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isk faucet nerf which would you prefer?

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Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#61 - 2012-03-26 22:12:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
Can't say.

I am sure there are some that are exploiting it but question comes down to the majority.
0.0 is built around destroying ships and getting them destroyed.
There has to be a effective method for the average player to keep themselves fitted in a ship.

All I can say is I hope CCP takes a real close look before implementing.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#62 - 2012-03-26 22:13:18 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Change rat rewards from ISK AND sec status gain to ISK OR sec status gain. You choose which you want.


I'm not sure how this would work on the current system. Would you give up the bounties on all the rats you kill in a system in order to get the sec status boost from one of them?

How about this: whichever rat you get the sec boost from, you don't get any bounty. That way people who rat whole systems still get paid for all the EXTRA rats they kill, but the guys just looking to recover sec so they can go back to piracy wouldn't get paid for status repair.

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2012-03-27 01:20:05 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
game needs more isk sinks tbh. how many sinks are there vs faucets?

*list of sinks and faucets*

That's a pretty good list, and if you ponder a moment and think about how big each of these is, it really puts it into perspective. Well that pretty much explains the ISK flood.

Here, let me explain. When you make a list of the approximate value each faucet and sink has on an average pilot, you see that the problem isn't runaway isk faucets, it's a general lack of isk sinks. Here's approximately what each has been worth to me over the course of my entire career in EVE:

Faucets:
NPC bounties - 1,000,000,000 - 1,500,000,000
NPC buy orders - 5,000,000 - 20,000,000
Agent rewards: Mission rewards, Mission time bonuses, Incursion rewards - 150,000,000 - 250,000,000
Insurance payout - ~100,000,000
GM actions: Reimbursement for lost pods - none (I've only been reimbursed in goods, never ISK)
Character creation - ~600,000

Sinks:
Market taxes & fees: Broker fees, Sales tax - 15,000,000 - 25,000,000
NPC sell orders - ~400,000,000 (mostly skillbooks)
NPC station services: Repairs, Jump clone installation, Medical clone installation/upgrade/station change, Science and industry slot rental, Ship insurance - 50,000,000 - 100,000,000
NPC station office fees: Rent, Impound penalties - none (I don't keep my goods in offices so I don't know what that's like)
Wardecs - 10,000,000
Sovereignty fees - ~25,000,000
PI fees: Building PI structures, Import/export tax (from NPC-owned customs offices) - 20,000,000 - 30,000,000
Corp & alliance fees: Corp creation, Alliance creation, Alliance upkeep, Creating/awarding medals, Corp registry ads - 25,000,000 - 50,000,000
Agent fees: (Certain) LP store items, Locator agent services, Courier missions w/ deposits - ~15,000,000
CSPA Charges - 750,000 - 1,500,000
Smuggling fines - ~100,000
GM Actions: Removal of bought ISK, Removal of insurance after ship reimbursement - ~10,000,000 (a Prophecy)
Character deletion - ~25,000

If you make that into a chart of faucets vs. sinks, it'll look something like this:
Faucets:
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Sinks:
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Now take into consideration that I've never run incursions or high-class sleeper sites, or even very many nullsec anomalies for that matter. Once I get into that in the next year or so, my graph will probably look like this:
Faucets:
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Sinks:
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There now I made it visual, thanks in part to Tippia.


then before touching on the faucets, one should increase the sinks. not in quantity, but the "quality". for example, office fees and agent fees. one should start on these ones first, then climb up from there. afterwards, if you're not happy with the result, then you can start touching on the faucets.

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OfBalance
Caldari State
#64 - 2012-03-27 01:25:14 UTC
All of them.