in 0.0, will not change that much for alliances since they have their own mining corporations but will just increase significantly fees charge for corporations living there that don't mine R64
You don't think alliances will just let the gazillions income of moon mining go like pouf just like that?

-they will get their income by increasing significantly the charge per player, thing is that the way CCP is intending to implement it, plus the reduction in bounty, it's terribly bad per peon.
(Im already not doing PI anymore because income/time spent is just stupid)
I don't see this increase the random peon income that much, but the older players playing for free with their dozen alts, the sames that already clean entire system anoms FTL, can clean "The Maze" faster than you'll ever clean a lvl3 alone, etc

CCP will never learn Malcanis law, they don't understand a crap of it or don't do the right thing, the point above will really change 0.0 card forever imho.
Cool, good days are coming, less time spent in front of the screen playing tedious games.

Last time I checked EVE was supposed to be a sandbox style game. So why dose CCP feel the need to take all my sand away and force me to play where i don't want to?

Where did they say they want to take your sand away?

Right, they didn't.

Hisec should be a free (if taxed) haven to trade and meet on neutral ground.
Scale industry shouldn't be permitted. Neither should big-time hunting.
But, that balances the real problem.

The real problem is that fights are had over nothing.
If someone wanders in low/null for no reason, he'll get killed for no reason.
Not resource protection, not territory protection, not even extortion. Just KMs.
Re-instate real ammo costs, appropriate defenses on industrial ships, impossibility to easily farm resources to attack no-value targets, remove KMs - and then we can talk about a groundbreaking hisec nerf.

The day hunts and kills are done on resource-based contends, nullsec dwellers can make a point that highsec shouldn't have even the potential to make as many resources as conquerable space.
Until kills are done at no-cost and to no scope, it's evident that nullsec's point isn't resources - is the fight itself.

When a roaming gang will see a mining fleet and it will NOT jump on it unless it's a known enemy / suspected to be such, removing hisec is ridicolous. It's not about risk-adversion: The "wastelands" activities aren't balanced on risk - attacking non-offending parties is riskless and costless.

When we'll have a point that nullsec is to be expanded (population-wise) due to actual resource-orientented gameplay, and not due to "lack of targets", highsec can be nerfed to the ground.

Until then, keep whining.

Where did they say that they will be forcing people to move somewhere?

Right, they didn't.

I only see a little problem in your reasoning: WH's.

And ship price? -T3's price should go down the hill pretty fast, because wh's will be the only place where you can build most of the T3 parts without need of whatever R64, then faction and DED stuff don't need R64 stuff neither.
Once those WH producers get how to get over the R64 skyrocket prices one problem will just be replaced by a probably bigger one.

Anyway, once implemented we'll see how good for the game all this stuff is and how good for the economy it is (no change imho because more valuable items=more trading revenue=more isk out of nowhere)

Ok, so it's just in your head

Cool. I kinda guessed that, tbh.

Noob opinion incoming!

I am a mining/manufacturing/mission-running noobbear, but:

I don't really see a problem with making highsec either: a) a more risky place to live or b) a less profitable place to live.

From the sounds of it, removing POS from highsec would be a good start.

Also, either dropping rat bounties in highsec (which has been suggested), or only have missions up to level 2-3 available in highsec, with everything else in lowsec.

Not to mention adjusting highsec incursions, "nerfing" them if you will, to encourage more people to head out to low/nullsec for those incursions.

I don't know that much can/should be changed about highsec mining or NPC-station production, though increasing market taxes paid might encourage some population shifting as well!

Ultimately, highsec is too safe and makes it too easy to make a lot of money.

Of course, I'm of the unusual and unpopular opinion that "highsec" should be removed from Eve entirely, so perhaps my ideas aren't worth much merit >_>