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The painful lack of POS security options....
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#21 - 2012-03-25 19:59:03 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
Darod Zyree wrote:
You seem to be forgetting or at least not accepting that theft is as much a part of this game as shooting sleepers is.
Removing all options to steal ships and items from shared hanger tabs/ship maintenance arrays damages the thieving game play.

There are other (maybe even better) solutions than to ask CCP to remove a game profession.


Can't say i agree with you in any way. Stealing is a viable profession for scum, if thats what your into, and should be able to be done if thats your thing, but only by slowly gaining the trust of the corp/alliance you have targeted. By making it immediately possible upon entering a corp is self-defeating, and pretty poor considering that the whole game is based upon corporations and alliances. Eve always has the risk-to-reward ratio, which is probably why so many people go for the risk-free stealing approach. For the quite franky massive rewards you get from being the sort of player willing to steal other peoples achievements, there should be a big-layer of security involved to bypass first.

Maybe i should setup a corp hanger per 7 players? Shocked



Its not immediately possible upon entering a corp, so your entire argument is invalid.

There is a big layer of security to bypass first. The first step is getting the past the API check.. The second step is getting the access to the wormhole. The third step is getting access to the corp hangar, the final step is getting access to POS management.

Any corporation that decides to forego the API check deserves to be robbed blind.

Canada Bill Jones wrote:
It's immoral to let a sucker keep his money

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#22 - 2012-03-25 20:29:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Xen Solarus
Cipher Jones wrote:

Its not immediately possible upon entering a corp, so your entire argument is invalid.


Lol, if that was the case, then the link i posted in the first post of this thread wouldn't have happened. And yet it did. Plus many, many examples throughout eve history, some listed in this very thread. (Does anyone bother to read threads before posting these days?) Thus it is very possible to happen, making your opinion invalid. Of course, it takes someone running the show who's not really clued up on what he's doing, but thats more than possible with the confusing nature of the corp security options, and the abundance of morons playing eve. Luckly i don't fall into that category, with our second POS established, all our stuff is as safe as houses! Or it takes a very smart, patient spy, gaining trust and waiting for the perfect moment to strike!

Its just everyone else that could potentially suffer some stealing scum doing his thing. Seems there's very little to stop them. Perhaps the best no-risk to reward ratio of them all!

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
Ordais
DARK ORCHESTRA
#23 - 2012-03-26 02:01:50 UTC
Some ppl just don't get it as they never had to manage anything....they just like talking alot.

To gain trust in you we have to play together. To play together in EvE i have to trust you first. See the problem?

Examples:
- WH - you need a POS to stage in. POS = kinda expensive/month. So, i have to let you into a POS...from day one. If i don't, we can't play together = you can't gain my trust.
- Research - to do effective research you need a POS. To use a POS you need rights. I have to trust you to give you rights. If i don't, you CAN'T do research. When we talk about rights we talk about "factory manager" and "rent slots", = you can see ALL JOBS DONE in the corp....and you can CANCEL ALL JOBS...its "all or nothing". If i don't set visibility of hangars right, you can even steal a BPO by launching the job in a restricted hangar (yes right, no take-access) and putting the bpo-output in a hangar asigned to you. HOW is this working as intended?
- Reactons/Production - same thing as above.

The only solution today is to NOT work together or split up in multiple corps/alliances = alot of 1-7man corps. How is that working as intended in a game where you want to play together?

I say again, i'm all for stealing/scamming and stuff. Tbh, fixing the mentioned things would even make it easier as you could work your way up from day 1. Today i just don't trust you and put you in your own corp, so you can't do any harm at all = no stealing/scamming for you. I see no benefit for both parties in this.
Endeavour Starfleet
#24 - 2012-03-26 02:06:56 UTC
Darod Zyree wrote:
You seem to be forgetting or at least not accepting that theft is as much a part of this game as shooting sleepers is.
Removing all options to steal ships and items from shared hanger tabs/ship maintenance arrays damages the thieving game play.

There are other (maybe even better) solutions than to ask CCP to remove a game profession.


Um NO!

Removing all options? Get a dumb ceo to give you roles and all new security is bypassed.

Letting nullsec continue to be broken beyond belief so you can continue to steal from small corps is beyond silly.
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