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Myz Toyou
Nekkid Inc.
#61 - 2012-03-23 09:13:29 UTC
clamslayer wrote:


seems like you are getting irritated lol


Only irritated by your teenage angst your fail fits gonna be published on KBs Lol
clamslayer
Doomheim
#62 - 2012-03-23 09:14:28 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
clamslayer wrote:
Rico Minali wrote:
clamslayer wrote:


pfft only reason why people want the change is for kill board efficiency....

there is far more to the mechanic than that.

denying intel on fits is the major one.



Confirming, knowing how you fit your carrier is vitally important to us. (That was irony, just in case you didnt get it.)


regarding k/d ration of recruits..



Yes. Yes this is important to us, because if you have self destructed 5 carriers while in sanctums because you are thick, then no, we dont want your idiot ass in our corp. If you throw carriers away trying to solo people in lowsec, then no, we dont want your idiot ass in our corp. If you throw carriers away in ANY way because you are an idiot, then we dont want your idiot ass in our corp. Is teh picture getting clearer?

It isnt about k/d ratio, its about how you lost your ships. Because if you are stupid, we dont want you. I will take a cap pilot who has lost 20 carriers in fleet combat over a guy who lost one self destructing it because he was ganked.


how do you self destruct your ship and get ganked at the same time? its either one or the other
clamslayer
Doomheim
#63 - 2012-03-23 09:15:21 UTC  |  Edited by: clamslayer
Rico Minali wrote:
clamslayer wrote:

seems like you are getting irritated lol



Wait for it, he's run out of argument so here comes the U mad bro? No one here has been even a little emo over your posts, so dont try that little gem lol


but you are taking the time to post... and admitting to being irritated (talking about Myz)
Pheusia
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#64 - 2012-03-23 09:16:58 UTC
clamslayer wrote:
Pheusia wrote:
clamslayer wrote:
wtf, why?

its already bad enough that everyone on grid gets the message that you started self destruct, now a killmail for a ship that you didnt kill wtf?

what is the point of self destructing your ship now?

i know, plenty of you chodes who never solo, will start flaming me about self destruct being lame, but how about bring more dps.

this is ******* bullshit




Do you routinely self-destruct rather than admit you lost a fight?



since when is self destructing a victory, or a means of not admitting you lost a ship? the ******* ship explodes


Since all the people crying about this change saying it's used for exactly that.
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2012-03-23 09:21:02 UTC
clamslayer wrote:


how do you self destruct your ship and get ganked at the same time? its either one or the other


Thats just picking terms apart. You self destruct because you are in the process of getting ganked. This lets me see that and justifies me telling you to look for another corp.


Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
clamslayer
Doomheim
#66 - 2012-03-23 09:26:37 UTC  |  Edited by: clamslayer
Rico Minali wrote:
clamslayer wrote:


how do you self destruct your ship and get ganked at the same time? its either one or the other


Thats just picking terms apart. You self destruct because you are in the process of getting ganked. This lets me see that and justifies me telling you to look for another corp.




Rico, this isnt about you and your recruiting efforts... no one cares about you or your corp.

you self destruct to deny your enemy fitting intel, loot, and salvage. if you choose to do so. there are many other options. im guessing you want to make it so you cant eject as well? because that is another way of getting around a kill mail.
Joran Jackson
The Red Circle Inc.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#67 - 2012-03-23 09:37:08 UTC
clamslayer wrote:
Rico Minali wrote:
clamslayer wrote:


how do you self destruct your ship and get ganked at the same time? its either one or the other


Thats just picking terms apart. You self destruct because you are in the process of getting ganked. This lets me see that and justifies me telling you to look for another corp.




Rico, this isnt about you and your recruiting efforts... no one cares about you or your corp.

you self destruct to deny your enemy fitting intel, loot, and salvage. if you choose to do so. there are many other options. im guessing you want to make it so you cant eject as well? because that is another way of getting around a kill mail.


Well that's a dumb reason cause you're giving the enemy your ship, which is financially a hell of a lot different.

You say many other options like there's this plethora of strategic choices. It's just BS. Right now the only thing is fitting intel, and no one cares about that crap. If you're SDing you don't have a valid fleet fit anyway, or you'd be fighting for that last bit of structure trying to help win the fight with that last cap transfer or turret hit.

If you're SDing you're getting ganked and you insist on being a ***** about it.
Myz Toyou
Nekkid Inc.
#68 - 2012-03-23 09:39:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Myz Toyou
I should have looked up clamslayers KB record earlier, then all the argueing with him would have ended after one post Lol

hint: dual WCS on a bomber anyone? + a whooping 39/43 K/D ratio
clamslayer
Doomheim
#69 - 2012-03-23 09:41:57 UTC
Joran Jackson wrote:
clamslayer wrote:
Rico Minali wrote:
clamslayer wrote:


how do you self destruct your ship and get ganked at the same time? its either one or the other


Thats just picking terms apart. You self destruct because you are in the process of getting ganked. This lets me see that and justifies me telling you to look for another corp.




Rico, this isnt about you and your recruiting efforts... no one cares about you or your corp.

you self destruct to deny your enemy fitting intel, loot, and salvage. if you choose to do so. there are many other options. im guessing you want to make it so you cant eject as well? because that is another way of getting around a kill mail.


Well that's a dumb reason cause you're giving the enemy your ship, which is financially a hell of a lot different.

You say many other options like there's this plethora of strategic choices. It's just BS. Right now the only thing is fitting intel, and no one cares about that crap. If you're SDing you don't have a valid fleet fit anyway, or you'd be fighting for that last bit of structure trying to help win the fight with that last cap transfer or turret hit.

If you're SDing you're getting ganked and you insist on being a ***** about it.



no ****, if you eject then you are giving up the ship, that comment was directed at Rico, since killmails are so important to him i wanted his opinion about being able to eject.

never said there was a "plethora of strategic choices" because there isnt, and there is going to be one less if this change is made.
clamslayer
Doomheim
#70 - 2012-03-23 09:43:53 UTC
Myz Toyou wrote:
I should have looked up clamslayers KB record earlier, then all the argueing with him would have ended after one post Lol

hint: dual WCS on a bomber anyone? + a whooping 39/43 K/D ratio



i should have mentioned that my killboard statistics are complete **** from the get go, this isnt about my killboard ratio.
Myz Toyou
Nekkid Inc.
#71 - 2012-03-23 09:45:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Myz Toyou
clamslayer wrote:
Myz Toyou wrote:
I should have looked up clamslayers KB record earlier, then all the argueing with him would have ended after one post Lol

hint: dual WCS on a bomber anyone? + a whooping 39/43 K/D ratio



i should have mentioned that my killboard statistics are complete **** from the get go, this isnt about my killboard ratio.


According to your argueing it is. You wanna hide the fact for your love for WCS on every ship apart from noob ships gets public knowledge and that your kills are only based on suicide ganks.
Efraya
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#72 - 2012-03-23 09:45:52 UTC
clamslayer wrote:
Myz Toyou wrote:
I should have looked up clamslayers KB record earlier, then all the argueing with him would have ended after one post Lol

hint: dual WCS on a bomber anyone? + a whooping 39/43 K/D ratio



i should have mentioned that my killboard statistics are complete **** from the get go, this isnt about my killboard ratio.


Your main, post with it.

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clamslayer
Doomheim
#73 - 2012-03-23 09:47:19 UTC  |  Edited by: clamslayer
Efraya wrote:
clamslayer wrote:
Myz Toyou wrote:
I should have looked up clamslayers KB record earlier, then all the argueing with him would have ended after one post Lol

hint: dual WCS on a bomber anyone? + a whooping 39/43 K/D ratio



i should have mentioned that my killboard statistics are complete **** from the get go, this isnt about my killboard ratio.


Your main, post with it.



this is my main, i trade for the most part. way better at making billions than blowin stuff up

taking the flame resistant suit off for some sleep
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#74 - 2012-03-23 09:50:16 UTC
clamslayer wrote:


you self destruct to deny your enemy fitting intel, loot, and salvage. if you choose to do so. there are many other options. im guessing you want to make it so you cant eject as well? because that is another way of getting around a kill mail.


No if you eject there is still a killmail, the last person to use the ship is listed as the victim on the lossmail. I've done this many times recently. It recently happened 3 times in the same night to me, apparently there were some noobs moving into 0.0 with the same misconceptions as you lol.

I'll give you self destructing to deny loot/salvage, that seems reasonable. But self-destructing should not deny a killmail or any of the intel gathered from a km. The ship died from actions resulting from combat and should be recorded.
Joran Jackson
The Red Circle Inc.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#75 - 2012-03-23 09:50:41 UTC
clamslayer wrote:
Efraya wrote:
clamslayer wrote:
Myz Toyou wrote:
I should have looked up clamslayers KB record earlier, then all the argueing with him would have ended after one post Lol

hint: dual WCS on a bomber anyone? + a whooping 39/43 K/D ratio



i should have mentioned that my killboard statistics are complete **** from the get go, this isnt about my killboard ratio.


Your main, post with it.



this is my main, i trade for the most part.


So what enemies are you preventing from getting your awesome trade fits? All the other posters in this thread are wormhole and nullsec corps, don't you think we'd know a bit more about you than having fleet doctrines and protecting fits?

Doesn't that give you a hint that your position is slightly ridiculous?
clamslayer
Doomheim
#76 - 2012-03-23 09:51:24 UTC
Vaal Erit wrote:
clamslayer wrote:


you self destruct to deny your enemy fitting intel, loot, and salvage. if you choose to do so. there are many other options. im guessing you want to make it so you cant eject as well? because that is another way of getting around a kill mail.


No if you eject there is still a killmail, the last person to use the ship is listed as the victim on the lossmail. I've done this many times recently. It recently happened 3 times in the same night to me, apparently there were some noobs moving into 0.0 with the same misconceptions as you lol.

I'll give you self destructing to deny loot/salvage, that seems reasonable. But self-destructing should not deny a killmail or any of the intel gathered from a km. The ship died from actions resulting from combat and should be recorded.



nope the ship was destroyed from self destruction, its one or the other.
Lexmana
#77 - 2012-03-23 09:52:50 UTC
I am pretty sure you can still self destruct without generating a killmail after the changes if you really want to.
clamslayer
Doomheim
#78 - 2012-03-23 09:55:06 UTC  |  Edited by: clamslayer
Joran Jackson wrote:
clamslayer wrote:
Efraya wrote:
clamslayer wrote:
Myz Toyou wrote:
I should have looked up clamslayers KB record earlier, then all the argueing with him would have ended after one post Lol

hint: dual WCS on a bomber anyone? + a whooping 39/43 K/D ratio



i should have mentioned that my killboard statistics are complete **** from the get go, this isnt about my killboard ratio.


Your main, post with it.



this is my main, i trade for the most part.


So what enemies are you preventing from getting your awesome trade fits? All the other posters in this thread are wormhole and nullsec corps, don't you think we'd know a bit more about you than having fleet doctrines and protecting fits?

Doesn't that give you a hint that your position is slightly ridiculous?



lols

my play style, experience, and all the other bullhsit isnt relevant in this thread

what is relevant is the fact that self destructing a ship denies your enemy fit intel, loot, and salvage. that is what we are discussing, the possible removal of a tactic.
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#79 - 2012-03-23 09:59:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Terminal Insanity
clamslayer wrote:

stick it to um? no mate, denies intel, denies loot, denies salvage. it is a tactical decision. everyone who has complains about the mechanic are the cry babies.
.

But... it DOES drop loot. It DOES leave a wreck to salvage. And no, those aren't recent changes. that's the way its been.

You don't even know how the mechanic works, you've been self destructing your ships thinking you aren't leaving anything behind. You've been giving them their loot/salvage this whole time. The only thing you deny them is the killmail proof of it.

I think the fact that they FORCED you to Self Destruct is as valid as getting the final blow themselves. And taking that into consideration, your lossmail intel is indeed valid for public viewing just as any other lossmail should be.

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2012-03-23 10:00:36 UTC
clamslayer wrote:
wtf, why?

its already bad enough that everyone on grid gets the message that you started self destruct, now a killmail for a ship that you didnt kill wtf?

what is the point of self destructing your ship if things are changed?

i know, plenty of you chodes who never solo, will start flaming me about self destruct being lame, but how about bring more dps.

this is ******* bullshit



BEING ABLE TO SELF DESTRUCT IS A TACTICAL DECISION THAT DENIES YOUR ENEMY FITTING INTEL, LOOT AND SALVAGE.


The why don't you just stay and fight? your ship is going down anyway...

One awesome feature to appease the people like you would be to make the explosion from a self destructing ship do area of effect damage... Maybe a 20k damage within a 10km radius.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...