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passive tanking vangaurds

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Tayuya
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-03-25 08:46:40 UTC
wondering if its possible to fit a max passive shield tank fit on a rattlesnakex10 and do incursions like that
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-03-25 08:54:23 UTC
Probably not. It'd be terrible isk/h anyway, since you get paid to complete the site, not just tank it.
Tayuya
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-03-25 09:35:27 UTC
i guess 50 t2 drones dont do damage with a 50% ship bonus to damage Pirate
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-03-25 11:17:17 UTC
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-03-25 12:33:05 UTC
I get the feeling the tank would melt. Big fat sig targets for the torps.

If not .. then yeah the APPLIED dps would suck. There is a big difference between dps and effective dps.

Go and try ... only way to be sure ! ... Make sure to fraps with 720p at minimum and have the voice channel there too .. I want to hear the screams from the burning ships.
Tayuya
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-03-25 13:55:08 UTC
Cedo Nulli wrote:
I get the feeling the tank would melt. Big fat sig targets for the torps.

If not .. then yeah the APPLIED dps would suck. There is a big difference between dps and effective dps.

Go and try ... only way to be sure ! ... Make sure to fraps with 720p at minimum and have the voice channel there too .. I want to hear the screams from the burning ships.


i never said that it would be as good as a 10man fleet clear times. buf if you are trying to solo a 10man fleet (with 10 accounts) and maybe a few off grid boosters it would be easiest with low maint pilots so naturally drone boats.

but even if 1 site took you 30minutes thats 200mill an hour.

theory crafting would be significantly easier than taking a year to train 10 whole accounts up to the ability to do this just for this 1 single purpose.
bubble trout
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-03-25 14:31:42 UTC
Need 5 people on grind to get the max payout, up to 10. IIRC, you get 0 if you did somehow solo it.
Tayuya
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-03-25 14:35:06 UTC
bubble trout wrote:
Need 5 people on grind to get the max payout, up to 10. IIRC, you get 0 if you did somehow solo it.



reading comprehension is hard.

ten pilots. ten cliens. one human player.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#9 - 2012-03-25 14:53:14 UTC
Possible? ... I suppose so, though you'd need to put some shield transfers on the things and spider tank them, because I'm pretty sure a Rattler can't be reasonably fit to tank them completely. At all worthwhile? Not a chance.
Tayuya
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-03-25 14:56:56 UTC
mxzf wrote:
Possible? ... I suppose so, though you'd need to put some shield transfers on the things and spider tank them, because I'm pretty sure a Rattler can't be reasonably fit to tank them completely. At all worthwhile? Not a chance.

any ideas on how much dps a vanguard site puts out? im not really sure
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#11 - 2012-03-25 15:09:26 UTC  |  Edited by: mxzf
I know that two logi boats and all ships having 70%+ shield resists is considered 'safe' (assuming the Logis don't lag out or anything).

*pulls out calculator*
~76 shield/second/RR
*6 (from my experience, I think 6 RRs was enough for ships to tank ok with 70% resists)
460 shield/second transfered
/0.3 (with 70% shield resists, bare minimum)
~1533 DPS tanked
*1.3 (fudge factor, error, the station-sized sig of a Rattler, and the fact that most people have better than 70% resists)
~2k DPS

So, I think 2k-ish DPS tank should do it.

Disclaimer: I'm not responsible for any losses based on my numbers. They're tossed together from module stats and memory, I'm not promising it'll work out well at all (I'd probably go for more like 2.5k DPS tank if I were you, if not 3k).

Edit: here's a crap-tastic fit which does have the tank numbers I suggested (with 5 others using their RR on you)

[Rattlesnake, Incursion]
Damage Control II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
Heat Dissipation Amplifier II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large 'Regard' Power Projector

Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Garde II x5

With 5x RR on you and a cap chain going, it's cap stable at 40% and has 2.5k DPS tank (with all 5s) and does a whopping 675 DPS. Have fun micromanaging scooping 10x sets of Sentries when the incursion rats agro on them though.

In short, life will suck majorly if you try and do this, you're better off running 10x lvl 4 missions at the same time, and will make better ISK/h doing that too.
Vito Antonio
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-03-25 15:10:31 UTC
Tayuya wrote:

any ideas on how much dps a vanguard site puts out? im not really sure

enough to kill your drones
bubble trout
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-03-25 15:58:05 UTC
Reading comprehension isn't the first thing to return to someone first thing in the morning.Oops
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-03-25 16:04:56 UTC
Tayuya wrote:


but even if 1 site took you 30minutes thats 200mill an hour.



200 mil split by 10 accounts ... 20mil per hour ... damn youd make more mining.



Allso .. any fleet that would see 10 rattlers in a site would just swoop in to see the droneshow and steal every site from you.

So in practical terms is quite garbage ... I guess some joy can be extracted from theorycrafting the deed thou.
Tayuya
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-03-26 00:01:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Tayuya
you realize whoever did it would own all 10 accounts? your math of 20mill an hour makes no sense.
contesting is not going to happen on every single site that pops up. but like i said even if **** like that happens and you end up having an average site at 30minutes is 200mill an hour. doubt it would be that high.
best case scenario would be 1 bill isk an hour though. that would be fun.

also trading 30% of your fleet from logi to more dps would more even out the lower general dps of drone boats than turret boats.
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
#16 - 2012-03-26 00:52:14 UTC
As someone who actually has experience soloing sites with a bunch of alts, I'll do some 'splainin for you:

An OTA is suicide for a solo pilot, so they're left out.

An NCO peaks at about 2500 DPS, and even then not for long if you focus the commander rat that spawns in the third wave.

An NMC has about 1300 dps in the first wave, em/therm, 1500 in the second, exp/kin, and about 1200 in the third with a mix of all damage types. Easiest one to tank by far, the least sought after site type, so in general the best to aim for since competition is a ***** when you're multiboxing.

That said, if you're interested in multiboxing vanguards you should shoot me a mail/convo, I'm finally getting back into it myself and I welcome fresh faces in the multiboxers club Bear
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#17 - 2012-03-26 01:18:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Tayuya wrote:

any ideas on how much dps a vanguard site puts out? im not really sure

Incoming DPS near the end of an OTA is somewhere around 6000 if you just go DDD. Around 3500 if you go AAD AAD D.

Highest dps in an NCO is somewhere around 2500 during the wave with the Sansha's Nation Commander, and also when you get the double spawn after killing the first niarja. There's actually a bit more, coming from the eysturs, but they fail at hitting stationary targets.

Highest dps in an NMC is about 1500, during the initial wave.

thhief ghabmoef

Tayuya
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-03-26 03:15:26 UTC
doesnt the nco have mostly close orbit frigs.

wondering how good just smart bombing would work out.

but seems like it would not be hard to tank a nmc without a logi its pretty easy to get a rattlesnake to get a tank that high. and that is only assuming 1 of them has full pocket agro for the entire time. but they tend to swap targets alot not really staying on 1 the whole time. and then they have 50 drones to decide from too.

now just to obtain such skill pilots x10 >.>
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#19 - 2012-03-26 06:13:58 UTC
Smart bombs wouldn't work....the frigs orbit at 12km mostly

thhief ghabmoef

Dyniss
KarmaFleet University
#20 - 2012-03-27 03:38:11 UTC
Me and a group of people from TDF actually did a NCO with assault frigs was quite a challange! also passive tanks or active ones in incursion is stupid the incoming dps is way to much best to stick to the standard set up of 7 damage dealers and 3 logistics
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