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Fanfest 2012 Breaking News: Dust 514 Keynote

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Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#41 - 2012-03-23 07:35:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Callidus Dux
Siegfried VonTeufel wrote:
CCP Navigator wrote:
... the yet unreleased free-to-download-and-play PlayStation 3 exclusive DUST 514 showed that....


Free to play, DUST514?! Am I reading this right??


That is correct. You pay in EVE that Dusties can play for free. Big smile
Nearly free.. they pay once for the game. This is why I, as EVE player, hate DUST so much. Evil
CCP should use MY monthly subscription fee to improve the game I pay for! Especially that DUST is a console only game and I, as PC user, am not able / willing to buy a console and play the game. A console from a company with a lot of attacks and hacks on customers data.

I hope that DUST will be the same fail as the last "improvements" from CCP in EVE.
I mean the not customizable Neocrapcom; the bugged and delayed overview or this fabulous new launcher.

I would like to see that DUST dies within the first months and CCP will REAL integrate DUST into EVE so that ALL paying EVE players are able to play dust without a console. Or DUST dies and CCP dies.. By now I dont care anymore!

CCP has it made that I become a EVE hater from a EVE lover. Too mutch fail by development, ignorance from developer and management and they ignore the customer if they bring suggestions or report bugs. Ask for their customers feedback but decline every statement to problems in EVE. Refuse a rollback if there is a problem like the last with the sh!t launcher. Bring a nex shop and this fugging currency AURUM which is in fact microtransaction!

THAT DOESNT FIT INTO A GAME WITH MONTHLY SUBSCRIBTION CCP!
GeeShizzle MacCloud
#42 - 2012-03-23 08:02:23 UTC
Rancyin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2012-03-23 08:33:15 UTC
Callidus Dux wrote:
Siegfried VonTeufel wrote:
CCP Navigator wrote:
... the yet unreleased free-to-download-and-play PlayStation 3 exclusive DUST 514 showed that....


Free to play, DUST514?! Am I reading this right??


That is correct. You pay in EVE that Dusties can play for free. Big smile
Nearly free.. they pay once for the game. This is why I, as EVE player, hate DUST so much. Evil
CCP should use MY monthly subscription fee to improve the game I pay for! Especially that DUST is a console only game and I, as PC user, am not able / willing to buy a console and play the game. A console from a company with a lot of attacks and hacks on customers data.

I hope that DUST will be the same fail as the last "improvements" from CCP in EVE.
I mean the not customizable Neocrapcom; the bugged and delayed overview or this fabulous new launcher.

I would like to see that DUST dies within the first months and CCP will REAL integrate DUST into EVE so that ALL paying EVE players are able to play dust without a console. Or DUST dies and CCP dies.. By now I dont care anymore!

CCP has it made that I become a EVE hater from a EVE lover. Too mutch fail by development, ignorance from developer and management and they ignore the customer if they bring suggestions or report bugs. Ask for their customers feedback but decline every statement to problems in EVE. Refuse a rollback if there is a problem like the last with the sh!t launcher. Bring a nex shop and this fugging currency AURUM which is in fact microtransaction!

THAT DOESNT FIT INTO A GAME WITH MONTHLY SUBSCRIBTION CCP!


What planet are you on? No one in there right mind would pay a monthly sub for a FPS game on a console.

Obviously you have no understanding and your completely arrogent on how companies like CCP survive. The future of games are here. and for companies to survice Micro transactions are the way forward love it or hate it.


Xantor Bludberry
#44 - 2012-03-23 08:45:31 UTC

WOW, thanks man!
GeeShizzle MacCloud
#45 - 2012-03-23 08:57:42 UTC
Xantor Bludberry wrote:

WOW, thanks man!

anytime m8! 'like' the post if you feel its worth it! Big smile
Xervish Krin
Intaki Fine Stationery Solutions
#46 - 2012-03-23 09:02:23 UTC
Callidus Dux wrote:
Siegfried VonTeufel wrote:
CCP Navigator wrote:
... the yet unreleased free-to-download-and-play PlayStation 3 exclusive DUST 514 showed that....


Free to play, DUST514?! Am I reading this right??


That is correct. You pay in EVE that Dusties can play for free. Big smile
Nearly free.. they pay once for the game. This is why I, as EVE player, hate DUST so much. Evil
CCP should use MY monthly subscription fee to improve the game I pay for! Especially that DUST is a console only game and I, as PC user, am not able / willing to buy a console and play the game. A console from a company with a lot of attacks and hacks on customers data.

I hope that DUST will be the same fail as the last "improvements" from CCP in EVE.
I mean the not customizable Neocrapcom; the bugged and delayed overview or this fabulous new launcher.

I would like to see that DUST dies within the first months and CCP will REAL integrate DUST into EVE so that ALL paying EVE players are able to play dust without a console. Or DUST dies and CCP dies.. By now I dont care anymore!

CCP has it made that I become a EVE hater from a EVE lover. Too mutch fail by development, ignorance from developer and management and they ignore the customer if they bring suggestions or report bugs. Ask for their customers feedback but decline every statement to problems in EVE. Refuse a rollback if there is a problem like the last with the sh!t launcher. Bring a nex shop and this fugging currency AURUM which is in fact microtransaction!

THAT DOESNT FIT INTO A GAME WITH MONTHLY SUBSCRIBTION CCP!


Any other company channels some of its income into new products. The guys who made your phone? They're probably CHANNELLING YOUR CONTRACT MONIES INTO A NEW PHONE THAT YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BUY. Your car manufacturer of choice? They're putting some of the money you paid them towards a MILLION POUND CAR THAT YOU PROBABLY WON'T EVER GET.

So why is it that as soon as CCP does the same they become an evil company of death? They already provide free expansions twice a year, but all that seems to have done is given people like you a ridiculous sense of entitlement to having everything done specifically for you because YOU PAID THEM MONIES, DAMMIT.
Kal Gnak
WaYnE AG
#47 - 2012-03-23 09:12:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Kal Gnak
The orbital-bombardment seems to be a cool thing, in most cases if its live, the next thing im interested how does it work on massiv fleetfight where "TIME-Dilation" has its side-effect will that dilation count for the dust-players too ? or the servers get asynchron and crash ?

The next cool thing i want to see are drones from Battleships or carriers make airstrikes on the planet surface(they have to be visible by the dustplayers and they should be able to destroy them with anti-air weapons not only bombardment, i am also missed up in the demonstration is a way that dustplayer can defend or interrup orbital- / airstrikes, maybe some dust moduls for targeting jamming that the other force has to destroy till the orbital strike can be made.

As i have seen in the presentation you have a dustplayer to order the strike and he has to place a marker on the map till the ship outside orbiting the planet can strike on that location. That prevents eve player on randomly or just for fun spaming the orbital-strikes.

The next thing im missing up, are pirat-faction based items and vehicles will there ever be a dread guristasPirate hovertank or assault rifle out there for dustplayers? to be similar to the eve Pirate-factional ships/weapons/amunition?

Will dustplayers be able to fight SleepersQuestion on WH-SPACE planets or atack planets of the JOVE-EMPIRE as late game PVE/coop content ? When its not controlled or owend by players?

When i controll a planet, how does it defend its self till my mercs arrive as reinforcemnet ? is there any AI driven defense?

Or do we get a warning that planet XY is beeing atacked in the next 2 hours and there is a countdown running so i get time to order mercs for defending?
Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#48 - 2012-03-23 09:47:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Callidus Dux
Rancyin wrote:
Callidus Dux wrote:
...

What planet are you on? No one in there right mind would pay a monthly sub for a FPS game on a console.

Obviously you have no understanding and your completely arrogent on how companies like CCP survive. The future of games are here. and for companies to survice Micro transactions are the way forward love it or hate it.


Xervish Krin wrote:
Callidus Dux wrote:
...

So why is it that as soon as CCP does the same they become an evil company of death? They already provide free expansions twice a year, but all that seems to have done is given people like you a ridiculous sense of entitlement to having everything done specifically for you because YOU PAID THEM MONIES, DAMMIT.



It is correct, that no one will pay a monthly fee for a console game. Perhaps you are right and the furure of a game like DUST is on console without any (excl. purchasing price) fees for the customer. But why must I pay for EVE, when all others can play for free with teir console? A second game from the same company but I am the only one who pays and is excluded from playing with my PC? That is, what I dislike.
It would be OK for me, if CCP brings DUST for console AND PC, so that I can be part of DUST too. Dont know if this is possible. But I dont want to extra buy a "Sony 'hacked all day' PS3".
And yeah! I hate microtransactions. And it is my personal opinion, that such a finance model is wrong in a game with monthly subscribtion fee. CCP has to choose ONE of these two financial models. Sub. fee OR microtransactions. Booth looks too greedy.
Furthermore I like games with a monthly sub fee. I would NEVER play a game which is F2P but P2W. At this point the NeXstore is in fact just for visual issues for characters. But I am afraid that this will be changed in the long-term view. What?
nirtal
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#49 - 2012-03-23 10:26:47 UTC
Callidus Dux wrote:
Rancyin wrote:
Callidus Dux wrote:
...

What planet are you on? No one in there right mind would pay a monthly sub for a FPS game on a console.

Obviously you have no understanding and your completely arrogent on how companies like CCP survive. The future of games are here. and for companies to survice Micro transactions are the way forward love it or hate it.


Xervish Krin wrote:
Callidus Dux wrote:
...

So why is it that as soon as CCP does the same they become an evil company of death? They already provide free expansions twice a year, but all that seems to have done is given people like you a ridiculous sense of entitlement to having everything done specifically for you because YOU PAID THEM MONIES, DAMMIT.



It is correct, that no one will pay a monthly fee for a console game. Perhaps you are right and the furure of a game like DUST is on console without any (excl. purchasing price) fees for the customer. But why must I pay for EVE, when all others can play for free with teir console? A second game from the same company but I am the only one who pays and is excluded from playing with my PC? That is, what I dislike.
It would be OK for me, if CCP brings DUST for console AND PC, so that I can be part of DUST too. Dont know if this is possible. But I dont want to extra buy a "Sony 'hacked all day' PS3".
And yeah! I hate microtransactions. And it is my personal opinion, that such a finance model is wrong in a game with monthly subscribtion fee. CCP has to choose ONE of these two financial models. Sub. fee OR microtransactions. Booth looks too greedy.
Furthermore I like games with a monthly sub fee. I would NEVER play a game which is F2P but P2W. At this point the NeXstore is in fact just for visual issues for characters. But I am afraid that this will be changed in the long-term view. What?



You pay for EVE and you play EVE, console players pay for their console and play DUST. I don't follow the proposition that you pay for EVE therefore you should be able to play DUST. There are so many console games that I would like to see on PC, but we can't have it all :(

You may hate microtransactions, as do I. But there is a very simple solution, don't use it and ignore it. As long as it is optional, I am fine with both existing together... As for EVE, I don't think it will become P2W at any point in time, considering the limiting skill factor and the fact that it is a massive-morpg..
Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#50 - 2012-03-23 11:11:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Callidus Dux
nirtal wrote:
You pay for EVE and you play EVE, console players pay for their console and play DUST. I don't follow the proposition that you pay for EVE therefore you should be able to play DUST...


I pay every month to play EVE. Concole players can download the game for free and pay nothing. [GERMAN LINK]
As it is.. I pay CCP that they are able to make free to play games for console players and exclude their paying customers on PC, who have no console.
Sure.. CCP hopes for income with microtransactions in DUST. And there will be some money from the game itself. But the lion's share, of CCP's liquidity, comes from the paying EVE online customer who is not allowed to play the game without a console.

Possibly CCP is hoping to persuade a former Dust player to try EVE online and get money from this new account. But at this time.. we pay for the free game DUST but we are not able to play it (on PC). Evil
Di Mulle
#51 - 2012-03-23 11:32:06 UTC
Callidus Dux wrote:
nirtal wrote:
You pay for EVE and you play EVE, console players pay for their console and play DUST. I don't follow the proposition that you pay for EVE therefore you should be able to play DUST...


I pay every month to play EVE. Concole players can download the game for free and pay nothing. [GERMAN LINK]
As it is.. I pay CCP that they are able to make free to play games for console players and exclude their paying customers on PC, who have no console.
Sure.. CCP hopes for income with microtransactions in DUST. And there will be some money from the game itself. But the lion's share, of CCP's liquidity, comes from the paying EVE online customer who is not allowed to play the game without a console.


Naive beyond salvation...

If CCP would think they can spare some money from your payments (and they should, it is called a profit), they would just pay that money for themselves, in a form of dividends. Not spend them as a charity for console kids.

Dust himself is planned to be profitable - otherwise there is no point of making it. Wil it be profitable in reality, remains to be seen, as for any commercial project.
<<Insert some waste of screen space here>>
Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#52 - 2012-03-23 11:37:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Callidus Dux
Di Mulle wrote:

Naive beyond salvation....


Why? It is a fact that a DUST player must not pay anything. A free to play game from a company who gets its MAIN income from EVE online accounts. What is naive at it, to dislike this finance model?
Di Mulle
#53 - 2012-03-23 12:37:45 UTC
Callidus Dux wrote:
Di Mulle wrote:

Naive beyond salvation....


Why? It is a fact that a DUST player must not pay anything. A free to play game from a company who gets its MAIN income from EVE online accounts. What is naive at it, to dislike this finance model?


You are naive at thinking any company would ever imply a finance model where it gives everything for free. If it is not called "Mother Theresa", ofc.

DUST will finance itself through MT, or at least it is planned to.
<<Insert some waste of screen space here>>
Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#54 - 2012-03-23 12:43:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Callidus Dux
Di Mulle wrote:

You are naive at thinking any company would ever imply a finance model where it gives everything for free. If it is not called "Mother Theresa", ofc.

DUST will finance itself through MT, or at least it is planned to.


It is a fact (!!) that you can play DUST for free. You can use the MT for an update in DUST. But you do not have to do so. You can simply play this game for free.
I want to tell that it is not right, that I, as EVE player, should finance a free to play game on a console. Thats all.
Sure.. CCP has its plans. But till now- I dont see how this plan wil improve the game I currently play AND pay. I currently see a game that I can not play and which was developed with the finance capital from my active eve online accounts; without ANY effect of MY personal play style in EVE.
So please do not interprete something other than this into my message.
Nonmortem
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2012-03-23 12:49:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Nonmortem
Does anyone remind the crying and overestimation about Aurum in EvE? And all those feaze ended only into dressing your avatar for your own happiness until today? At present you can't walk in common areas on the stations, and you can't interact with other players on it. The only way to show your expansive clothes is to make a snapshot from your avatar and send it to another player....

I think, to compensate the lost of PI-Products in the game for POS-Holders, and the
possibility to make corp versus corp battles, it may be, that empire-systems and planets get
useable for corps one day.

CCP may also compensate the lost of fuel via pumping PI-Products or blocks into the market.
Sure, this will break their credo not to get involved into the market.

There may even also the point, that CCP wants to get it more expensive to hold a POS.
Wasn't in eve one credo? Accomodate yourself to the new situation, or you loose?

I hope, and be nearly convinced that sooner or later Dust will also be available and playable on PC.
Maybe not at the beginning, but later...
In my opinion CCP can't abstain from it, because the game lives from players who have a PC.

And how many Dust-players must the EvE-players await? If there are not enough Dusties to impact the game, can one Dust-player command a bunch of soldiers via a command-system, anyhow? There are so many questions...

My great hope is, that CCP does not aim for more casual players, and EvE motivates the hardcore-ones in the long term as in the past years. Because to get more casual players in the short-term, will maybe mean to loose those who are playing this game in the past.

Casual plays tend to buy a game, play it for some weeks, and then buy the next one...
The future will show, if Dust turns to Dust, and if it will be nothing more than a short flue for EvE ...

And for sure: EvE, Dust514, as well as any other game programmed is intended to make profit, through whatever financial-plan. The exception from this are only private non-profit-projects, and neither EvE nor Dust is one of them... But that is ok, as long as I can extract enough fun for me out of EvE for the money I pay.
Maybe Dust turns into something, which will enrich EvE, maybe not, but this till show only time ...

P.S.: Please excuse my bad english in some lines I wrote
Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-03-23 13:01:15 UTC
Nonmortem wrote:
I hope, and be nearly convinced that sooner or later Dust will also be available and playable on PC.
Maybe not at the beginning, but later...
In my opinion CCP can't abstain from it, because the game lives from players who have a PC.


I hope it too. Big smile It can die on console but live on PC. All other is, for me, wrong.
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#57 - 2012-03-23 13:22:58 UTC
Callidus Dux wrote:
Siegfried VonTeufel wrote:
CCP Navigator wrote:
... the yet unreleased free-to-download-and-play PlayStation 3 exclusive DUST 514 showed that....


Free to play, DUST514?! Am I reading this right??


That is correct. You pay in EVE that Dusties can play for free. Big smile
Nearly free.. they pay once for the game. This is why I, as EVE player, hate DUST so much. Evil


Pay attention next time. They removed that now. After all, you brought up the quote. Just download and play on the spot without paying a penny.

Adapt or Die

Di Mulle
#58 - 2012-03-23 13:23:49 UTC
Callidus Dux wrote:
Di Mulle wrote:

You are naive at thinking any company would ever imply a finance model where it gives everything for free. If it is not called "Mother Theresa", ofc.

DUST will finance itself through MT, or at least it is planned to.


It is a fact (!!) that you can play DUST for free. You can use the MT for an update in DUST. But you do not have to do so. You can simply play this game for free.
I want to tell that it is not right, that I, as EVE player, should finance a free to play game on a console. Thats all.
Sure.. CCP has its plans. But till now- I dont see how this plan wil improve the game I currently play AND pay. I currently see a game that I can not play and which was developed with the finance capital from my active eve online accounts; without ANY effect of MY personal play style in EVE.
So please do not interprete something other than this into my message.



"It is a fact (!!) that you can play EVE for free. You can use the subscription to pay for EVE. But you do not have to do so. You can simply play this game for free."

Applying your feverish emotions, I probably must wish you electrocuted or something.

Also, I can't help myself, but assume, that you somehow naively think "can play DUST for free"="DUSTas a whole is a charity project" (and charity is provided by EVE players).

Those, who will MT in DUST, will pay for it as a whole, including paying for those who will not. At least that is the plan. To think otherwise is to be naive. Or to be desperately looking for just another reason to rage Lol
<<Insert some waste of screen space here>>
LtCol Laurentius
The Imperial Sardaukar
#59 - 2012-03-23 14:50:39 UTC
Well some news are slowly tricling in. According to PC Gamer, Dust will intially only affect planets in highsec, at least until next year. So no sovreignty fights on planets just yet.
Lyric Lahnder
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-03-23 15:53:39 UTC
Try to generate buz among your console FPS buddies if your worried about there not being enough dusties.
As long CCP doesnt make any major **** ups on dust, initial launch will be light and will slowly build the base of players as word gets out that Dust is indeed the online Evolved first person shooter.

Why would you want to higher dusties some one asked? As it has shaped up ccp has said. You will get isk for controlling mines on planets and controlling there orbital elevators, as well as having planets play into sovereignty. All though it will not be essential to claim key planets in a system to maintain sovereignty it will be advantageous to do so. If the other player doesn't bother with your planets no problem, If they do you might want to consider getting them back, but there will be ways around it if you choose not too.

Noir. and Noir Academy are recruiting apply at www.noirmercs.com I Noir Academy: 60 days old must be able to fly at least one tech II frigate. I Noir. Recruits: 4:1 k/d ratio and can fly tech II cruisers.