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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#181 - 2012-03-23 18:50:18 UTC
Will someone please post the video!!

CCP seemed to have cut the delayed feed just as it was getting interesting!

It would seem to have been a train wreck so I must watch!!!! Blink
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#182 - 2012-03-23 18:52:45 UTC
DelBoy Trades wrote:
Alliance panel: Grown up kids who live with their parents who have no idea how to handle alcohol. Both embarrassing and depressing to watch.


Raise your kids better then.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Shanky McStabber
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#183 - 2012-03-23 18:54:33 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
who knew EVE had so many prissy uptight little girls playing


Grath Telkin,

You are a mean, vile, petty, rude, and violent bastard...

Damn I love you.
Vladimir Plinnikov
Plinnikov Family Holdings
#184 - 2012-03-23 18:55:42 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Vladimir Plinnikov wrote:


Making fun of someones fitting is one thing. Mocking them because they are going through a tough period in life and then playing the Social Darwinism card is entirely another.

Internet spaceships is not serious, nor should it be. This is.


What, mocking them for this is exactly what you should do.


Why are they playing video games when they're going through a rough spot? Why not just man up and go deal with their problems in the real world instead of trying to escape into a fictional one.

In fact, you acting like we should somehow pity those people actually makes you the bigger ******, its not my job to babysit, I don't come here to be a counselor.

Neither is it CCP's job, the "T" rating of the game hasn't been violated, as the actual fanfest isn't 'rated'.



Literally, you and your post and its expectations of other peoples morals makes you an idiot.


I'm not asking you to hold a pitty party, nor am I askilng CCP or anyone else to give the guy a counceling session. What I'm saying is that calling him out like that and encouraging harrassment is taking this whole cold hard universe too far. If this guy does pop himself and all this makes it to the media Eve is real is going to have a whole new meaning.

You also missed my point about the Teen rating. What I said was because of the rating their are teens playing the game. What if this guy was an introverted 13 year old and Mittens said what he said? Herp derp you don't care. When you have kids you'll figure it out. If you already do I hope you're a better father than you're coming off on this thread.
Pahineh Amelana
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#185 - 2012-03-23 19:02:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Pahineh Amelana
Vladimir Plinnikov wrote:
[quote=Ladie Harlot]People threatening suicide over space pixels deserve to be mocked.[/quote

Actually it doesn't

Drunk, swearing, not taking a game seriously is fine. I see no issues with that, not my cup of tea but to each their own
The issue I take with this was that the line between internet spaceships and real life has been crossed. It's one thing to be a jerk in the Eve Universe, it is cold and harsh after all. It's a completelt different thing to call for someones suicide on web TV watched by 1000s of viewers with the call for mass harrassment

CCP should have stepped up to the plate and nipped that one in the bud, but they didn't. Everyone needs to remember that this game is rated T currently, which means that several people on these boards and in game are under the age of 18. No problem with that, but CCP needs to keep an eye on laws like the Megan Meier Cyberbullying Prevention Act (H.R. 1966) less they find their U.S. players no longer have the ability to connect

Making fun of someones fitting is one thing. Mocking them because they are going through a tough period in life and then playing the Social Darwinism card is entirely another

Internet spaceships is not serious, nor should it be. This is.


This is kind of the point
The line between this being a game, and being taken out of concept of a game.

Turn the tables around, and it would be no different if this was a "Goon" member going through a Real situation, and someone did it to them, I would say the same thing, disgusting. This is not a Bash Goon, or CFC, or anyone for that matter. This thread was not an attempt at starting bashing. It was to honestly capitalize on issues like this going on in game, and now clearly at fanfest.
It is not good for CCP, it is not good for us the playerbase, it is not good for outsiders, and honestly way down the road it's not good for a gaming community / industry, period

This thread was a very simple, and straightforward statement. Disgusting. Period.

No public apology is needed, nor wanted, infact whether said individual had a few drinks or not is simply an excus
They were still coherent enough to formulate thought, speech, and direct their slides / presentation. They wanted to say the things they said, thus they said them.

What was the goal behind this thread?
To hopefully show CCP that a vast majority of their playerbase is disgusted by things said, not just one thing but many
To hopefully show CCP the players do not appreciate when people directly / indirectly try to ruin this game for others, outside of the game itself, and or by using certain game mechanics to achieve this purposefully.
To hopefully get CCP to stand up and defend & enforce issues for it's playerbase. Don't get me wrong CCP HAS been doing this more and more lately

What is the overall outcome
Degrade in community, which many of us know what that has done to the gaming industry (20+years) in general, and thus no matter how awesome EVE becomes, if the community is degrading, so is the game, so are the players, so is the future

No one needs to sit around and hold hands, people can still tell people to get f---ed in game etc. Kill the s--- out of one another all the same, but keep it here in the game. The world is a crazy place, we don't need craziness spilling over into fanfests etc. How funny would it be if something said @ fanfest was dwelled on, and @ the next fanfest someone was injured/assaulted over it? It's not a threat, but it's a reality of the human world. Ignorance & Stupidity = Ignorance & Stupidity.

Sadly, many people do play this game with a sadistic mindset, and want nothing more than to harm the game/players/ccp
With that in mind, it's CCP's responsibility to defend the players from such individuals


This is no different than dealing with botters, rmters, hackers, etc.
Vaktul
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#186 - 2012-03-23 19:47:16 UTC
ElQuirko wrote:
Andski wrote:
I agree they were very uncouth, how dare they make their presentations about spaceship guilds anything but serious


Covering up for the glorious leader, eh?

Word of advice: Comedy is meant to be funny.



Word of Advice: Humor is subjective.
Ana'Gia
Pink Bunny Club
#187 - 2012-03-23 21:22:12 UTC
the first wormhole guy was really made a nice presentation. Perhaps last three guys should think about their behaviour. The Mittani really should think about his CSM Role.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#188 - 2012-03-23 21:26:18 UTC
Pahineh Amelana wrote:
Turn the tables around, and it would be no different if this was a "Goon" member going through a Real situation, and someone did it to them


A Goon actually did kill himself a few years ago. RoyofCA jokes are a proud tradition.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Holy One
Privat Party
#189 - 2012-03-23 21:26:22 UTC
confirming drunk nerds with mental age of 14 and ***** **** will make you cringe.

move along.

:)
Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
#190 - 2012-03-23 22:03:40 UTC
Let's be honest, if you play Eve there's a fairly good chance your post-mortem will reveal a spinal column encrusted with crystallized alcohol and a liver the size of a baby hippo. Be drunk and disorderly, I say. The worst that can happen is you ruin your credibility as an alliance leader or CSM rep, but really what's the loss in that? Everyone not in your alliance already assumes you to be afflicted with mental midgetry at best, but more likely they view you as a literal space-hitler. The opinions of scrublords in the general player base is not your concern, dear leader.

                      "LIVE FAST DIE." - traditional Minmatar ethos [citation needed]
El Sergio YBrava
Doomheim
#191 - 2012-03-23 22:04:46 UTC
I don't care about the mental age of other EVE players or their private behavior, but in regard of OP I agree as the "public" stream is disgusting in some point and not a very good example of the professionalism of CCP.

Hey everybody should have a good time at the fanfest, and if they need to get drunk and behave like teenagers its their right, but that CCP support this and actually advertises public alcohol consume and stupidity makes me sad.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#192 - 2012-03-23 22:06:19 UTC
only despicable, disgusting and uneducated pathetic excuses for human beings post with forum alts

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
El Sergio YBrava
Doomheim
#193 - 2012-03-23 22:09:41 UTC
learned from experience that some "certain" people can't differentiate between the forums and ingame :)
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#194 - 2012-03-23 23:27:37 UTC
Vladimir Plinnikov wrote:

You also missed my point about the Teen rating. What I said was because of the rating their are teens playing the game. What if this guy was an introverted 13 year old and Mittens said what he said? Herp derp you don't care. When you have kids you'll figure it out. If you already do I hope you're a better father than you're coming off on this thread.


Im a grandfather, how is it my responsibility to care for another mans child?

Where are his parents while he's crying his eyes out about killing himself in an internet space ship game?


Literally how dare you insinuate that its anybodies fault but the people in his real life.



So yes, I mock him, like I mock you, the well intentioned world grief counselor who would dare demand that the rest of the world uphold his raggedy overbearing belief structure.



If he's troubled, he has a family, he has people around him, and its their job to deal with it, not mine, not yours, not anybody elses, and yes, suicide is a pussies way out, I'd mock anybody considering it relentlessly, get it over with and stop wasting my air.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#195 - 2012-03-23 23:38:05 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Will someone please post the video!!
DaiTengu
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#196 - 2012-03-23 23:44:06 UTC
Not sure if anyone's gone through and posted "the Wis" 's bio, but here it is in all it's glory.


Quote:

Hello I am Keith known as The Wis. I use to play this allot back in 2002 and then took a long break. Work got to be too much and then allot of hurricans etc. I am 47 and work with computer. Reparing them and TV and ATM machiens etc. I work for my self.
Also a little more about me. My wife likes that I can play this game. She misses these types of games. Over the past 5 years she has gone completly deaf and blind. So some times I need to drop everything to help her with something. I am also very mobel so I am online all the time. Even when driving.
Also an update my wife and I are now Divorced and no the game is that the reason for that.
If you would like to know more feel free to ask.
Thanks
Keith
The Wis
Theodoric Darkwind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#197 - 2012-03-24 01:27:57 UTC
Logix42 wrote:
Eve uni was good, Gentleman's whatever guy was a gentleman, The wormhole dude was Awesome, anthems guy would be better with video... and then had to shut the feed off. So much swearing. Test alliance ceo completely wasted. Disgraceful. I wouldn't let him back.


Last I checked Montolio was the TEST alliance ceo, not MBIII.
JamesCLK
#198 - 2012-03-24 02:13:11 UTC
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:
Logix42 wrote:
Eve uni was good, Gentleman's whatever guy was a gentleman, The wormhole dude was Awesome, anthems guy would be better with video... and then had to shut the feed off. So much swearing. Test alliance ceo completely wasted. Disgraceful. I wouldn't let him back.


Last I checked Montolio was the TEST alliance ceo, not MBIII.


Iceland called, they want their goats back. Ugh

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Mohr Cowbell
KarmaFleet University
#199 - 2012-03-24 03:06:11 UTC
Pahineh Amelana wrote:
Disgusting.



I agree.
Aryndel Vyst
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#200 - 2012-03-24 03:31:05 UTC
I was hoping one of the workshops would be an intervention for Michael Bolton III