EVE General Discussion

Another problem with this idea which hasn't been mentioned yet is that it favours players with more, and especially older, alts.

One way of circumventing the docking restrictions would be to have a neutral carrier alt own all the goods. When the FW character needed to reship from a station they were locked out of, they could simply put the ship inside the carrier, undock it, and reship from the carrier's hangar.

If you have a carrier alt you can set up a base in any system. If you do not have a carrier alt you cannot. This skews the game heavily in favour of the older, richer players. It will not encourage people to join FW.

So what rewards would those be Baltec, A massively devalued LP store? The possibility of some control over cyno jammers?

Nothing CCP has proposed outweighs the disadvantages of losing docking rights and losing access to your stuff. Even if it did, why would you join anything but one of the winning militias?

I like restricting enemies from docking in each others station. This was one of the better Ideas in the presentation. In fact i do not think they are taking it far enough. I think that in addition to not docking in an enemy militias station no player should be able to dock in a station that they have a -5 or lower standing with.

Also I think that when you take a system your militias agents replace the enemies agents in the station.

What exactly is stopping them from doing that now?

You could lose everything and still have the ever safe high sec right next door. Its not like you have to travel 40 odd jumps to get back into your warzone like I have to. Even if you do have your stuff in a low sec station, the enemy will need at least 24-48 hours to take the station which is plenty of time to evac.

The lack of any real advantage in being in one militia rather than another. People joining for reasons unrelated to the strength of the militia keeps things at least somewhat balanced as it's almost random.




Or you could just leave militia and be able to keep your stuff wherever you wanted it. As I've said a dozen times in this thread, it's not that we couldn't work around a docking ban, it's that it creates an unwanted incentive to not be in militia.

I'm afraid this analogy fails completely when applied to FW. The key difference is that the captain of the Bismarck didn't have a "quit Kreigsmarine" button on his bridge that would let him have access to British ports while still actively hunting atlantic convoys. If he did he would have been a fool not to press it. In the fanfest proposals we would have exactly such a button.

Docking in stations in enemy territory doesn't make much sense from a roleplay perspective. But letting people quit militia and then be able to dock makes no sense from a roleplay or a practical perspective. Keeping docking rights really is the lesser of two evils.




Docking rights are what was proposed at fanfest, but the addition of any significant penalty is much the same.

Cowards and stupid.




You also lose all of the benefits of the milita. However if you stay in the milita your faction stands a much better chance of taking back the station than in 0.0

+1 on both counts. Why are Republic Security Services stations located deep in Amarr & Caldari territory? If you're spying on the Amarr, surely you'd use Freedom Exchange or some such?

So let me see if I`ve got this right, as a Caldari militiaman in Gallente controlled space, you think you should have unrestricted access to its infrastructure? Pretty sure that`s quite the opposite of whate you should have.

The simple fact is, you are at war, and you should not have access to facilities `controlled` by the opposing faction, and you should be at a disadvantage. I do however think that putting a mechanic in place to prevent people from hopping between militias and/or going neutral is a given, and it should be significant so as to completely discourage it. Something like, if you leave you can return to your own faction after two weeks, but to join the opposing you have to wait a few months.

No one is going to wait a few months to change from Minmatar to Amarr because the slaves are losing the fight (obviously,) it just wouldnt be worth it.

Edit: As far as the argument about stations belonging to enemy factions in contested territory, those are relics from before the introduction of faction warfare, and indeed it is not unheard of in real war for an occupying force to capture and hold enemy fortifications - yet another argument for restricting access to stations.

I feel like I can argue the opposite with concern to jumpclones, reinforcement timers, armor plates (?) and even to some extent PLEXes (assuming you are referring to complexes) as having some sort of RP backdrop. How will it affect the way players behave? Well one of two things will happen either a) fw players will actually fight eachother with more vigor than before, and with purpose, or b) there will be a mass exodus because they`ve suddenly realized that the broken system they`ve been playing has been fixed and brought in line with the difficulty level of war in other areas of the game. I honestly expect that if you are in FW for FW than `a` is the more likely thing that will happen here.

An interesting point, while not quite the same, and correct me if I`m wrong and just missed the thread; has anyone noticed that the `Neutral` lowsec residents - the outlaws haven`t been kicking up a **** storm at the prospect of having there ability to resupply themselves made more difficult. I`m of course referring to the proposed cyno jammers. Being that these folks have trained alts to ferry stuff for them in Jump Freighters/Carriers you would think, especially those living in FW systems away from high-sec would be a bit upset at how much harder its going to be to keep there hangars supplied. Yet they haven`t complained?



Quite simply if they don`t join because it`s too hard, they probably wouldn`t have joined to pew pew like FW was intended for in the first place. And whether its an individual or a corp, leaving to go to nullsec, or being a first timer joining the faction that`s winning, the timers I`ve suggested will have no effect on those. It would only effect the people who want to try and game the system, to get around this change, like a deserter or going AWOL (in r/l terms.)