EVE General Discussion

the FW changes look really awesome. I love the idea that factions will be able to gain sov for their empires. I've posted a couple threads asking for exactly this =D I hope they expand it to highsec too =)

I don't really like the move to ihubs though. I like the diversity of targets. (POCO's vs POS for example) I hope they work a slightly different mechanic into the FW system then straight up ihubs

The devs need to look at the mechanics used in Incursions. Great opportunities there on how to fight for control (incursionbar working up to MOM), how to organize places to set battlegrounds (like how shiny fleets compete at Vanguards), how to handout LP (no payout for blobbing), and how to track the status of contested systems (journal).

Incursions have proven to be an exceptional tool to achieve a mutual in-goal by crowdsourcing.

looking foward to alot of these changes.

and hopefully there will be more wider reaching reprecussions for the "unofficial" war in high sec... tbh id like FW to spill into the high sec systems if all the low sec systems of a particuelr faction have been lost.

Heh, love the way he kept saying that they would like to find a system that works before expanding on it .. three years after the fact .. hahahahaha. /facedesk.

They are polishing the turd like crazy, that's for sure .. whether it is enough remains to be seen. Still trying to "see" what some of the things would mean, but sounds like there are loads of facets they don't seem to be aware of or choose to ignore. Will be good when/if they do a series of threads in F&I/TestServer forum to debate the various things mentioned in that brainfart presentation.

PS: Good to hear/see that the madness spewing from my (Hirana/Veshta Yoshida) twisted mind stick with the readers, heard several items/comments that I believe originates from my 3 years lobbying effort \o/

In general I like the direction this is going.

I like not being able to dock in opposing faction space. This should create more of a front-line in the battle. While still allowing motivated corps/alliances the chance to go behind the line, setup POSes and create pockets behind enemy lines

Cyno-jammers. Wow. There are so many ways to grief inherent in that. I would say if it is implemented it should be done for the Highest LP cost and should be very temporary. Say no more than 30 minutes


Need to go collect all my Data-Cores from all my characters before these changes happen

Broader consequences should absolutely operate on a system of diminishing returns. So people just don't switch sides to max out rewards

And if there is an upgrade to have some NPC help on stations and gates, these should become progressively more powerful as the number of systems in your control become less. As the number of systems in your side become compressed you get more help from the NPCs. This could be just the ones that you get through upgrades or it could also be the ones in plexes and missions

Missions should never happen in systems in your control.

I think LP rewards should be balanced, so that you get the most for PvP, 2nd for attacking complexes, 3rd for missions. To balance the LP for PvP dynamically tie it to the market value of average converted LP

I think ranks could provide discounts for FW LP stores. They should be tied only to PvP and attacking complexes, not farming missions.

Edit: Looking forward to Devblog and Test server. Also is this supposed to start this summer?

I have to ask the Devs;

Do you want FW to be for people who want skirmishes, carebears who might want to try their hands on cheap PvP – or do you want FW to be for people who actually want to fight sov wars, but don't want to deal with the 0.0 version of it?

Some of the FW changes sound really cool, but when you start talking about shutting the other Faction out of stations if you flip SOV; yes, it sounds logical but 0.0 SOV warfare is what it is today for a reason.

When you start talking about this, the question of timers comes up. Taking peoples access away kinda requires timers – station flipping in 0.0 showed the Devs the need for such a mechanic to make it "fair" and "non-ninja".

That's just 1 mechanic, this and the other mechanics didn't just appear out of nowhere. They are the Devs design responses to issues that have appeared over the years – until they are changed, they will be the same design responses to the same issues should they appear in FW.

Nothing is final, but Devs, remember that 0.0 has evolved over years into what it is today. Don't start introducing 0.0 mechanics in FW and expect it to not evolve into exactly the same thing in the end.

Not saying it is right or wrong for FW to go that way – but please fix what people consider broken about 0.0 SOV warfare before you start introducing the same mechanics in a different system.

this.

OP thanks for the post covering the talk. I didn't hear it and your post was helpful.

It seems to me that faction war plexing is more fun that it has ever been - and these changes might very well screw it up.

I suppose we could hit diagoras up for some statistics on how much more plexing has happened since they changed the downtime spawn mechanic. It would be great if we could also track how many pvp fights we are getting per plex. I would say I am getting about 1 decent fight every 20-30 minutes.

I recomend that anyone who is complaining about fw go to a system that has a significant enemy presence and open a plex. You are unlikely to find faster and better quality pvp anywhere in eve.

However its still not perfect. Just yesterday I had to warp off from a fight due to the npcs working down my tank before the wt even entered the plex. If ccp is out to make npcs an even a bigger factor they are going in the wrong direction. Please ccp let the players fight for occupancy. Your sleeper ai is very nice, but let this war be based on pvp not pve. People can fight the incursion war if they want to fight the sleeper ai.

CCP still has this idea that faction war players really want to go to null sec to be bossed around by the folks we saw on the alliance panel. When will they ever get a clue, and stop talking about pushing sov blob mechanics into faction war? Isn't there enough of the game dedicated to that crap? Why **** away the last bastion of small gang pvp?

I hope Hans was elected.

I like the changes also, the Ihubs are perhaps not the perfect "placeholder" of the bunker, but if they use it the amarrians should be golden.

I also love the fact they'll institue actual changes in the maps, all in all, nice presentations and thought process. The idea of actually upgrading your space should be amazing. I hope those changes would be visible on the Ihubs themselves.

Could be actually really nice from minmatar "ducktape" improvements and girders opposite and amarrian ihubs full of golden towers.

Apparently, RL isn't a solid ground to stand on? Let me offer a counter for people to chew on;

I go away for a few days. Or a week or two. All of a sudden the station that was in Gallente sov is now Caldari. How do I 'unlock' my ship? Now you're saying I have to train an alt to Gallente BCs or T2 HACS just so it can pick up my locked ship? Or who in the world is gonna buy a ship that is specifically rigged and fitted for certain combat situations?

Or that I or my corp now has to get into POS management just to avoid this lockout situation? Not every corp wants to buy a POS, learn POS management, and maintain the POS just so they can avoid this situation.

I totally agree that station games is horrible and we should do what is needed to deter this. Granted, this is all in the incubation stage and the 'no docking' mechanic is only suggested. But I've seen alot of people advocate for a no docking mechanic and haven't seen alot of people try to counter it. I'm offering a counter in the hopes of finding a solution that offers what we're all looking for out of FW; better immersion and more pew.

Reading b/w the lines, it seems that CCP is only in the incubation stage of iterating on FW. I was hoping they had more solid plans at this point for Inferno