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Is this Fanfest public behavior actually okay? Are there any limits?
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Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#181 - 2012-03-26 11:46:05 UTC
Guys, earn yourself some self-respect and just leave this POS game. It's obvious that CCP and the whole CSM process is corrupt. It's not a game anymore when you have assholes manipulating players to kill themselves.
Alita Tiphares
Aztek Industries
#182 - 2012-03-26 11:59:15 UTC
Obviously Confidential wrote:
space gator wrote:
Comments being discussed are around 1:11:59

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7Ki91U-mBE&list=HL1332571817&feature=mh_lolz

Edit: It's not my post on youtube and it's shown as unlisted, so I don't know if it will stay up.


thread delivers

when is this gem going to be up on CCP's official you tube channel, potential investors in soon to ipo companies are always interested in possible litigation issues


Look at the panel... just look at them. What a bunch of awkward betas. Was it michael boltons first time being drunk? Can you imagine him behaving like that in the real world? Hehe :D
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#183 - 2012-03-26 12:20:06 UTC
Top tip to the whiners:

If you hold the ALT key and tap the Q key then the imaginary world where big bad meanies can take away your pretend spaceships goes away, and you can go on with your life with no more reason to kill yourself than if you had never played the game.

You're all missing the point, anyway: Mittens was mocking the sobstory about how he wants to kill himself because he lost his ****.

If he actually DOES want to kill himself because he's not very good at an MMO then he has some serious, serious issues and needs help. Perhaps instead of white-knighting behind anonymous alts you can contact the guy and take him ice mining? Or, more accurately, tell him to stop playing the game and get some perspective on life?

If all you have to live for in life is your Mackinaw you need to TURN OFF THE ******* COMPUTER and fix that, not be mollycoddled and told the big bad meanies are acting illegally.

Jesus christ people.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#184 - 2012-03-26 14:36:18 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:

You're all missing the point


I think you miss the point here.

If someone acts suicidal you have various options to chose from.

The option "Hee all, this and this is his name, let's make him kill himself" isn't the option any sane person would opt.

Mittens went in against rules he agreed upon when he wanted to go for CSM and also his actions can be convicted under the harrassement rulings.

CCP however wont show any balls in this matter because Mittens has bedbuddies at CCP which originate from the same derelict group he leads.
If they would actually treat Mittens as every other player then they might lose revenue OR god forbid, the Goons might make a total mess of the game and thus making them lose cash.

It's soo much easier to ignore the rules you set when they might hurt your wallet or someone you are aligned to.
Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#185 - 2012-03-26 14:40:51 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
It's pretty funny that you have people watching a TV stream who have never been to Fanfest trying to wag their fingers and cluck as if this is Hello Kitty Online. This is EVE, and Fanfest is a drunken, shambolic revel - it always has been, if you've been to one.

Crying about people being drunk and partying at Fanfest is like crying about suicide ganking and nonconsensual PvP in the client itself.


Shameful display.

Aranakas CEO of Green Anarchy Green vs Green
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#186 - 2012-03-26 14:52:45 UTC
Killer Gandry wrote:
CCP however wont show any balls in this matter because Mittens has bedbuddies at CCP which originate from the same derelict group he leads


Did you come to this realization after we got the Recruitment MOTD fixed?

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#187 - 2012-03-26 14:57:55 UTC
Obviously Confidential wrote:
space gator wrote:
Comments being discussed are around 1:11:59

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7Ki91U-mBE&list=HL1332571817&feature=mh_lolz

Edit: It's not my post on youtube and it's shown as unlisted, so I don't know if it will stay up.


thread delivers

when is this gem going to be up on CCP's official you tube channel, potential investors in soon to ipo companies are always interested in possible litigation issues



Very true I wonder if SONY would be interested in CCP community relations before they open there customers to such.

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Wessler
Yarrdy YaRr YARRR
#188 - 2012-03-26 14:59:03 UTC
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#189 - 2012-03-26 15:01:39 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
Very true I wonder if SONY would be interested in CCP community relations before they open there customers to such.


I would suggest that you go ask them but I don't think they listen to obese, katana-wielding paganists who put curses on others over the internet.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#190 - 2012-03-26 15:03:05 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Professor Alphane wrote:
Very true I wonder if SONY would be interested in CCP community relations before they open there customers to such.


I would suggest that you go ask them but I don't think they listen to obese, katana-wielding paganists who put curses on others over the internet.



Why did they ignore you when you talked to them Twisted

Nasty SONY

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Kain De'Stroi
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#191 - 2012-03-26 15:10:12 UTC
yesterday i posted in this thread and said i thought this was borderline.
i take that back. years of playing eve has made me jaded.
Mittens behaviour is not ok in anyway and is well beyond to where i think we should draw a line.
Zleon Leigh
#192 - 2012-03-26 15:19:47 UTC
A GM or DEV won't do - we need commentary from CCP The Shark! to clarify the boundaries. Yes, that's right CCP's corporate mouthpiece!

Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital. CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day

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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#193 - 2012-03-26 15:36:06 UTC
Killer Gandry wrote:
The option "Hee all, this and this is his name, let's make him kill himself" isn't the option any sane person would opt.


Counterpoint: wanting to kill yourself because you lost virtual property is not the position any sane person should adopt.

Any sane person advocating suicide over virtual property has to be seen as doing such as a joke; because no one with any sense would think "I beat you at Chess just to make you want to die"

HE LOST A GAME.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Andrea Griffin
#194 - 2012-03-26 15:59:48 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Counterpoint: wanting to kill yourself because you lost virtual property is not the position any sane person should adopt.
Exactly; and someone who is in such a position is clearly not sane and is in need of help.

Khanh'rhh wrote:
Any sane person advocating suicide over virtual property has to be seen as doing such as a joke; because no one with any sense would think "I beat you at Chess just to make you want to die"

HE LOST A GAME.
You obviously don't understand depression or suicide. It isn't the loss in game that caused this - it was another major Real Life event, or a series of them, or perhaps a chemical imbalance in the brain. Having your suicidal rage mail posted for all to see and mocked in public can be the thing that pushes someone over the edge.

When someone gets a mail like that, the LAST action someone should take is what Mittens did. The first action should be to contact CCP directly and let them know that there may be a problem.

Of course, this doesn't mean that we should have a ban on suicide ganking or whatnot because it might upset a very tiny minority of the playbase to take such actions. As you said, it is a game, and suicide ganking IS part of the game. That's fine.

Besides - when it is common knowledge that the player base makes a hero out of someone who does those things, people aren't going to be particularly interested in trying Eve. We expect Eve to be a cold, harsh place - in game. People sign up because of that. People enjoy Eve because of that.

But when it gets taken that far out of game peoples' opinions will change and they'll be driven away. There's a huge difference between being an incredible **** in game and one out of it. I don't think it is in CCP's best interests to have The Mittani as a representative of the players.

CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer.
for thelulz
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#195 - 2012-03-26 16:02:04 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
It's pretty funny that you have people watching a TV stream who have never been to Fanfest trying to wag their fingers and cluck as if this is Hello Kitty Online. This is EVE, and Fanfest is a drunken, shambolic revel - it always has been, if you've been to one.



You've just summed the entire situation up for me in this sentence. As someone who has been to several Fanfests, the notion of Fanfest being a drunken, shambolic event isn't that true. There are a very small number of people who are drunk all day, walking around making **** out of themselves.....most of which are best avoided.

The vast majority of people at FF are sober / have only had a few drinks and enjoy the days events without needing to resort to being loud mouth fools, which is what the panel turned into.

Sadly it feels like Fanfest is slowly heading down the direction of being a "COME HERE AND GET DRUNK" event, which certainly isn't what it was a few years back.

Don't really care much for the comments on the panel, but Fanfest isn't a drunken holiday for most people. Hopefully the few fools who decide to get drunk and shout at every opportunity don't discourage those who haven't been yet.
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#196 - 2012-03-26 16:09:06 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:

Counterpoint: wanting to kill yourself because you lost virtual property is not the position any sane person should adopt.

Any sane person advocating suicide over virtual property has to be seen as doing such as a joke; because no one with any sense would think "I beat you at Chess just to make you want to die"

HE LOST A GAME.


Your counterpoint is invalid due to one simple fact.

You base your point on the fact that everyone who goes online to game is mentally stable enough for it in the first place.

I think EVE more then enough proves the contrary.

Like you say. Any sane person advocating suicide over virtual property has to be seen as doing such as a joke.

But you have to admit that there are people out there who take this kind of stuff way too serious. Is Mittens someone who is qualified to see if this guy is merely seeking attention or has reeal suicidal tendencies?
In any case the only course of action should have been a mail to CCP so they can handle this in a way which doesn't risk someone who actually is unstable and might kill himself over something which in your world isn't worth losing your life over but which in his world might be just enough to kill himself over.

People are easy to judge other people according to their own "sanity", way of life and judgements. There is no room for actually considering there are a lot of people out there who genuinly are in need of help.
And I don't mean the kind of help that kicks away the chair of someone who is trying to hang himself.

If you think EVE does NOT have players who might be suicidal:

http://gamepolitics.livejournal.com/182224.html

http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/21332-Gamer_attempts_suicide_with_sawblade

http://kotaku.com/149939/thompson-on-the-gamer-suicide

I could go on, but heck, who cares anyways. Right.
Obviously Confidential
#197 - 2012-03-26 16:39:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Obviously Confidential
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-03-26-ccp-launches-investigation-after-eve-online-fanfest-panel-accused-of-mocking-suicidal-player

But...but...but...if mom and pop don't let the kids come to fanfest anymore how are we going to fill up the opera house AND the sports center next year?!?!?

If I remember the keynote correctly the plan was to put the EVE players on the opera house and the DUST514 players on the sports center. It's larger after all...

Seriously speaking, EVE fanfest and booze should be handled in the same way that the playboy mansion handles sex. All playboy shows us is some nice pics of Hugh and his guests in robes surrounded by girls. We all know what is going on. But we don't see it. Thus the brand doesn't get hurt. Fanfest is same. We can see people surrounded by beer, hear some jokes and have a pub crawl on the program. But if you start having drunk people making fools of themselves on camera, you are hurting your brand. And you open the door to this kind of random stuff happening, stuff that quickly can get out of control.

I don't care if some idiots decide to od on drugs before a live audience while advocating for mass suicide or whatever idiotic things people rave about when under the influence of whatever crap they take. What we should care about here is if these things hurt the game. This was not a big deal and it's not a major issue, it was basically a stupid thing done by drunk people. But it was certainly not good so without making a big deal out of it, what's going to happen is this is going to be kept under control and people will make sure it doesn't repeat itself.

Now please continue with the most entertaining drama.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#198 - 2012-03-26 16:59:53 UTC
Killer Gandry wrote:
But you have to admit that there are people out there who take this kind of stuff way too serious. Is Mittens someone who is qualified to see if this guy is merely seeking attention or has reeal suicidal tendencies?


Fine.

Then I am going to launch a petition against everyone who has threatened me real world harm. I expect CCP to permaban them. I also expect them to release their real names so I can pursue a police investigation.

Should take quite a bit of time, since the instances here number in the dozens.

Or, perhaps, I can accept that words do not always convey their literal meaning and some are meant for effect over substance.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Obviously Confidential
#199 - 2012-03-26 17:00:54 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
deal with it~


Then again they might force you to resign as CSM head. Or from the CSM. Or ban you temporarly. Or forever.

But how will the voters react then?

EVE drama, best drama
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#200 - 2012-03-26 17:05:27 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Killer Gandry wrote:
But you have to admit that there are people out there who take this kind of stuff way too serious. Is Mittens someone who is qualified to see if this guy is merely seeking attention or has reeal suicidal tendencies?


Fine.

Then I am going to launch a petition against everyone who has threatened me real world harm. I expect CCP to permaban them. I also expect them to release their real names so I can pursue a police investigation.

Should take quite a bit of time, since the instances here number in the dozens.

Or, perhaps, I can accept that words do not always convey their literal meaning and some are meant for effect over substance.


You will report out-of-game issues regarding harassment, such as threatening phone calls or correspondence, to your local law enforcement officials or Internet provider. CCP will not reveal personal information about its subscribers to unauthorized individuals.

If someone threatens me in the real world I don't petition CCP. I call the cops.
The cops then can have CCP release their real names to them and take the matter further.

Depending the outcome of such an investigation CCP may decide to either ban, warn or ignore that player.


You really should start reading up on the rules you agreed upon before trying to sound smug.