Missions & Complexes

I honestly just want the communities opinion on this, but do complexes (both rated and unrated) need to be redone?

If so, what do you think needs to be changed about them and why?

No, I don't think plexes need to be changed. At least not in regards to drops.

Edit: trolling removed - ISD Eshtir

If anything, plexes should be more variable. But as far as loot drop changes: no. I like rolling the dice, and if that deters some from exploration, good. It's getting crowded out there.

Edit: Off topic remarks removed - ISD Eshtir

So far so good +1




Not really agree here -0.5

But yeah complexes are overpowered.

Actually sure. The two things that sorta bug me are:

1. There are a number of complexes where you come up against a formidable spawn, but basically all you have to do is pop the "boss" , bookmark his wreck, warp and let the site respawn. Granted I like being able to finish them quickly like this, but it seems a little like cheating.

2. Sites that have a first room that the gate is locked. I think it would be more interesting to change the unlock mechanics. Make the keys one time use. Make the first room respawn on a timer. So if you make it thru the gate,someone coming behind you would have to wait for the respawn to get their own key. Buys you a little time. Could also make lowsec more interesting (can I finish before the pirates get a respawn and make it through).

I recall an mmo years ago where many missions were like this. It was slightly more tedious if you are running as a group as everyone woud have to get a key from the first room. But overall it sometimes made for interesting competition.

I also don't think guaranteed drops are any good. If anything, I would like more variation in the drops, maybe even more variation in spawns. As much as I use EvE Survival and such sites for reports on the sites, it feels a little like cheating. I would like to see more need for adaptation.

[quote=Azemar]I honestly just want the communities opinion on this, but do complexes (both rated and unrated) need to be redone

If so, what do you think needs to be changed about them and why?[/quote

Asking the question in such plain form, expect wide range of answers. You need to be a bit more specific, like hi/low or 0.0 plexes you are talking about

I would not get into drop rate issue, which is not really big deal and been discussed hundreds times already

What really bother me is imba of hi sec DED rewards, especially Gurista's ones. I just went out for my little weekend hi sec probing voyage and got about billion from the very first GSO I have found. I do not have any problems with such grate loot I got myself, neither I have problems that anybody else have such luck and got insta "rich". The thing is, hi sec rewards too attractive compare for low sec, especially considering the fact of almost no risk in hi sec exploration. The sites themselves are bored as any mission at the end of the day. Only rewards make them exiting. And some sites, for example, Guristas Watch or Vigil, in terms of difficulty and rewards nothing close to 3/10 or 4/10. Sure, you can finish last step of Watch in couple of minutes, and get A-Type small SB. But the probability rate of such expedition even less than the same SB drop from 3/10. So, what I am talking about is a bit tweaking of drop tables, not drop rates. For example, I honestly believe, expeditions for hi sec to low sec should drop B-Type medium gear, if follow the logic of low-sec non rated escalations, leading to 0.0 and dropping A-Type medium gear

The second thing what should be looked in a bit, is the fact, that exploration is not mini profession anymore, as it used to be. And there is almost no difference between seasoned explorers and someone who just got a Tengu or dual boxing with couple of 2 weeks old chars in terms of requirements to be successful explorer in hi/low sec. o.o is a bit different story tho.

Well, I can agree with you logic about A-Type -low/ A-Med 0.0 but that is not a point. My point is that hi-sec non rated combat last step drop table can be revised at some point to make them a bit along with DED profitability.
So, answering to OP questions, I think the "existing logic" can be changed.




I think we have had discussion about prices for different mods from different faction, so no need to explain here basics of market economy.



Well, we still consider it as mini-profession, but I would rather say "specialization". You may agree or not, but today environment is nothing close to what is used to be , let's say 3 years ago.

According 2 weeks characters. well, you may be not be able to compete with armadas of Tengues, but definitely can pull out some serious ISK within short period of time.

From another hand, if someone can fly a Drake, lets say 6 month old char, nothing stops him to became competitive explorer within 2 weeks using 2nd char for probing.

Should I write Exploration Almanac II for this matter? :-)

Loot from complexes is fine. RNG is RNG, sometimes you win and sometimes you don't. Last week one night I ran 8 GSO's. The first six had nothing but OPEs and trash loot. Right after telling myself "after next site I'm going to bed" I ran one more and got a shield booster and invuln field, 850 mil just like that. The unpredictability of exploration is what keeps it fun for me, you just never know when you're gonna make it big.

That said, if there was anything I could change to exploration it would be those awful mag sites (speaking for high sec, supposedly low sec ones got buffed but I'm not comfortable with low sec exploration quite yet). Very very rarely will I get a piece of T2 salvages; normally it's nothing but malfunctioning shield emitters, smashed triggers and the like. I think I've read that the average yield of a high sec radar are from 6-8 mil. What's the harm in buffing mags to at least that level of average yield?

make the rooms dynamic ... f.e. Serp 4/10, make at least 3-4 different 2nd rooms with even probability to spawn. Similar for the other rated plexes.

unrated I have not much experience with. I find them very rarely.

also +1 for the consumable gate keys ... just make it so that the gate locks after 2 minutes so gang can jump in some reasonable time frame.

drops are fine ...