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Naga or Oracle for fleet sniper?
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Shrike Arghast
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-03-23 11:01:09 UTC
I've just gotten back into the game after over a year's absence, and I am very interested in getting into one of the new BCs as a fleet sniper (which, I have heard, is pretty much all they're good for).

I have about equal skills in energy and hybrid turrets, so the question really becomes: is there a reason to choose a Naga over an Oracle (or vice versa), or are they essentially the same when it comes to sniping? I've looked up sniper builds for both on battleclinic, and both seem to be fairly highly rated. I'm just looking for where the edge is, if there is any... as, in the looks department (if that's the only determining factor), I guess I prefer the Naga.
carbomb
Super Team Munkey
#2 - 2012-03-23 11:27:18 UTC
better damage from the oracle, better range from the naga. Naga has more mids for sebo's and TC's, oracle has more lows for TE's and heat sinks. I prefer the oracle myself but thats just coz i lub laz0rs. they are both fairly similar.

Incidentally the Tier 3 bc's are also very good as glass cannons. Talos puts out crazy dps 1300+ and oracle can hit out to 75-80k with megapulse and scorch
Sven Hammerstorm
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-03-23 11:29:06 UTC
Shrike Arghast wrote:
(which, I have heard, is pretty much all they're good for


common misconception. they dont have strong tank, but are very mobile. mobility is king
Luba Cibre
Global Song Setup
#4 - 2012-03-23 11:44:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Luba Cibre
[Naga, Naga]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed
Sensor Booster II
Sensor Booster II

425mm Railgun II, Spike L
425mm Railgun II, Spike L
425mm Railgun II, Spike L
425mm Railgun II, Spike L
425mm Railgun II, Spike L
425mm Railgun II, Spike L
425mm Railgun II, Spike L
425mm Railgun II, Spike L

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Hybrid Locus Coordinator I
Medium Hybrid Locus Coordinator I


[Oracle, Oracle]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range

Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Energy Discharge Elutriation I
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II

that are the "standard" sniping fits for oracle and naga...they're not that different in perfomance imo.
Just pick after style.

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RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-03-23 12:24:52 UTC


Im partial to the naga. I like the Optimal bonus, getting higher quality hits at longer range and being able to load out tracking computers and sensor mods helps a lot. Being able to use the comps to swap to more tracking and more opt as the situation calls for is nice as well. Better then static TE bonuses IMO when you need flexibility.

In PvP sniping Naga hits Kin and Therm res holes. Two resists that are not normally things people plug the holes of. It hits Shield and Arm tanked ships equally well in most cases. Since most people will plug the weakest res on their tank first its usually EM or EXP. And them Plugging EXP or EM depending on tank and that will usually put that hole higher then its secondary weaknesses you are shooting against.

While the oracle hits Em and Therm holes. If the target is arm tanked you might have a problem as its highest res stats will normally be against Em and Therm. If its shield tanked you will destroy them of course.

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Gypsio III
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-03-23 16:23:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Gypsio III
Results vary with fits ofc, but FWIW:

[Naga, 425]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Targeting Range Script

425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Hybrid Locus Coordinator I

[Oracle, Tachyon]
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Targeting Range Script
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Standard L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Standard L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Standard L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Standard L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Standard L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Standard L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Standard L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Standard L

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator I
Medium Ionic Field Projector I

Damage profiles are here. The ammo choices are for 100 km, which gives the Naga a large advantage in DPS, but the Oracle has better tracking and deals more closer in. Whether you want to be inside HML/Scorch range is another question...

Like any good EFT Warrior, I've ignored tracking, ship mobility, lock ranges and I have a magical ability to always have exactly the right ammo loaded. Big smile

There's an interesting option to drop the cap-hogging Invuln on the Naga for a RSD or tracking disruptor.