Crime & Punishment

People still don't get what the actual issue.

In any event, it's all just conjecture until CCP puts in a dev blog... THIS IS WHAT WERE GOING TO DO. Until then, I shall wait.

Still don't like the idea of getting a sec hit for killing somebody that is shooting at me.

From what I can see, all this does it add consequences to the actions of high sec can flippers and gankers. I enjoy flipping the occasional can and it makes my heart warm knowing that I might get attacked by random people for doing it! Exciting!

Furthermore, it makes sense. If you're essentially stealing from someone in High Sec, why wouldn't Concord cast a disdainful eye on the matter? The 'Criminal Flag' of today is really just a private flag, now it will be a true criminal flag.

I think it will be enjoyable.

Rebuttal pointing out that losing sec status when the other party consents to PVP is absurd.

Comment on the appropriateness of your corp name.

I love all the low/null sec people saying to man up and take the sec hits....

Even though in low/null sec, you NEVER take any form of sec hit for killing ANYBODY who shot you first........



If they implement it as stated however, it still provides methods to grief far harder than ever before - with even LESS real risk to yourself! (if you don't know what I'm talking about, go back a few pages and read my evil plan ). Hooray for unintended consequences

As long as people do indeed exploit said consequences, the sec hits won't last more than a month - even if by some miracle they get implemented at all - so just make plans to be extremely evil *in case* they happen, and until we find out for sure I recommend that everyone just *relax* and wait for something official rather than just rumours

Wait... How do you accept a 1v1 then?

Durr... reading comprehension fail on my part.

I like it how people whine about station games and then advocate for mechanics that would basically force all non-war highsec PVP to occur on stations.

I spend 90% of my time in high sec and have engaged in can flipping myself, along with ninja salvaging, trying to bait mission runners, war decing indy corps and all the other fun things you can do in high sec to make an ass of yourself. I don't apologize for my play style and don't care how other people choose to spend their time in eve. After looking at the op, I have to say I have no problems at all with the proposed "suspect" tag as long as 1) the suspect flag does not stop you from docking, gating or changing ships with an orca and 2) the sec status hit to the person with the suspect tag is removed.

This could however cause an unforeseen bonus in the new player systems. As everyone knows, there are people who sit in new player systems can baiting. Usually there are 2 or 3 of these guys bating. With the proposed changes, when a new player falls for the "free stuff" bait, instead of surprise butt seks from one thrasher, he/she will enjoy a surprise gang bang from many thrashers. And, all of the baiters will now be able to get in on the km. Just think of all the time this will save the baiters. (Before anyone jumps to conclusions, no I do not do this, as it is against the TOS/EULA. Just bringing this up for those who have brought up the "What you do drives off new players!" argument.)

Anyways, people are bringing up a lack of risk involved in high sec pvp. There are many ways and many locations to engage in pvp in eve, each with its own rules and its own level of risk. If you are flying around high sec with a suspect tag and anyone can take a shot at you then I would consider the risk requirement fulfilled. Your choice may not appeal to me and mine might not appeal to you. But, in the end, as long as ships go boom because of another player, isn't that pvp? I would imagine that, even with the proposed changes, you can still "bet on stupid" and come out ahead. All the suspect flag will do is give more people the chance to be stupid.

I for one am looking forwards to the Suspect flag.

My corp (bunch of mining carebears) has been harassed for quite a while by another corp that refuses to dec us, will dec shield if we attempt to dec him, and knows that he's annoying us with no way for us to retaliate without incurring a sec status hit unless we coax him into a wormhole or low sec, which is not going to happen. With the new mechanics, he'll have to leave the miners alone, or I'll kill him and send him packing with a massive sec status hit.


The status hit isn't really a big deal if you look at it from a pvp perspective. Even if you're forced out of high sec, your status can be redeemed if you hunt pilots on the other end of the spectrum. Instead of a gradual sec grind, you have an opportunity to instantly boost your sec status.

Furthermore, the suspect flag will ENCOURAGE new players to band together and hunt you down. Thrilling news if I do say so myself.

It'll be interesting to see if Socratic takes any more cans from "his" system after the changes, or if he stays docked all day and runs his mouth.