EVE General Discussion

The difference of course is that pirate corps aren't denied access to stations even though they oftentimes have severely negative ratings towards them (due them cherry picking noobs on high sec gates).

Killing NPC corp members only affects your standings towards that NPC corp; it has no impact on your standings towards the corresponding faction. State Protectorate (-9.98) and my own NPC corp (Perkone; -5.7) both think I'm a pretty terrible person, but the Caldari State as a whole says I'm the best thing since sliced bread (+7.4). Maybe they secretly hate their milita or something, idk.

Also, the mechanic proposed by the developers was that members of hostile factions would be locked out of every station in hostile systems, not just those owned by the opposing militia NPC corp.

Losing all access to your assets when you lose a system isn't "null light", that is null. The beauty of lowsec pvp was being able to you know, attend to RL duties, then come and log in, violence internet spaceships, and log off without alarm clock CTAs and ****. It's more casual than nullsec, and it should be. What CCP is doing is effectively turning lowsec into nullsec. This isn't "null-light" if they're adding the most defining feature of nullsec to lowsec.

Also, when a militia starts to lose and people lose access to their assets, that militia will bleed members. This isn't nullsec where there are several dozens of alliances out there ready and willing to move in and replace whoever lost the system to provide targets to everyone else in the region. There are only 4 militias, if a militia fail cascades and bleeds members there isn't an entity out there waiting to replace it. This in turn bores the opposing militia, who then loses membership that go elsewhere to find pew pew.

By all means if CCP wants to kill FW go ahead with these changes. FW as it is now is different than nullsec, it offers a different flavor to players (which is why there has been people in FW all this time despite years of neglect). Proceed with these changes and you're just homogenizing EVE. There won't be a "different flavor" to attract players to lowsec/FW over nullsec, it'll be the same as null so players will just go to null instead. Even members from the "winning militias" think that preventing docking rights is a ******** idea. Their targets go away, so who really wins in this situation?

I agree - being able to pod in, ship out, would be an acceptable term for station lockout. Also, so would restricting the docking privileges to militia stations.

However, the change mentioned was banning docking from ALL stations in a system. This is why I'm saying we need to be really specific in our feedback here, and assume nothing. Just because it's common sense to us, does not mean CCP feels the same way.

It amazes me that the people speaking for these changes are the ones that are *not* in the militia currently, and that most of the FW people here, including - which was rather surprising to me - "our" CSM member, would rather have a fight club than a meaningful war.

FW should not be a fight club, it's supposed to be a war between empires. It deteriorated into this kind of fight clubbish thing not so unlike RvB because it had no consequences whatsoever with the occupancy being pretty meaningless apart from satisfaction and getting fights. It was all it was good for.

Now CCP wants this conflict to have real, meaningful consequences (and of course there's nothing "positive" about them and neither should there be, because tell me why losing a system in a war should have any "positive" consequences to you?) and suddenly all the people that got used to the fight club are rebelling against it.

It's just amazing.

I just don't like the cynojammer, because it seems weird to have them and the idea of having them in lowsec seems definitely not finished at this point. Everything else, including losing access to all stations in an enemy system - is fine.

It's a war.

You're not supposed to base out of an enemy system unless you fight for it and win control over it.

And I say this despite doing exactly that, basing out of some Metropolis, Minmatar sov and occupancy system while being part of the Amarr militia. At least I'll have some very good incentive in capturing it.

Oh, one extra thing though - all that talk about losing access to your ships in Arzad or wherever you Gallente/Caldari folks are located, doesn't take one thing into account - these systems (well at least Arzad, don't know nothing about Gal/Cal systems) are already under your occupancy in addition to you just basing there.

What makes you think CCP will reset the sov/occupancy state? Because if they don't, Arzad gets Minmatar sov and your ships are still accessible just as they are now.

Which, if you read the notes fully, would be countered by the bunker/ihub having a reinforcement timer of some kind. It works pretty well for POCOs. I'm not sure why all of you guys ommit this little, but very important detail.



This is what it's all about, capturing space. I don't believe it will be harder and harder for Amarr to strike back though. We just have to notice then, that 90% of Metropolis is pretty much undefended since all of you slaves are busy in Bleak Lands. FW space isn't just the 10 systems around Auga.



It's only a rainbow colored bandaid for this little bruise the fight club has. It's not something that would make the FW mean anything.

I just love how you responded only to the one sentence of my post. That's some awesome forum warrioring skill right there. How about answering the rest of the sentences? I'm pretty sure I wrote more than that one.

Just look at the numbers involved.

Hans did an awesome job in his running for CSM. He canvassed well, united the militias, got everyone fired up in FW (and a bunch of low and high sec dwellers too) to vote for him with one of his principle concepts being around FW.

However, he only got 2,439 votes. I think we can be reasonably confident that a good percentage of the FW guys who care around FW united behind him and voted. I think it's fair to assume that a good chunk of these votes will be multiple accounts as well.

I'm totally not knocking Hans or his effort. He did a great job and well done for getting where he did, and I think we can be fairly comfortable of a high turn out from the FW pilots.

2,439 is not a lot of players out the 40,000 concurrent online players at peak out on TQ. FW in its current state is not generating anywhere near enough interest from the player base.

CCP had promised to invest some development time in FW. They need to be mixing it up to attract q lot more players to make it worthwhile. Tweaking what is there to make the current pilots happy isn't going to solve that. THey need to make it exciting and interesting. Basically making it like living in low sec with special plexes and aggression rules isn't going to improve that.

You guys should try and grab this with both hands, work with them to try and get FW into something amazing, but at the same time keep it fun for the small gang kill-fest it currently is. This isn't about small tweaks anymore really.

Can someone please explain to me what these so-called incentives are that you must somehow be losing as a result of this change? It seems to me that theres LP farming? Good fights?

So recapturing a system and fighting people like you have to deny the enemy access to its assets/agents, or to give yourself access to its assets/agents isn't an incentive?
Killing eachother to gain LPs and to get good fights isn't an incentive? Show me one other form of PVP in EVE where you get rewarded in this way. I'd say you've been handed a pretty fat and juicy carrot there if you gain LP's for going out and doing something you already do - that up until this suggested change, had no other reward besides a killmail and bragging rights.

I'm lost, and am looking forward to someone shedding some light here.

Why? Wasn't that CCP talker member of gallente miltiia so he just wants to make sure Caldari (And Amarr now with inclusion of all matar lolplayers) will bleed away the numbers so his side can farm isk at their leisure. It would be detrimental to CCP's objectives to have members in those two militias.