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New Dev Blog: CSM election results

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Ersteen Hofs
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#81 - 2012-03-26 00:40:11 UTC
I think CCP should only allow voting to accounts that were CONTINUOUSLY active for more than 5 months before the elections so goons would have to pay 5 times more than they do now, this way CCP will get 5x more money from them so everybody wins!
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#82 - 2012-03-26 01:07:43 UTC
Chribba wrote:
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Well said.

thhief ghabmoef
Stirko Hek
New Home Industries
#83 - 2012-03-26 03:03:46 UTC
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:

It's not that you're a sperger incapable of acknowledging differing opinions or that, God forbid, you may be wrong and people might not all approve in masse of your ideas after all; you're a valiant crusader for Invisible Pubbies (Mittens 2012).


i'd just like to note that as a sperger myself, I'm fully capable of admitting I'm wrong when it's plain that what I just suggested/did/said/etc was bloody ********.

However, I haven't tried to reinvent the concept of a representitive election system nor had a good cry over why Teh Evil Mittens has taken over the CSM.

It's an election for a council of players for an MMO. We are not electing the World President/literal King of Space here. I would advise there are much better things to place emotional investment in. Maybe buy a cat, Veshta Yoshida/whining people?
Marduk Nibiru
Chaos Delivery Systems
#84 - 2012-03-26 04:16:16 UTC
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:
Really, there're three options if you really dislike the results of this election or goons or something.

1. Grow up a little. CCP's focus for this year is looking more and more like it's going to be on industry and PvE which is what a good chunk of the angry folks wanted to begin with. We'll still ask for changes to PvP as well, but that's because there're still clear issues.

2. Whine and ***** and demand changes to the voting mechanics, amusing us and rendering yourself irrelevant. Even if the voting mechanics were changed, we'd still win because the conspiracy theories that keep getting proposed only exist in your heads. Of course, when the mechanic changes fail, you'll still be convinced that we cheated somehow so you'll come up with new ones.

In reality, it's all just a mask for what you really want, which is to force the CSM to be what you think it should be, because you think there's a silent majority out there that agrees with you. It's not that you're a sperger incapable of acknowledging differing opinions or that, God forbid, you may be wrong and people might not all approve in masse of your ideas after all; you're a valiant crusader for Invisible Pubbies (Mittens 2012).

Why, oh why won't the CSM listen to the silent majority?

Because they're silent.

And non-existent.

You stupid pubbie.

3. Create your own voting bloc and push a candidate. You won't do this because it might require discovering that not all that many people agree with you after all, and you'll end up having to confront your own flaws. Also you're probably a lazy ball of fat whose big initiative today was waddling from the computer to the fridge to the bathroom to the computer and maybe thinking about taking a shower (you didn't).


Why so mad?
Damion Rayne
Panoptic
#85 - 2012-03-26 04:58:37 UTC
Ah, the CSM..the excuse for bad community managers. The CSM is a scam, Mittens even admitted they manipulated the voting on this. How can CCP even tolerate this?

Goons + Something Awful = Threat to Eve Online as a whole. These people cross the line all the time, taking things into the real world out side Eve. Cheating, using real world threats of violence, using real world threats of black mail, they hack, they abuse, they exploit. They are the enemy and they must be destroyed.

ROA
Sidus Sarmiang
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2012-03-26 05:11:53 UTC
Marduk Nibiru wrote:

Why so mad?



What a witty pubbie, using a catchphrase that's only two years old! Bet you got all excited and flustered thinking about how cool you'd be once you posted it!

I'm not so much mad as I'm happy we won by a lot, and I'm rubbing it in the faces of people like yourself and the post below yours.

Here's another old catch phrase.

Deal with it.
Stirko Hek
New Home Industries
#87 - 2012-03-26 05:16:57 UTC
Damion Rayne wrote:
Ah, the CSM..the excuse for bad community managers. The CSM is a scam, Mittens even admitted they manipulated the voting on this. How can CCP even tolerate this?

Goons + Something Awful = Threat to Eve Online as a whole. These people cross the line all the time, taking things into the real world out side Eve. Cheating, using real world threats of violence, using real world threats of black mail, they hack, they abuse, they exploit. They are the enemy and they must be destroyed.


Oh wow. Just oh wow. That's awesome. Are all your posts as hilarious as this one? I'll let you in on a tip. Tin foil hats actually make it easier to read your thoughts. Doesn't that just blow your mind?
Amarana Idalo
Osnins Institute
#88 - 2012-03-26 06:00:53 UTC
I suspect the gender reporting is under-counting the number of women playing eve.

5% seems rather low, and my friends wondered where CCP was getting their gender demographics.

I checked my account information and found that there is a gender field and mine was incorrectly marked "male". I don't remember ever answering that question, and I know my tendency is to avoid providing additional marketing information by answering demographic questions. So I'm wondering if it just defaulted to male instead of "not answered".
evereplicant
Doomheim
#89 - 2012-03-26 12:12:52 UTC
yay for power bloc rigged voting system.... seriously what a joke these elections are.
Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2012-03-26 12:46:49 UTC
Laechyd Eldgorn wrote:
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Trebor Daehdoow - HiSec, generally people who don't know how to play this game
...

I am a perfect representative for my constituents, then... Twisted

Private Citizen • CSM in recovery
Di Mulle
#91 - 2012-03-26 12:54:08 UTC
Dibble Dabble wrote:
The CSM is a joke and and of those 10,000 who voted for the goons I wonder how many are paid for accounts rather than alliance funded plex noob accounts?

Lets hope that CCP have the balls to admit the CSM election was rigged and to abolish it.


The CSM is a joke. Maybe. Why it is so important is it rigged or not then ?

Make up your mind... if there is one.
<<Insert some waste of screen space here>>
DaiTengu
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2012-03-26 15:04:02 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
Laechyd Eldgorn wrote:
...
Trebor Daehdoow - HiSec, generally people who don't know how to play this game
...

I am a perfect representative for my constituents, then... Twisted


The important question is: with your voting base, can you convince DNSBLACK to let someone else do your alliance panel next year? His presentation was even worse than Michael Bolton's.
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#93 - 2012-03-26 16:47:11 UTC
Soldarius wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
So 8,477 voters were 30 days old... democracy at its finest. Roll


Of those accounts, I would love to know to whom they gave their votes.



You might not like what you find out from that and its possible, even probable that its not who you expect who got them ;)
Imuran
Zentor Industries
#94 - 2012-03-26 20:04:15 UTC
Soldarius wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
So 8,477 voters were 30 days old... democracy at its finest. Roll


Of those accounts, I would love to know to whom they gave their votes.



Me to - have my doubts if we will see the break down though
Chokichi Ozuwara
Perkone
Caldari State
#95 - 2012-03-26 20:57:21 UTC
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:
Also you're probably a lazy ball of fat whose big initiative today was waddling from the computer to the fridge to the bathroom to the computer and maybe thinking about taking a shower (you didn't).

You should settle down sonny. It's just the internet.

Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round.
Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#96 - 2012-03-26 22:18:57 UTC
DaiTengu wrote:
The important question is: with your voting base, can you convince DNSBLACK to let someone else do your alliance panel next year? His presentation was even worse than Michael Bolton's.

I have conveyed your concerns to BLACK and he wishes to discuss them with you in person. Please let me know where you hang out and he'll drop in when he has a spare moment.

Private Citizen • CSM in recovery
Damion Rayne
Panoptic
#97 - 2012-03-26 22:21:30 UTC
I'll say it again,

Mittens is a direct threat to CCP and Eve Online. He should be made, forced, to resign. His direct admission of having rigged, exploited and generally abused the voting system is proof of his and his fellow goons one real desire, "To Destroy Eve Online."

Goon Swarm is a direct threat to CCP as a company, and a Direct Threat to Eve Online as a whole. With continued threats of real world violence, real world black mail, and exploitation, and the threat of more erroneous court cases levied against CCP as they've done in the past, Something Awful and Goonswarm should be destroyed as an entity.

These people are thee absolute worst humanity has to offer. They talk about how dark and deadly Eve Online is, which is true, I've pirated, lost ships, killed people, it's dark and deadly and things happen..

But when you take it outside the game world and literally send death threats to eve online players in the real world, you cross a line. I wonder how a goon would feel if the things they do to others were done to them? if they are truly the insanely immature pieces of garbage I think they are, they might just giggle at it.

All in all, goons and SA and Mittens are all a direct threat to our game and our community.

ROA
Harold Tuphlos
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#98 - 2012-03-26 22:42:07 UTC
Damion Rayne wrote:
I'll say it again,

Mittens is a direct threat to CCP and Eve Online. He should be made, forced, to resign. His direct admission of having rigged, exploited and generally abused the voting system is proof of his and his fellow goons one real desire, "To Destroy Eve Online."

Goon Swarm is a direct threat to CCP as a company, and a Direct Threat to Eve Online as a whole. With continued threats of real world violence, real world black mail, and exploitation, and the threat of more erroneous court cases levied against CCP as they've done in the past, Something Awful and Goonswarm should be destroyed as an entity.

These people are thee absolute worst humanity has to offer. They talk about how dark and deadly Eve Online is, which is true, I've pirated, lost ships, killed people, it's dark and deadly and things happen..

But when you take it outside the game world and literally send death threats to eve online players in the real world, you cross a line. I wonder how a goon would feel if the things they do to others were done to them? if they are truly the insanely immature pieces of garbage I think they are, they might just giggle at it.

All in all, goons and SA and Mittens are all a direct threat to our game and our community.



More Please!
ferzm
Pampa Corp
#99 - 2012-03-26 22:48:07 UTC
did read trough following
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Csm
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CSM_meeting_protocol
and just loled

my rl background: I'm a simple guy, in a simple dev job. that's eating valuable lifetime with too much customer carebearing for too little money.

for what it's worth. I have scratched some basics now in EVE. Didn't get to play as much as I liked to and am off and on infrequently. Am still hesitant to join any player corp .. didn't get to it, because of infrequent gameplay and well the "Don't trust anybody in EVE" Dogma
Sitting now on 2m SP with probably experience compared to (my best guess) an average casual ~200k SP highsec player.
I obviously don't know anything

I loged in and saw some fanfest stuff, got to know about the "CSM" and watched some keynotes on the evetv stream.


CSM? for real? I don't get it.
It's like to have one tester of my software sitting around the weekly table. And him somehow taking care (in his time (not being paid or bribed to do so)) of all the other testers and getting their info. happily sitting there to streamline back and forth?
why? it's just fail.
I, someone or some team does read trough tester feedback, bugreports, ideas. marking up stuff getting stuff into meetings etc etc etc etc it's the typical drill (not even IT specific)

And as far as I can tell 'CSM' stuff sounds like -> "that's why you have ComunityManagers!!". Falls in my little world into a internal team, paid and dedicated to parse and listen trough shitloads of customer info and streamlining stuff to CM(s) which routes stuff to the big heads deciding big stuff. Sure they also will listen to employee concerns and will route info in a "the guy who said that will not get fired"-way.

Well that was the point where I had to read some recent history -.-
_jita protesting a addon/patch/whatever-it's-called ago_
I really lack the ability/skill to see that the CSM back then was the hero at the end of the day to fly to the CEO and defeat all the danger. it's no action movie ffs! CCP had to fail a certain amount of time before and not just one time only. It had to be a chain-of-fail with no safety net that chought the shitstorm. In the end players unsubed and players "jita riot"ed .. until someone at CCP noticed it.
Anyway back to now
So even if CSM does make sense somehow. which it totally doesn't!
why should I trust CSM?! they are EVE players! right? That in it self just nullifies it.
As far as I can tell the whole CSM concept is fail.


The good thing is that CCP more then once told now at fanfest that they will listen to players.
so they have staff now in a dedicated manner that will listen to players. that is a good thing! \o/
Sidus Sarmiang
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2012-03-27 00:10:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Sidus Sarmiang
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:

You should settle down sonny. It's just the internet.


It's just the internet, but you guys get so upset over things I can't help but be smug.


And to the dude above me, I had trouble understanding your rambling wall of text, but it seems you admit you're a new player that doesn't play EVE much. Your opinion does not matter here regardless of how much developing you do beyond your contribution as a single player (which isn't much).