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Using Jetcan names is considered an exploit?
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Duvida
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-03-23 02:44:24 UTC
I was reading a conversation the other day and it came up that someone thought that renaming a jetcan and performing an action upon it was considered an exploit?

So as an example: You name your jetcan 'you' and when someone is near you, you target and warp scramble it, causing a message to appear "Duvida is attempting to warp scramble 'you'.", or something to that effect.

I can understand not being allowed to trick and grief people in tutorial systems, and maybe that's where the conversationalist was attempting his trickery? Otherwise, I'm a little surprised and would like to either confirm or put to rest the idea that this action is frowned upon?

(and before you think,' what a great idea', and go try it, you might want to wait for a CCP poster to speak so that you don't get a GM's attention, in case it truly is considered an exploit.)
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#2 - 2012-03-23 02:49:42 UTC
I think it would just be in rookie systems if anything. I'm fairly sure that it should be fine other than that though. If you're really concerned about it, write a petition asking about it.

As a side note, that could do wonders for your self esteem. You can sit there and scram that can like a boss for hours, it'll never get away from you (until it pops that is).
Versuvius Marii
Browncoats of Persephone
Ironworks Coalition
#3 - 2012-03-23 03:00:00 UTC
If this came from a can flipper who was crying about losing potential bait, then it's safe to say you can disregard it. They're most likely ******** or trying their best to score a kill in a douche fashion. Sounds to me like "working as intended".

I can understand not doing this in rookie areas, but if griefer is losing out on kills he'll do whatever he can do ensure he has the advantage. But yeah, a clarification with a GM will soon put it right, just be patient while waiting for an answer as it's not a priority concern.

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Tauren Tom
Order of the Silver Dragons
Silver Dragonz
#4 - 2012-03-23 13:14:24 UTC
There is a rule for naming of objects/structures though it doesn't specifically mention using player names or jetcans for that matter.

You're not supposed to name any object to match a celestial / impersonate an NPC faction etc... But as far as this goes, it's clever and I saw it done a couple times over the last few days but still common sense would dictate that you should look to see if someone has redboxed you before you get yourself concordokened. The fight or flee decision always comes down to a pilots best use of common knowledge.
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#5 - 2012-03-23 13:34:20 UTC
I'm not entirely sure what the purpose of this stunt would be.The only place I can see it having any function is in lowsec to get the other guy to take the sec status drop. It would be pointless in null, and they would get a concord warning in high.

Anyone have any background on this?

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Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-03-23 13:45:09 UTC
Whenever someone says something is an exploit, ask for the petition ID for verification.
Griznatch
Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#7 - 2012-03-23 15:18:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Griznatch
Ive renamed cans any number of things, including 'you' and scrammed them more times than I could count, on crowded undocks, and have never once been punished for it by CCP. Like Mfume said, petition ID or it didn't happen.

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Borun Tal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-03-23 15:29:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Borun Tal
If it's capable of being renamed, rename it. If it isn't "supposed" to be renamed, you wouldn't be able to. Putting a name on something is neither an exploit nor "not supposed to be done". Want to call your can "Borun Tal"? Knock yourself out. Want to call a can "Asteroid (Veldspar)"? Have a blast.
Silas Shaw
Coffee Hub
#9 - 2012-03-23 17:25:13 UTC
Tauren Tom wrote:
There is a rule for naming of objects/structures though it doesn't specifically mention using player names or jetcans for that matter.

You're not supposed to name any object to match a celestial / impersonate an NPC faction etc... But as far as this goes, it's clever and I saw it done a couple times over the last few days but still common sense would dictate that you should look to see if someone has redboxed you before you get yourself concordokened. The fight or flee decision always comes down to a pilots best use of common knowledge.


Id love a link to the source of this rule. i've seen many interceptors named things like Stargate (Old Man Star) or whatever. I know the formating may be off, but im not ingame atm. when i saw them, they matched.
Kinroi Alari
Orbital Express LTD
Trystero GmbH
#10 - 2012-03-23 18:34:08 UTC

I first heard of this from Maud Dib (shooting a can named "you"), who did it back sometime when the crusts of the cluster's planets were still cooling. He got in trouble then, but almost a decade has passed so who knows?

And yah, I still have fun in Velators named Asteroid (Veldspar) and Viators named Cargo Container, never heard otherwise.
ceyriot
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#11 - 2012-03-24 23:16:35 UTC
I've done it many times for the lulz, have even got people to bite a couple times. It's a neat trick, but as far as I'm aware it breaks no rules. You're not using it to gain an unfair advantage or forcing someone to do something.

Its nothing more than a mind game, so I don't see why it would be an exploit.

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Abbadon21
Ignotis Imperium
Usurper.
#12 - 2012-03-25 01:00:31 UTC
People falsely believe that many things are exploits or not allowed.

However, in 99% of the cases, if you can do it within the game it is NOT an exploit.

That's the "sandbox" at work... Your EVE Bank can steal your money, players can steal your mission salvage and loot, and gankers can gank you in high sec for no reason.



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BleedingAngl
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-03-27 13:11:08 UTC
As far as im aware it is considered as an exploit , along with naming cans 'free stuff' in newbie areas

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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#14 - 2012-03-27 13:21:36 UTC
It used to be an exploit before they added shiptype to notifications. I don't know if it's STILL an exploit but it remains a horribly cheap method of getting people to GCC in highsec.

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BleedingAngl
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-03-27 13:36:48 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
It used to be an exploit before they added shiptype to notifications. I don't know if it's STILL an exploit but it remains a horribly cheap method of getting people to GCC in highsec.


Im sure more than likely it remains a no-no in starter systems

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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#16 - 2012-03-27 13:44:19 UTC
Anyone doing anything remotely suspect in starter systems deserves whatever is coming to them to be honest.

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Dirk Smacker
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-03-27 23:37:14 UTC
The OP should write headlines for the NY Post. Big smile

I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one.
Tarsas Phage
Sniggerdly
#18 - 2012-03-27 23:55:11 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
I'm not entirely sure what the purpose of this stunt would be.The only place I can see it having any function is in lowsec to get the other guy to take the sec status drop. It would be pointless in null, and they would get a concord warning in high.

Anyone have any background on this?


Yeah, this used to be a widely successful trick done in order to get a reticent miner/missioner to shoot you after you can/wreck flipped them.

It used to be that the "blah blah has attempted to warp scramble so-and-so [corp]alliance" notification that pops up on everyone's screen omitted the [corp]alliance ticker part of the text.

So you'd roll up to a miner, for example, flip their can into yours, rename your can to "you!" and scram it (it's your own can, you can do that) and the text notification that would pop up on their screen was "FloppieTheBanjoClown has attempted to warp scramble you!" - with the aim of falsely giving them the impression that they're now being attacked and would attack back.

I'm paraphrasing the exact text but you get the gist.

/T
Perihelion Olenard
#19 - 2012-03-29 20:29:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Perihelion Olenard
It's not a very good tactic since the player just has to look at the overview and see you're not red. If they flipped your can to make themselves red they can be attacked anyway.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#20 - 2012-03-29 22:26:34 UTC
It's just a cheap trick noob pvpers rely on to trick people into giving them a risk free easy kill because they are too incompetent to engage a real target.

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