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How many Players will quit the game due to the complete removal of High-sec PVP

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Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#141 - 2012-03-23 18:51:17 UTC
CCP Greyscale wrote:
What we're actually doing is removing both hisec and PvP from the game entirely. It seems like the fairest way to solve this problem.


Yea, the small gang players have known this for years.


Pretty soon you'll leave us with nothing but epic fleet fights because you've literally neutered any other form of PVP that involves spaceships blowing up spaceships.

But hey, you're the guy with the well paying job making all the (bad) choices, don't let the actual players who've been playing forever and know the games mechanics better than the developers get in your way, you just sit over there and get back to making those quality game changes like making local even MORE of a broken intel gathering tool.


Good talk.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.

Rapala Armiron
Arton Yachting and Angling Club
#142 - 2012-03-23 18:52:31 UTC
Roxwar wrote:
The only ones quitting due to removing high sec PVP are the pussies who lack the balls to go to the places CCP provide for PVP, you may have heard of low sec and null sec, thats where most PVP players get their rocks off, and not hiding behind concord protection while they cherry pick their targets to dec knowing full well they outclass them in every way for guarenteed easy kills..

People just mad they wont be able to buff their KB with easy kills against non PVP players in high sec who dont know how to shoot back and will be forced to come to low/null and fight other - oh my gosh - PVP'ers who actually can and will shoot you back to the point you return to high sec with your carebear tail between your legs, and eventually - fingers crossed - quit EVE.

TLDR - Cry moar and jog on.


So what you are saying is that eve is no longer the MMO to go to if you want open world pvp? Pvp is supposed to be restricted to battle zones with empire acting as a large safe area? Eve is now no different from WOW and any of its progeny?
flakeys
Doomheim
#143 - 2012-03-23 18:53:25 UTC
Carebears Control Playerbase wrote:
Refer to the subject.

If you are to lazy to check again "How many Players will quit the game due to the complete removal of High-sec PVP"

Just curious.



Just the ones who think they are l33t PEEVEEPEE players but in fact are more risk averse then a miner/missioner.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#144 - 2012-03-23 18:54:24 UTC  |  Edited by: sYnc Vir
There is no such thing as high sec pvp. Its people griefing targets they know are weaker and station games. Huzzah for their removal.

Now if only there was a place someone could make money and pvp, without moving into 2000 man fleet fights. Hmmm where o where could that be.

Want PVP on a smaller scale, move to a wormhole or low sec and stop being a high sec griefer ***** that picks on people who don't wanna play eve for shooting things pvp.

Huzzah for opt out pvp. Make the cowardly high sec hidding weekend warriors man up or get the **** out.

Edit, damn almost forgot bring your RR alts to mofos, only top tip. In lowsec we'll **** them up regardless. Hurray for GCC.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#145 - 2012-03-23 18:54:30 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
I thought about it and you know what, I will quit eve because of all high sec crap. And yes I have liquidated all of my assets into isk and I will give all that away in a trade contract for 1 trit. First person to find my contract becomes a lucky (wo)man.


HOLY SNAP I NEED TO FIND

AFK-cloaking in a system near you.

Jim Luc
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#146 - 2012-03-23 18:54:50 UTC
Heheh - I love the tears of hi-sec PVP carebears
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#147 - 2012-03-23 18:55:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
CCP Greyscale wrote:
What we're actually doing is removing both hisec and PvP from the game entirely. It seems like the fairest way to solve this problem.


Make light of it all you wish, remove the non consentual pvp and you'll be laying off another 20%. In case you haven't figured it out the protesters that CRUSHED ccps attempt at bringing in microtransactions are the same griefers and sociopaths your cornball aggression changes are trying to limit.

And to answer the OP's question yes I absolutely would quit. And no i'm not alone.

If the war dec changes strike the wrong chord you might not even have to wait til the expansion inevitably bombs out like the worse expansion for a game ever "Incarna" to see the effect.

Without "us" EVE is a crap game with dull pve, long periods of inactivity and mediocre graphics. Though props on the crucible graphics upgrades, they were very nice.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#148 - 2012-03-23 18:58:20 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
I thought about it and you know what, I will quit eve because of all high sec crap. And yes I have liquidated all of my assets into isk and I will give all that away in a trade contract for 1 trit. First person to find my contract becomes a lucky (wo)man.

Screenshot or it never happened. Nothing in market history.

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Roxwar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#149 - 2012-03-23 19:03:09 UTC
Rapala Armiron wrote:
Roxwar wrote:
The only ones quitting due to removing high sec PVP are the pussies who lack the balls to go to the places CCP provide for PVP, you may have heard of low sec and null sec, thats where most PVP players get their rocks off, and not hiding behind concord protection while they cherry pick their targets to dec knowing full well they outclass them in every way for guarenteed easy kills..

People just mad they wont be able to buff their KB with easy kills against non PVP players in high sec who dont know how to shoot back and will be forced to come to low/null and fight other - oh my gosh - PVP'ers who actually can and will shoot you back to the point you return to high sec with your carebear tail between your legs, and eventually - fingers crossed - quit EVE.

TLDR - Cry moar and jog on.


So what you are saying is that eve is no longer the MMO to go to if you want open world pvp? Pvp is supposed to be restricted to battle zones with empire acting as a large safe area? Eve is now no different from WOW and any of its progeny?


Sure it is, you'll find what your looking for in low sec or null sec, whichever takes your fancy.

Your mad that your one sided griefing in high sec is coming to an end arnt you? C'mon, admit it ;)


Never played WoW, or any other MMO for that matter, my point of view is a simple one, if people who have busy lives and not much free time to spare to come play eve, and play it just to chill out and enjoy it, than where is the problem with giving them an safe envioroment to do their thing in?
The only people who will be upset with this, is pvp wannabe's who think they're super awesome because they regularly shoot PVE players and carebears who simply dont want to PVP. In their eyes, that makes them elite, and its the fear of them losing their easy button thats making them shake the most.
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#150 - 2012-03-23 19:08:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
Roxwar wrote:
Rapala Armiron wrote:
Roxwar wrote:
The only ones quitting due to removing high sec PVP are the pussies who lack the balls to go to the places CCP provide for PVP, you may have heard of low sec and null sec, thats where most PVP players get their rocks off, and not hiding behind concord protection while they cherry pick their targets to dec knowing full well they outclass them in every way for guarenteed easy kills..

People just mad they wont be able to buff their KB with easy kills against non PVP players in high sec who dont know how to shoot back and will be forced to come to low/null and fight other - oh my gosh - PVP'ers who actually can and will shoot you back to the point you return to high sec with your carebear tail between your legs, and eventually - fingers crossed - quit EVE.

TLDR - Cry moar and jog on.


So what you are saying is that eve is no longer the MMO to go to if you want open world pvp? Pvp is supposed to be restricted to battle zones with empire acting as a large safe area? Eve is now no different from WOW and any of its progeny?


Sure it is, you'll find what your looking for in low sec or null sec, whichever takes your fancy.

Your mad that your one sided griefing in high sec is coming to an end arnt you? C'mon, admit it ;)


Never played WoW, or any other MMO for that matter, my point of view is a simple one, if people who have busy lives and not much free time to spare to come play eve, and play it just to chill out and enjoy it, than where is the problem with giving them an safe envioroment to do their thing in?
The only people who will be upset with this, is pvp wannabe's who think they're super awesome because they regularly shoot PVE players and carebears who simply dont want to PVP. In their eyes, that makes them elite, and its the fear of them losing their easy button thats making them shake the most.


The problem is i'll suicide gank the bear and then hide in that safe enviroment. Or kill your ship at X and prevent you from retaliating. Or any number of craptastic things that can be done when someone can achieve absolute safety.
Rapala Armiron
Arton Yachting and Angling Club
#151 - 2012-03-23 19:09:05 UTC
Roxwar wrote:
Rapala Armiron wrote:
Roxwar wrote:
The only ones quitting due to removing high sec PVP are the pussies who lack the balls to go to the places CCP provide for PVP, you may have heard of low sec and null sec, thats where most PVP players get their rocks off, and not hiding behind concord protection while they cherry pick their targets to dec knowing full well they outclass them in every way for guarenteed easy kills..

People just mad they wont be able to buff their KB with easy kills against non PVP players in high sec who dont know how to shoot back and will be forced to come to low/null and fight other - oh my gosh - PVP'ers who actually can and will shoot you back to the point you return to high sec with your carebear tail between your legs, and eventually - fingers crossed - quit EVE.

TLDR - Cry moar and jog on.


So what you are saying is that eve is no longer the MMO to go to if you want open world pvp? Pvp is supposed to be restricted to battle zones with empire acting as a large safe area? Eve is now no different from WOW and any of its progeny?


Sure it is, you'll find what your looking for in low sec or null sec, whichever takes your fancy.

Your mad that your one sided griefing in high sec is coming to an end arnt you? C'mon, admit it ;)


Never played WoW, or any other MMO for that matter, my point of view is a simple one, if people who have busy lives and not much free time to spare to come play eve, and play it just to chill out and enjoy it, than where is the problem with giving them an safe envioroment to do their thing in?
The only people who will be upset with this, is pvp wannabe's who think they're super awesome because they regularly shoot PVE players and carebears who simply dont want to PVP. In their eyes, that makes them elite, and its the fear of them losing their easy button thats making them shake the most.


The only thing I care about is the open world - sand box aspect of eve. If you take that away by walling off areas and saying "such and such" is not allowed here, and "this and that" are not allowed there -- then eve has been devolved into one of the many other theme park type games out. You kill what was special about eve.
Ender Karazaki
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#152 - 2012-03-23 19:15:02 UTC
CCP Greyscale wrote:
What we're actually doing is removing both hisec and PvP from the game entirely. It seems like the fairest way to solve this problem.



Now I can invite my guild over from WoW and we will have fun, fun, fun! When Incarna is fully realised we can all dance and shoot the breeze at the Jita station Lobby before we go to the empty goonswarm null space to mine and spread peace, love and happiness.
Brom MkLeith
Epsilon Inc
#153 - 2012-03-23 19:18:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Brom MkLeith
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
I, and a significant amount of the people I know, would probably quit, or draw down our account numbers to at best one per player. It really depends on how much things change

If changes are limited in scope to what has been proposed so far, we'd retaliate by significantly upping the amount of infiltration and in-corp griefing activities to ensure that the amount of accounts CCP loses from our activities completely overshadows the amount of accounts CCP loses from our own unsubscriptions. We'd do everything possible, and within allowed game mechanics, to collect carebear and CCP tears

If CCP makes high-sec completely nonconductive to nonconsensual player interaction, then most of us would flat-out quit. There would be nothing left for us in this game.


It's a shame that the only thing in this game for you is for you to be able to gank people. It's a chickenshit tactic requiring little skill or bravery and it harms the general player base. People crying about the POSSIBILITY of removing non-consensual pvp from HIGH SEC sound like the punk bully who gets his lawyer Daddy to sue the school because they put him in time out for smacking other kids in the head

I don't want the bully killed. I just want to be able to fight back without the teacher taking away everything that I use to protect myself with. If you give the bully a baseball bat then let me have one as well.

Don't remove Non-consensual PVP but make it so it's not soooooo damned cheap and chicken **** to do.
Carebears Control Playerbase
Doomheim
#154 - 2012-03-23 19:19:33 UTC
Brom MkLeith wrote:
[quote=Destiny Corrupted]I, and a significant amount of the people I know, would probably quit, or draw down our account numbers to at best one per player. It really depends on how much things change


Fail quote
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#155 - 2012-03-23 19:21:53 UTC
Carebears Control Playerbase wrote:
Brom MkLeith wrote:
[quote=Destiny Corrupted]I, and a significant amount of the people I know, would probably quit, or draw down our account numbers to at best one per player. It really depends on how much things change


Fail quote


It's hardly a failed quote, as he's still quoting albeit in a slightly different format.
Dunbar Hulan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#156 - 2012-03-23 19:25:15 UTC
No shortage of drama queens in here.

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Roxwar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#157 - 2012-03-23 19:26:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Roxwar
Caliph Muhammed wrote:


The problem is i'll suicide gank the bear and then hide in that safe enviroment. Or kill your ship at X and prevent you from retaliating. Or any number of craptastic things that can be done when someone can achieve absolute safety.


Suicide ganking isnt what were talking about, i agree that will always exist regardless, unless CCP code it so that the second you cycle your guns, Concord insta 1 shot pwn you and your volley is negated. Now that would make people mad heh.


Rapala Armiron wrote:


The only thing I care about is the open world - sand box aspect of eve. If you take that away by walling off areas and saying "such and such" is not allowed here, and "this and that" are not allowed there -- then eve has been devolved into one of the many other theme park type games out. You kill what was special about eve.


I do see your point, and it's a very valid one, but from a business point of view, how many $ has CCP lost from potential new players just because some neckbeard in his moms basement gets his kicks from killing innocent players who have no interest in PVP?
Im just playing devils advocate here, on the one side, you have bitter high sec griefers who see the possibility of easy kills vanishing, and are shedding tears by the bucket load.
On the other, you have people who quit after a couple of weeks due to some asshat and costing CCP potential money.

Its a fine line and CCP have to get it right, but i do believe that reducing the opportunities that leet high PVP'ers have in which to put off new subscribers is an important step in the right direction.
Brom MkLeith
Epsilon Inc
#158 - 2012-03-23 19:28:04 UTC
Roxwar wrote:
The only ones quitting due to removing high sec PVP are the pussies who lack the balls to go to the places CCP provide for PVP, you may have heard of low sec and null sec, thats where most PVP players get their rocks off, and not hiding behind concord protection while they cherry pick their targets to dec knowing full well they outclass them in every way for guarenteed easy kills..

People just mad they wont be able to buff their KB with easy kills against non PVP players in high sec who dont know how to shoot back and will be forced to come to low/null and fight other - oh my gosh - PVP'ers who actually can and will shoot you back to the point you return to high sec with your carebear tail between your legs, and eventually - fingers crossed - quit EVE.

TLDR - Cry moar and jog on.


Amen brother!
Brom MkLeith
Epsilon Inc
#159 - 2012-03-23 19:29:24 UTC
Carebears Control Playerbase wrote:
Brom MkLeith wrote:
[quote=Destiny Corrupted]I, and a significant amount of the people I know, would probably quit, or draw down our account numbers to at best one per player. It really depends on how much things change


Fail quote


Thanks for pointing out that I dropped that Bracket on the way to the Post button. :)

Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#160 - 2012-03-23 19:32:13 UTC
Brom MkLeith wrote:
Carebears Control Playerbase wrote:
Brom MkLeith wrote:
[quote=Destiny Corrupted]I, and a significant amount of the people I know, would probably quit, or draw down our account numbers to at best one per player. It really depends on how much things change


Fail quote


Thanks for pointing out that I dropped that Bracket on the way to the Post button. :)




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