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Myz Toyou
Nekkid Inc.
#41 - 2012-03-23 08:14:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Myz Toyou
clamslayer wrote:


it really doesnt matter what their motives were


It matters because it hides their failure.

So let me ask you: If you are so much on the "pro for SDing" side, why does it bother you when a loss record get generated ?
clamslayer
Doomheim
#42 - 2012-03-23 08:19:00 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
clamslayer wrote:
Rico Minali wrote:
clamslayer wrote:
wtf, why?

now a killmail for a ship that you didnt kill wtf?





But you did kill the ship, by forcing the playet to self destruct. Stop being bad at everything.



laying the final blow is a lot different then a player self destructing... and everyone knows it.



Killmails are nothing to do with final blows though, its simply a record of who made explode, and by forcing tehm to self destruct, you made them explode. If Im shooting you and you cant win so you press self destruct then it is because of me, not because you didnt like your ship and didnt want it anymore.



you are not relevant unless you lay the final blow, because i caused my ship to self destruct..
clamslayer
Doomheim
#43 - 2012-03-23 08:20:13 UTC
Myz Toyou wrote:
clamslayer wrote:


it really doesnt matter what their motives were


It matters because it hides their failure.

So let me ask you: If you are so much on the "pro for SDing" side, why does it bother you when a loss record get generated ?



because i destroyed my ship, why should someone else get a mail for damage they didnt inflict?
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2012-03-23 08:22:37 UTC
clamslayer wrote:
Myz Toyou wrote:
clamslayer wrote:


it really doesnt matter what their motives were


It matters because it hides their failure.

So let me ask you: If you are so much on the "pro for SDing" side, why does it bother you when a loss record get generated ?



because i destroyed my ship, why should someone else get a mail for damage they didnt inflict?



No, you were forced to destroy your ship. People did do damage to you, it was that which caused you to feel the need to destroy your ship.

Stop crying about losing efficiency, if the only way you can keep a good % on the killboard is to self destruct then tbh you may need to rethink what is important to you in this game.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Myz Toyou
Nekkid Inc.
#45 - 2012-03-23 08:28:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Myz Toyou
Generating loss records of SDing also helps alot players to decide which corporation they should join. If some corp for example puts up a "All things are Golden" advert for their C5 WH corp on the forums to get new recruits, who would you choose to sign up for: A corp with tons of SD records ( which is obviously not capable to defend them selfs ) or a corp who has losses but atleast these are generated while fighting for their belongings ?

I know which corp would suit me better.
clamslayer
Doomheim
#46 - 2012-03-23 08:29:35 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
clamslayer wrote:
Myz Toyou wrote:
clamslayer wrote:


it really doesnt matter what their motives were


It matters because it hides their failure.

So let me ask you: If you are so much on the "pro for SDing" side, why does it bother you when a loss record get generated ?



because i destroyed my ship, why should someone else get a mail for damage they didnt inflict?



No, you were forced to destroy your ship. People did do damage to you, it was that which caused you to feel the need to destroy your ship.

Stop crying about losing efficiency, if the only way you can keep a good % on the killboard is to self destruct then tbh you may need to rethink what is important to you in this game.


um if engaged and ******, you are not forced to self destruct:

a: try to take as many as many enemy as you can before your ship is destroyed
b: eject during the engagement
c: pay a ransom if offered
d: self destruct
e:stick it out for a possible win
f: wait for your boyfriends to come and bail you out
g: etc

YOU ARE NOT FORCING ANYONE TO SELF DESTRUCT. eve is about having the freedom to choose, and if you choose to destroy your ship your enemy should be denied a mail
clamslayer
Doomheim
#47 - 2012-03-23 08:30:30 UTC
Myz Toyou wrote:
Generating loss records of SDing also helps alot players to decide which corporation they should join. If some corp for example puts up a "All things are Golden" advert for their C5 WH corp on the forums to get new recruits, who would you choose to sign up for: A corp with tons of SD records ( which is obviously not capable to defend them selfs ) or a corp who has losses but atleast these are generated while fighting for their belongings ?

I know which corp would suit me better.



not relevant
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2012-03-23 08:34:24 UTC
[quote=clamslayer
um if engaged and ******, you are not forced to self destruct:

a: try to take as many as many enemy as you can before your ship is destroyed
b: eject during the engagement
c: pay a ransom if offered
d: self destruct
e:stick it out for a possible win
f: wait for your boyfriends to come and bail you out
g: etc

YOU ARE NOT FORCING ANYONE TO SELF DESTRUCT. eve is about having the freedom to choose, and if you choose to destroy your ship your enemy should be denied a mail

[/quote]


That is the simple worst statement yet, so what your sating is when you pvp you go through that list in your head and pick one? If you are losing a fight, and you choose to self destruct it is BECAUSE YOUR ENEMY HAS BEATEN YOU, not because you just happen to feel like it.

All you are concerned about is your killboard efficiency, face it. And if you lost a fight, and your ship but it isnt recorded in your killboard efficiency then your statistics are a total lie. Losing a ship is losing a ship no matter how it is lost, and your killboard should reflect that.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2012-03-23 08:36:35 UTC
clamslayer wrote:
Myz Toyou wrote:
Generating loss records of SDing also helps alot players to decide which corporation they should join. If some corp for example puts up a "All things are Golden" advert for their C5 WH corp on the forums to get new recruits, who would you choose to sign up for: A corp with tons of SD records ( which is obviously not capable to defend them selfs ) or a corp who has losses but atleast these are generated while fighting for their belongings ?

I know which corp would suit me better.



not relevant


It is totally relevent, when I recruit I look at peoples killboards, I want to see if they are bad at pvp and lose carriers, be it to self destructing or not. My corp pays for alot of capitals so I expect the pilots to be able to keep them alive, if there is no record then I cant see that in a prospective new pilot.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
clamslayer
Doomheim
#50 - 2012-03-23 08:37:21 UTC  |  Edited by: clamslayer
Rico Minali wrote:
[quote=clamslayer
um if engaged and ******, you are not forced to self destruct:

a: try to take as many as many enemy as you can before your ship is destroyed
b: eject during the engagement
c: pay a ransom if offered
d: self destruct
e:stick it out for a possible win
f: wait for your boyfriends to come and bail you out
g: etc

YOU ARE NOT FORCING ANYONE TO SELF DESTRUCT. eve is about having the freedom to choose, and if you choose to destroy your ship your enemy should be denied a mail




That is the simple worst statement yet, so what your sating is when you pvp you go through that list in your head and pick one? If you are losing a fight, and you choose to self destruct it is BECAUSE YOUR ENEMY HAS BEATEN YOU, not because you just happen to feel like it.

All you are concerned about is your killboard efficiency, face it. And if you lost a fight, and your ship but it isnt recorded in your killboard efficiency then your statistics are a total lie. Losing a ship is losing a ship no matter how it is lost, and your killboard should reflect that. [/quote]

pfft only reason why people want the change is for kill board efficiency....

there is far more to the mechanic than that.

denying intel on fits is the major one.
iownuall123
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#51 - 2012-03-23 08:40:47 UTC
Myz Toyou wrote:
clamslayer wrote:


i dont understand why its seen as cowardly to deny an enemy your assets, it is tactical decision.

self destruct shouldnt be changed at all.


Its fine if they dont want to hand over their ships and stuff, they should rather fight for it. 14 days ago I saw 12 cap ships being SDed inside a FF. I dont know why they did that as we only had 3 dreads in their system so they could have easily put up a fight with a big chance of takeing our caps down.

Hello to "Revival of the Talocan Empire" Lol

[offtopic] Ahh, so that's why that alliance up and disappeared out of our coalition, didn't even send us a mail saying they were disbanding. Good to know what really happened though.[/offtopic]
clamslayer
Doomheim
#52 - 2012-03-23 08:44:57 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
clamslayer wrote:
Myz Toyou wrote:
Generating loss records of SDing also helps alot players to decide which corporation they should join. If some corp for example puts up a "All things are Golden" advert for their C5 WH corp on the forums to get new recruits, who would you choose to sign up for: A corp with tons of SD records ( which is obviously not capable to defend them selfs ) or a corp who has losses but atleast these are generated while fighting for their belongings ?

I know which corp would suit me better.



not relevant


It is totally relevent, when I recruit I look at peoples killboards, I want to see if they are bad at pvp and lose carriers, be it to self destructing or not. My corp pays for alot of capitals so I expect the pilots to be able to keep them alive, if there is no record then I cant see that in a prospective new pilot.




so you want the change to happen for self benefit, no surprise there.



self destructing denies intel and loot and should be left alone. it is a tactical decision that shouldnt be taken away from players.
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2012-03-23 08:53:18 UTC
clamslayer wrote:


pfft only reason why people want the change is for kill board efficiency....

there is far more to the mechanic than that.

denying intel on fits is the major one.



Confirming, knowing how you fit your carrier is vitally important to us. (That was irony, just in case you didnt get it.)

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
clamslayer
Doomheim
#54 - 2012-03-23 08:57:10 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
clamslayer wrote:


pfft only reason why people want the change is for kill board efficiency....

there is far more to the mechanic than that.

denying intel on fits is the major one.



Confirming, knowing how you fit your carrier is vitally important to us. (That was irony, just in case you didnt get it.)


regarding k/d ration of recruits..
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#55 - 2012-03-23 08:58:09 UTC
clamslayer wrote:
self destructing denies intel and loot and should be left alone. it is a tactical decision that shouldnt be taken away from players.

Self destructing does NOT deny intel. Intel can be gathered before your death via ship scanners that many bhaalgorns and neut ships carry

Just admit it. You dont like the change because you now get a lossmail whenever you weasel out of a fight instead of going down like a man. You enjoyed the self destruct feature because it was a way to 'stick it to em' while you die. Now you cant. Boohoo.

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
clamslayer
Doomheim
#56 - 2012-03-23 09:05:33 UTC  |  Edited by: clamslayer
Terminal Insanity wrote:
clamslayer wrote:
self destructing denies intel and loot and should be left alone. it is a tactical decision that shouldnt be taken away from players.

Self destructing does NOT deny intel. Intel can be gathered before your death via ship scanners that many bhaalgorns and neut ships carry

Just admit it. You dont like the change because you now get a lossmail whenever you weasel out of a fight instead of going down like a man. You enjoyed the self destruct feature because it was a way to 'stick it to em' while you die. Now you cant. Boohoo.



kill mail shows fitting 100% of the time, a ship scanner is NOT fitted in every gang 100% of the time. what else do you have for me?

stick it to um? no mate, denies intel, denies loot, denies salvage. it is a tactical decision. everyone who has complains about the mechanic are the cry babies.

it should stay as is.
Myz Toyou
Nekkid Inc.
#57 - 2012-03-23 09:05:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Myz Toyou
clamslayer wrote:
Rico Minali wrote:
clamslayer wrote:
Myz Toyou wrote:
Generating loss records of SDing also helps alot players to decide which corporation they should join. If some corp for example puts up a "All things are Golden" advert for their C5 WH corp on the forums to get new recruits, who would you choose to sign up for: A corp with tons of SD records ( which is obviously not capable to defend them selfs ) or a corp who has losses but atleast these are generated while fighting for their belongings ?

I know which corp would suit me better.



not relevant


It is totally relevent, when I recruit I look at peoples killboards, I want to see if they are bad at pvp and lose carriers, be it to self destructing or not. My corp pays for alot of capitals so I expect the pilots to be able to keep them alive, if there is no record then I cant see that in a prospective new pilot.




so you want the change to happen for self benefit, no surprise there.



self destructing denies intel and loot and should be left alone. it is a tactical decision that shouldnt be taken away from players.


Yes, it denies new player the intel that the corporation they probably gonna join is full of failures even if they sell themselfs as best corp ever since the server went live. Good way to get new players to stick with EVE, just show them from the start, if you get attacked just hit the SD button so they dont know your faction BS had frigate guns in the highs, cap batteries in the mids and cargo expanders in the lows.

Also recruitment isnt relevant for you because you seem not to be interested to crawl out of your NPC corp, but for others its probably the best bet to find a good corp or avoid a fail corp ( and the crawl back to NPC corp with the mindset that all player corps are failures).
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2012-03-23 09:11:30 UTC
clamslayer wrote:
Rico Minali wrote:
clamslayer wrote:


pfft only reason why people want the change is for kill board efficiency....

there is far more to the mechanic than that.

denying intel on fits is the major one.



Confirming, knowing how you fit your carrier is vitally important to us. (That was irony, just in case you didnt get it.)


regarding k/d ration of recruits..



Yes. Yes this is important to us, because if you have self destructed 5 carriers while in sanctums because you are thick, then no, we dont want your idiot ass in our corp. If you throw carriers away trying to solo people in lowsec, then no, we dont want your idiot ass in our corp. If you throw carriers away in ANY way because you are an idiot, then we dont want your idiot ass in our corp. Is teh picture getting clearer?

It isnt about k/d ratio, its about how you lost your ships. Because if you are stupid, we dont want you. I will take a cap pilot who has lost 20 carriers in fleet combat over a guy who lost one self destructing it because he was ganked.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
clamslayer
Doomheim
#59 - 2012-03-23 09:11:31 UTC
Myz Toyou wrote:
clamslayer wrote:
Rico Minali wrote:
clamslayer wrote:
Myz Toyou wrote:
Generating loss records of SDing also helps alot players to decide which corporation they should join. If some corp for example puts up a "All things are Golden" advert for their C5 WH corp on the forums to get new recruits, who would you choose to sign up for: A corp with tons of SD records ( which is obviously not capable to defend them selfs ) or a corp who has losses but atleast these are generated while fighting for their belongings ?

I know which corp would suit me better.



not relevant


It is totally relevent, when I recruit I look at peoples killboards, I want to see if they are bad at pvp and lose carriers, be it to self destructing or not. My corp pays for alot of capitals so I expect the pilots to be able to keep them alive, if there is no record then I cant see that in a prospective new pilot.




so you want the change to happen for self benefit, no surprise there.



self destructing denies intel and loot and should be left alone. it is a tactical decision that shouldnt be taken away from players.


Yes, it denies new player the intel that the corporation they probably gonna join is full of failures even if they sell themselfs as best corp ever since the server went live. Good way to get new players to stick with EVE, just show them from the start, if you get attacked just hit the SD button so they dont know your faction BS had frigate guns in the highs, cap batteries in the mids and cargo expanders in the lows.

Also recruitment isnt relevant for you because you seem not to be interested to crawl out of your NPC corp, but for others its probably the best bet to find a good corp or avoid a fail corp.


seems like you are getting irritated lol
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2012-03-23 09:13:02 UTC
clamslayer wrote:

seems like you are getting irritated lol



Wait for it, he's run out of argument so here comes the U mad bro? No one here has been even a little emo over your posts, so dont try that little gem lol

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.