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CCP: Make yourself richer and players happier
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Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-03-26 01:17:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Aranakas
Let players consume 30 Day PLEX to instantly recieve 30 days of skill points to distribute as they wish.

P.S. Screw the character bazaar, I don't want some ugly dude with a stupid name that someone else made.

Aranakas CEO of Green Anarchy Green vs Green
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#2 - 2012-03-26 02:21:11 UTC
lol
Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-03-26 02:56:02 UTC
Closed topic.

Please read these!

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Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-03-26 05:07:14 UTC
i too, want rich players to have every skill at lvl 5.
Herold Oldtimer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-03-26 10:20:36 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
i too, want rich players to have every skill at lvl 5.


And have the character locked to the account, so they can't sell it.
Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-03-26 13:31:43 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
i too, want rich players to have every skill at lvl 5.


They can do that already by buying from character bazaar. Though maybe some people want to upgrade chars at their own rate or stick with one they like.

EVE is an economy game anyways. Not a timer waiting game. It would make sense to allow people to turn isk into skills.

Aranakas CEO of Green Anarchy Green vs Green
Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-03-26 14:27:31 UTC
Aranakas wrote:
Herping yourDerp wrote:
i too, want rich players to have every skill at lvl 5.


They can do that already by buying from character bazaar. Though maybe some people want to upgrade chars at their own rate or stick with one they like.

EVE is an economy game anyways. Not a timer waiting game. It would make sense to allow people to turn isk into skills.



considering all the timers built into the game and all the time spent waiting for things to happen... what?

though id be cool with this if the character was locked to the account (for the time duration) , and that account didn't get to train anything for the next 30 days. sort of a fast forward with cooldown.

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-03-26 14:32:43 UTC
Kusum Fawn wrote:
Aranakas wrote:
Herping yourDerp wrote:
i too, want rich players to have every skill at lvl 5.


They can do that already by buying from character bazaar. Though maybe some people want to upgrade chars at their own rate or stick with one they like.

EVE is an economy game anyways. Not a timer waiting game. It would make sense to allow people to turn isk into skills.



considering all the timers built into the game and all the time spent waiting for things to happen... what?

though id be cool with this if the character was locked to the account (for the time duration) , and that account didn't get to train anything for the next 30 days. sort of a fast forward with cooldown.


Pointless. Isk->Skills or nothing, since THE CHARACTER BAZAAR ALREADY ALLOWS THIS without any penalties other than aesthetic ones.

The 500mil isk spent on the plex would already be converted to skills anyways, you're just making it move faster. Is it fairer than the current system where newer characters CAN NEVER catch up to older characters by skilling at the same rate or slower? HELL YES.

Plus some of us just don't want to wait a perfectly good month of their life before they can fly a ship. You could always buy a $1 egg timer and flip it up and down for fun if that's amusing.

Aranakas CEO of Green Anarchy Green vs Green
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#9 - 2012-03-26 15:41:55 UTC
Aranakas wrote:

Plus some of us just don't want to wait a perfectly good month of their life before they can fly a ship. You could always buy a $1 egg timer and flip it up and down for fun if that's amusing.


WAAAAA, I want it NOW MUUUUUUM! MAKE THEM GIVE IT TO MEEEEEEEE!
The other boys have it and I want it toooooo!

Seriously, I'm not sure how simple I can make this, especially for the ADD kiddies out there.....

Stick with me here OP, I know you are probably already wandering off because you cant concentrate on something for more than 2 mins......

Buying Skill Points with $$$ or PLEX will KILL EVE.

Thats it, CCP knows it, most of the players know it. Deal with it, or go buy a level 100 Paladin in WOW.

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-03-26 16:05:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Aranakas
Jint Hikaru wrote:
Aranakas wrote:

Plus some of us just don't want to wait a perfectly good month of their life before they can fly a ship. You could always buy a $1 egg timer and flip it up and down for fun if that's amusing.


WAAAAA, I want it NOW MUUUUUUM! MAKE THEM GIVE IT TO MEEEEEEEE!
The other boys have it and I want it toooooo!

Seriously, I'm not sure how simple I can make this, especially for the ADD kiddies out there.....

Stick with me here OP, I know you are probably already wandering off because you cant concentrate on something for more than 2 mins......

Buying Skill Points with $$$ or PLEX will KILL EVE.

Thats it, CCP knows it, most of the players know it. Deal with it, or go buy a level 100 Paladin in WOW.


If anything, NOT being able to catch up to older players on your own character will KILL EVE.

You know why people leave? Because they have to wait months to do anything in this game and can never catch up in skill points to older players. That's why I left the first time. That's why my friends refuse to play.

Also, I am blocking you for being hostile and a moron because as I said at least twice YOU CAN ALREADY USE THE CHARACTER BAZAAR.

Aranakas CEO of Green Anarchy Green vs Green
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#11 - 2012-03-26 16:32:09 UTC
Aranakas wrote:
If anything, NOT being able to catch up to older players on your own character will KILL EVE.

It hasn't killed Eve over the last nine years, I don't see why it would start being an issue now. You simply don't understand that raw SP doesn't mean squat.

Aranakas wrote:
You know why people leave? Because they have to wait months to do anything in this game and can never catch up in skill points to older players. That's why I left the first time. That's why my friends refuse to play.

No, people leave because they're whiny brats who feel everything should be handed to them on a silver platter and who are afraid to go out and actually do something without knowing for sure that they're completely safe and can't lose.
Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-03-26 16:33:48 UTC
mxzf wrote:
Aranakas wrote:
If anything, NOT being able to catch up to older players on your own character will KILL EVE.

It hasn't killed Eve over the last nine years, I don't see why it would start being an issue now. You simply don't understand that raw SP doesn't mean squat.

Aranakas wrote:
You know why people leave? Because they have to wait months to do anything in this game and can never catch up in skill points to older players. That's why I left the first time. That's why my friends refuse to play.

No, people leave because they're whiny brats who feel everything should be handed to them on a silver platter and who are afraid to go out and actually do something without knowing for sure that they're completely safe and can't lose.


YOU CAN ALREADY PLEX YOURSELF ISK AND YOU CAN ALREADY USE ISK TO BUY CHARACTERS IN THE BAZAAR.

And EVE subscription rates are not picking up. Most players who play are veterans, surprise surprise. New players don't want to join because they are forever at a disadvantage. And if sp doesn't mean squat why does it exist?

Aranakas CEO of Green Anarchy Green vs Green
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#13 - 2012-03-26 16:40:44 UTC
You don't use ISK to buy SP though, ever. You use ISK to pay another player to buy gametime for you, or you use ISK to pay another player to spend months training a character for you, but you never use ISK to buy SP. There's a large difference there.

And Eve's subscriber numbers are steadily growing (and not just vets making more alts, I know many new players too). And SP does mean something, it means versatility. Raw SP means squat though, a player with 200M SP can actually be LESS effective than a player with 2M SP but all dedicated towards a specific ship/playstyle. SP doesn't let you do things infinitely better as it grows, it just lets you do more different stuff. You have a fundamentally flawed perception of Eve's skill system.
Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-03-26 16:48:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Aranakas
Okay, well I plan on using some of this "versatility" to give myself the ability to fly a pirate ship at 100% effectiveness. Maybe I'll be less effective at assault frigates or something. That's a risk I'm willing to take.

I could go over to the character bazaar right now and "pay someone to train a character to fly pirate battleships" but I like the characters I have. I don't want someone else's character. Why not just go over to the market right now and "pay CCP to train the character I made to fly pirate battleships".

Either way, it's what like 2 mil sp a month? I'd have to spend some 200 dollars for just 20 mil sp if I were plexing. That's still a LOT of money and a lot less efficient than character bazaar anyways.

Why do I want to do it? Because I don't want someone else's character.

P.S. I don't want to plex it though, I want to use my in-game savings.

Aranakas CEO of Green Anarchy Green vs Green
Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-03-26 16:52:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Aranakas
Explain to me this:

How can a new character EVER catch up in SP to an older character who is training at the same rate?

Why is it fair that it is impossible?

And yes, things like maxxed out support skills do make a difference, no matter what nonsense you come up with that it's not.

Aranakas CEO of Green Anarchy Green vs Green
Nix Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#16 - 2012-03-26 17:18:20 UTC
Aranakas wrote:
Explain to me this:

How can a new character EVER catch up in SP to an older character who is training at the same rate?

Why is it fair that it is impossible?

And yes, things like maxxed out support skills do make a difference, no matter what nonsense you come up with that it's not.



Only if you explain this: Why should a new player be able to instantly buy their way up to match a player who has already invested years into the game??? How is that fair on the older player?
Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-03-26 17:19:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Aranakas
Nix Hikaru wrote:
Aranakas wrote:
Explain to me this:

How can a new character EVER catch up in SP to an older character who is training at the same rate?

Why is it fair that it is impossible?

And yes, things like maxxed out support skills do make a difference, no matter what nonsense you come up with that it's not.



Only if you explain this: Why should a new player be able to instantly buy their way up to match a player who has already invested years into the game??? How is that fair on the older player?


The older player doesn't have to spend any money...
He got to enjoy eve during that time....
He should have built up a bigger wallet by now and take advantage of the same system...

etc.

Damn that was your big stumper? It was pretty easy.

Aranakas CEO of Green Anarchy Green vs Green
Nix Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#18 - 2012-03-26 17:40:38 UTC
Aranakas wrote:

The older player doesn't have to spend any money...
He got to enjoy eve during that time....


And you will get to enjoy Eve in the time your skills naturally increase....

Everyone’s a winner,

no need to buy skills.
Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2012-03-26 17:59:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Aranakas
Nix Hikaru wrote:
Aranakas wrote:

The older player doesn't have to spend any money...
He got to enjoy eve during that time....


And you will get to enjoy Eve in the time your skills naturally increase....

Everyone’s a winner,

no need to buy skills.


I'd enjoy it more, as would almost all new players. We buy skills, everyone's a winner.

Skills need to be buyable.

And there is a difference levelling up now and then. Then, everyone was low skilled. Now, there is a gap.

Aranakas CEO of Green Anarchy Green vs Green
Nix Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#20 - 2012-03-26 18:03:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Nix Hikaru
I think I'm going to bow out of this thread.

OP is never going to understand that Eve is about the journey and what you choose to do in the game. Not about endgame and having all the skills and being OMGROXOR in a SuperStarDestroyer!!!!!!

Feel free to keep posting this idea OP.


I stand by what I said on my main.... The majority of players and CCP know that instant buying skills will kill Eve.

Fly safe!
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