Ships & Modules

Removing fleet boosting capabilites of all T3 cruiser would be wise. Make command ships viable for the time it takes to train... might as well remove them completely if not.

Heavy Missiles are too powerful. They project damage faaar beyond why any medium turret can compare too, even when the turret is using T2 long range ammo, unless said turret boat uses a lot of mods to increase range. The range on those things needs to be brought in line, then a ship with a Heavy missile range bonus might be worth something.

Come on.. you must admit his trolling deserves a 8.5/10 Extremely well executed and with very little text. Based upon a latent fear of the community based on a common altough self denied perception that the tengu is overpowered :P

why would you necro a two month old topic with an incoherent wall of text? what's wrong with you?

Loki is already the second best T3 and on pair with Tengu if you put aside Command subs.
Tengu does not need nerf of any kind except that stupid command ship but hey, it's not like Booster Lokis were unknown right?
Nerf that command sub on all T3's is a very nice thing but then Tengu or Loki don't need any sort of nerf, on the other let's see what's bad on those T3's:

-Legion: awful HAM sub, Laser sub would like another hard point but maybe needs to trade a low for this (less tank moar gank)

Don't know much about this ship but these two points seem to come back again and again by people using them very often.

-Tengu: Can't fir a rack of Blasters with hybrid sub so rails don't even try or you'll commit hara kiri. Ham's Tengu don't like it

-Proteus: Probably the worst drone boat of all, command sub is ridiculous but I will not complain here and actually would like all T3 command subs just go down the toilets.
Can't fit a decent rack of Rails and fit decent active tank without making far too much sacrifice at the point it becomes pointless, hell even without active tank fit rails on Proteus is pointless (all med Rails are total crap and med blasters still need some work)

-Loki: sacrifices far too much stuff to fit a decent rack of 720's but at least it can (Proteus don't), good DPS with AC excellent shield or armor tanked ship, can permanently run a large shield booster cap stable and still have a decent dps.

Actually I can't find those ships overpowered, they all have very strong points for something but some subs are weak and are not in need of nerfs, be it the pimped Tengu every one and his mother hates for stupid reasons, the battleship gank dps Proteus, the uber Tengu hunter armor tank double faction web Loki or the almost unbreakable Legion Brick.

I don't like the command subs anyway and think those T3 ships shouldn't be touched in any 0.000000001% before Cruiser/Battlecruiser rebalance, then see if they need nerfs or buffs, they need more buffs than nerfs right now, after cruiser/Battlecruiser rebalance it will be worst, but yes Command subs are OP on Tengu and Loki.

Just an opinion, any way until this rebalance stuff really comes up thousands if not millions will be born and others die.

Soon (TM by CCP) means in a couple years.

Instead of crying "nrf mumma nerf" fit those ships all T2 stuff and then come again say they're overpowered, they're not. Command sub needs to go away YES, give them a better logistic role YES, nerf them when those have the heaviest drawback just by undocking with before cap ships it's just plain silly and bad for the game.

The amarr T2 line up is pretty Craptastic.....excluding the recons.

Just like caldari, if you think the falcon and room are Crap I have news for you.

Counterpoints: Zealot. Devoter. Guardian. Damnation. Absolution. Heretic. Sentinel. Purifier. Vengeance. Retribution.

Amarr have a very strong T2 lineup, maybe not if all you want is "SOLO BRAWLMAN LONEWOLF PVP" but certainly not "craptastic" by any stretch.

Lol dude, Amarr are just fantastic, more spec than some other races because dmg selection (vs Calamari or Matarr), but they're definitively good and have an excellent representation from small pvp to large fleets.
in fact, I think Amarr is probably the most balanced pvp race, they have very strong points and also very strong drawbacks but some how they have a very decent line up not being top dogs but sure not underdogs.

Hopefully they bring them in line with other cruisers (lower just about all of the stats/bonuses) so that they don't obsolete any of them. And then all that needs to happen is make warfare links only work when on grid.

I just want to see the T3's bonuses brought below there T2 counter parts. The big one here is the command bonuses BUT they all should be lower than T2's. T2's get between 3-6 bonuses some static role some buy skill level, all focused at a single goal.
On the other hand you have T3' which aside from there over heat bonuses get 5-9 other things and some exclusive to the hull(like the over heat) BUT there really needs to be more subsystems, drones for amarr missiles for minnie and the missing Ewar for not caldari just to name a few.
At the end of the day what makes a T3 great should be the choices and versatility not out doing one thing, that's what T2 is for. Right now that's not what were seeing, T3's have replaced all races command ships, some races HAC's, Some races Ewar ships, and some races sneaky sneaky Recons.
Now i love what they have done for small gang work BUT stepping on other ships toes to do it kinda sucks, all and all tho its rather moot in this necro thread as they will be "balancing" T1 cruisers and hopefully there T2 counter parts and with that perhaps the T3 will be the one in need of buffs.



And as always remember when in dought ask for a nerf to armor caps, Dark Lord knows they need them.