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His real mistake was drinking before getting up there. Between the intoxication of alcohol and audience, he become his personae (apparently). BTW this is part of the reason why I don't roleplay. Hard enough to keep on track just being myself. Add in rotating hats and I'm well & truly screwed.

But I've got to give him credit, it takes a person of character to not only own your mistake but to fall upon your sword as needed. He's a man after my own ethics in this regard.

Don't know him, of him, or about him.

Till now.

/Goonsmugthread

Begone, child

he should of bought zydrine stupid goon.

only 16% of mega comes from drones where as 40% of zydrine comes from drones.

That is totally how I think R&D agents spend their days.... except Apricot is holding the rifle.

I gave the nuclear launch codes to Al-Qaida, just in case they wanted to use them.

The things I sometimes say in jest while drunk would either get me arrested, or waking up next to another man in the morning.
So I can relate.

Anyway, where my defence of Mittani comes from isn't because I have any love for him or goons
(although I respect him as a strategist), but because I have issue with the idea of being banned or publicly crucified in the event that some douch sends me a troll mail because I blew up his 22 mining bots, asking for sympathy cause his wife left him (cause he plays eve too much) and his feeling suicidal.... and my reply to him is to go jump off a bridge (figuratively or litrally) & joke about his pathetic ploy with my peers suggesting he be a target of further ganks for his indiscretion.

This Wiz dood has pulled off one of the most successfull trolls in eve history.
The way everyones acting about it, I wouldn't be supprised to one day turn on the tele & see his book being promoted on the Oprah show.

After reading your argument Shar Tegral, when stressing the point that he placed himself in a possition that casts a huge reflection of his actions on CCP, then understandibly anything he did that brings bad press to CCP should earn him a rebuke

But since watching a fellow college beat the crap out of & throw out a hobo with mental issues that walked into our office just this morning helping himself to the kitchen. I firmly believe there are people with more problems than some guy with too many mining alts, and there are far worse measures of indifference or malice to fellow humans that what Mittani did.

Mittani's 'victim' however I'd trully never feel remorse or pitty for in a game or in RL either, since when living on a continent where 10,000 children under the age of 7 die of hunger each day, while sitting on the couch drinking my morning coffee, watching sky news reports of first world countries dropping bombs on villidges in some middle eastern country that no one really cares about, switching the channel to the local news about another report of another 3yr old baby being raped. Or a 14yr old who died during an 'exercism' performed by her own family by extracting her intestines through her vigina. Or reading statistics that more than 5mil people in my very own country dont have homes to sleep in.

I cant help myself but think that some person who can afford to spend $330 (more than the avrg. income of many families over here) a month on 22 accounts for a computer game, while sitting in his comfy PC chair infront of a gaming rig(s) in a coasy house/apartment (with electricty & clean safe drinking water!); Complaining he's suicidal because his life is so bad & people in a pc game are mean to him: If in fact, was suicidal, would probly be doing the world a favour by removing himself, and making room for someone less fortunate. So I too may have thought briefly of encourging such action while my inhibitions where low, had I not also spent half my life on anti-depressants.

Cause lets face it. Its a depressing world out there. But if you wanna call it quits.... "Can I haz your stuff".

And given the laughter of others during the comment made, including ccp employees. I reckon many feel the same, or at least found humor in the thought.

And lets not forget that the 'victim' in question has later been interviewed and expressed that his doing dandily fine and well (and somewhat richer in game), and at first wasn't even offended until thousands of whining forumn posters & bloggers informed him that he should be.

Of course he might aswell reprocess that character now, because if he was ever to recieve harasment due to mittani's comment, he certainly will now after all this publicity.... or perhaps the attention is just what he needs to make himself feel special & boost his self esteam. Who knows. Hell he might even make enough from donations from sympathetic fools, (or goon haters thanking him) to buy enough PLEX's to last a lifetime.



Not at all. I prefer honesty.


Also, I think I've gone completely off topic

+1




In a game where breaking someone elses will to fight or even carry on is actually a valid goal and achivement, I'd beg to differ.



Now isn't that the truth.
But in a game where we are encouraged to be ruthless by design, I cant bring myself to fault Mittani (as an alliance leader speaking on an alliance panel) 100% for his comment. Regardless of the colateral damage it caused.

Its not like he gave anyone his name, surname, address, social security & telephone numbers.
He gave them one of his 22 character's names. At a game alliance panel discussing events & a character ...in a game,
and when he spoke, he was introduced as "The Mitanni" a character... from a game, at a huge pissup event for fanboys of a game.

Is that enough game for you?

to be quite frank, the only person that brought RL into it was the guy who sent an evemail to another character in a game who is a member of unquestionably the most renouned griefer alliance in a game, describing his sad life story to the sounds of a [tearful man playing a really sad song on a tiny violin.. out of game].
(Incidentally this is why I have zero sympathy for him, & truly believe he deserves to be singled out & mocked in public. Its the equivelent of running up to a foaming at the mouth rottweiler with your pants down and farting in its face expecting it not to tear you a new anus. Of course here is a clear example of the owner of the dog being fined and the animal is put down.)

If this had nothing to do with "the game" then the TOS/EULA would not apply at all.


Also turning your last paragraph upside down: are you stateing that you'd find no fault then had mittani sent out mass evemails to his alliance and allys and various other players from within the game suggesting they grief the wiz?


Shar Tegral, you present a good argument about the moral implications of inciting a real person to commit suicied, aswell as the Mittani's seat on the CSM having a limited affect on CCP's image when making the comment as he did, which could be so widely misinterpreted.

I have no fond feelings for Mittani or for goonswarm, but objectively with the evidence presented I so far am struggling to find agreement with you that he infact broke any real world moral ethics, perhaps its a failing on my part.
Had he himself given out any out of game info indentifying the 'victim', this would be an open and shut case in my opinion, and I'd even expect legal implications. But as it is, that was never the case, and as such. I have no moral issue. Now where it does get hazzy, is the interpretation of the EULA and how far did mittani go to breach its player harrassment clause. Even here its left up to interpretation because does the one punishable for the infraction have to be the people who commit the harrasment, or just the one who suggests it? And in mitanni's wording... did he infact even suggest it?

Lets take a look once again at his quote:
The Mittani: Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is The Wiz. Its “T-H-E SPACE W-I-S”. He has his own corp. Find him.

It apears the only possible damning part that could be interpreted as inciting others to harass this individule may be the words "Find him". But he fails to go into detail about what creative measure one might take in order to achieve "guy killing himself."
Nore did he elaborate if by guy killing himself he meant: The guy [being character] self destructing his pod, (Im sure that could be acomplished by scramming & webbing his capsule long enough that his only course of escape would be to commit ingame suicide.) or the guy [player] himself commiting real suicide. Since no rl names or specifics on how to accumplish the latter where given I shall have to accept the former interpretation.

Also I enjoyed watching your cat chasing the cursor [I love cats] and have been considering the possibility of adopting a British-Shorthair, and now with the thought of sauteed mushrooms for breakfast in my head, im looking forward to ordering some in the morning.