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Ep33n.com - The Next Generation of Killboards
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Mad Hops
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-03-22 13:59:38 UTC
Greetings Capsuleers!

On behalf of BattleClinic, I'd like to announce the next generation of killboards:

http://ep33n.com/

Ep33n is the first ever successful API-only killboard in all of Eve! That means no more fakes! No more doubting whether a killmail is legit! You can be 100% sure that every killmail on ep33n is real.

We're also giving credit to Concord and npc's across New Eden. If you lose a ship in a complex, it WILL show up! A loss is a loss, and therefore it belongs on a killboard!

With one of the most advanced search filters in the eve community (along with awesome new achievements), this is the most advanced killboard in the universe!

And the best news is that it's still in Beta! That means, with proper feedback, it will get even better!

We encourage all capsuleers to submit their API, try it out, and join the bandwagon!

With that, I leave you with only two words: Fight Smart(r)

Mad Hops
The BattleClinic Team
Kristoffon Ellecon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-03-22 14:14:11 UTC
Allowing to search by shiptype is the most important yet overlooked feature in all killboards.

That alone makes me love youl. <3
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#3 - 2012-03-22 14:49:17 UTC
I like this idea and removing faked kills is a cool thing. But... I've never faked a kill but my history will be limited on eP33n because I'd prolly manually posted a load of stuff over the years.

How does ep33n cope with this?

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MrCue
Alpha Quadrant Industries
#4 - 2012-03-22 14:56:22 UTC
Since the API does not provide a history, and even if it did, it would be limited to the last 20 something million killmails to be generated unless CCP has data they aren't sharing.

History will be your BattleClinic killboard, ep33n is going forwards with everyone starting on the same footing.
Ranking will be more based on current activity, than on what you have done in the past.
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#5 - 2012-03-22 14:57:47 UTC
MrCue wrote:
Since the API does not provide a history, and even if it did, it would be limited to the last 20 something million killmails to be generated unless CCP has data they aren't sharing.

History will be your BattleClinic killboard, ep33n is going forwards with everyone starting on the same footing.
Ranking will be more based on current activity, than on what you have done in the past.


Interesting. There was a killboard in beta a while back with some very nice visuals for this kind of thing. Not sure what happened to it in the end but, yeah.

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lilol' me
Comply Or Die
The Initiative.
#6 - 2012-03-22 17:05:24 UTC
Mad Hops wrote:
Greetings Capsuleers!

On behalf of BattleClinic, I'd like to announce the next generation of killboards:

http://ep33n.com/

Ep33n is the first ever successful API-only killboard in all of Eve! That means no more fakes! No more doubting whether a killmail is legit! You can be 100% sure that every killmail on ep33n is real.

We're also giving credit to Concord and npc's across New Eden. If you lose a ship in a complex, it WILL show up! A loss is a loss, and therefore it belongs on a killboard!

With one of the most advanced search filters in the eve community (along with awesome new achievements), this is the most advanced killboard in the universe!

And the best news is that it's still in Beta! That means, with proper feedback, it will get even better!

We encourage all capsuleers to submit their API, try it out, and join the bandwagon!

With that, I leave you with only two words: Fight Smart(r)

Mad Hops
The BattleClinic Team


firstly its says ALPHA not Beta

Also its so basic whos going to use it? Even battclinic was so full of ads etc it was lagging the site
Seriously build something that looks better and does better than the normal killboard then might start using it

but its so basic its not even worth it. and remove that silly noughts and crosses icons it just makes it look a mess
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-03-22 17:25:13 UTC
Heh, just when I thought that no one can possibly make a kill board that is worse then the Battleclinic KB, the folks at BC prove me wrong. NPC losses? Why?
Bubanni
Game of Drones
The Initiative.
#8 - 2012-03-22 17:39:59 UTC
Gnaw LF wrote:
Heh, just when I thought that no one can possibly make a kill board that is worse then the Battleclinic KB, the folks at BC prove me wrong. NPC losses? Why?


a kill is a kill... regardless of who kills the kill

NPC losses are just as valid

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Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-03-22 18:20:25 UTC
Oh joy! Yet another Kill Board!
I prefer to just lay mine out on the table
and use a yardstick.

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-03-22 18:33:02 UTC
Gnaw LF wrote:
Heh, just when I thought that no one can possibly make a kill board that is worse then the Battleclinic KB, the folks at BC prove me wrong. NPC losses? Why?

lol no more "I got a hulk kill!" without a loss of your own. Banging hulks which result in the loss of your ship but that loss isn't posted resulting in a high positive count zero lose. And cheer up, cause there are only a handful of idiots in the game that lose a lot of ships

1) Idiots using T1 industrials to move goods
2) Hulk Pilots
3) Kestrels with plex
4) Guys out fitting their Paladin with expensive officer guns
5) Hulk pilots

So there is nothing to worry about cause if you mission, incursion, warmhole, rat...you should not lose it often unless you faceroll your keyboard trying to pick the crumbs out between the keys with your tongue Shocked. AT worst, you lose like 1/5 of your KB value to CONCORD and still look good, cause hulks have crappy tanks.
MrCue
Alpha Quadrant Industries
#11 - 2012-03-22 18:45:28 UTC
Correct, part of the reason we wanted to add all killmails is that suicide ganks still result in loss mails, which people don't bother to post. We would like to show a more informed picture of what is happening.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#12 - 2012-03-22 18:54:38 UTC
Technical point: your killboard template has issues dealing with monitors with a horizontal resolution under 1500-ish. This is because of the width that your layout requires to display the killers, fit, and comments in 3 separate columns.

Link where this is happening: http://ep33n.com/mail/22845745

Use this to test it out to see how much space it takes: http://browsersize.googlelabs.com/. The percentages might be out of date, but I doubt by very much.

According to the w3 stats for all web browsers found here your site could be unsupported for as many as 40-50 percent of your visitors.

I like your killboard and all, but I am likely to not use it if it doesn't work properly on my secondary 1280x1024 monitor (my primary one is 1920x1080, but it runs Eve).

Good luck with development!

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
MrCue
Alpha Quadrant Industries
#13 - 2012-03-22 19:31:22 UTC
The centre area of the site is 1280px, so unless you have bookmarks etc down once side of your browser, then your shouldn't really have much trouble displaying it.
Looking at our own stats, most browsers we have are 1680+, which is not unexpected for a gaming site.

We can make the comments column a little narrower, and perhaps squeeze a hundred or so pixels off, but making it any narrower would mean shifting to a 2 column layout, and moving the comments out of view.

The main aim was to minimize scrolling in any direction, although obviously with longer mails, there's not much we can do to prevent the vertical scrolling.

But, please, keep the constructive feedback coming, we will be working on improving the site and its features over the coming weeks, and we are reading everything constructive you guys write.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#14 - 2012-03-22 19:51:43 UTC
MrCue wrote:
The centre area of the site is 1280px, so unless you have bookmarks etc down once side of your browser, then your shouldn't really have much trouble displaying it.
Looking at our own stats, most browsers we have are 1680+, which is not unexpected for a gaming site.

We can make the comments column a little narrower, and perhaps squeeze a hundred or so pixels off, but making it any narrower would mean shifting to a 2 column layout, and moving the comments out of view.

The main aim was to minimize scrolling in any direction, although obviously with longer mails, there's not much we can do to prevent the vertical scrolling.

But, please, keep the constructive feedback coming, we will be working on improving the site and its features over the coming weeks, and we are reading everything constructive you guys write.


Huh. You're right, it does take exactly 1280px, but for some reason it lets you scroll into a completely blank space. I guess I just have a bad snap reaction to horizontal scrolling on webpages.

Reference screenshots: http://imgur.com/a/WTC4i.

Browser: Google Chrome 17.0.963.79 m, on Windows 7 64-bit.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-03-22 20:21:54 UTC
Bubanni wrote:
Gnaw LF wrote:
Heh, just when I thought that no one can possibly make a kill board that is worse then the Battleclinic KB, the folks at BC prove me wrong. NPC losses? Why?


a kill is a kill... regardless of who kills the kill

NPC losses are just as valid



No, player vs player kill is a kill. Everything else is a bunch of clutter. Who cares if a ship is lost to NPCs? It adds nothing to the game, provides no tangible information and skews the statistics.
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-03-22 20:23:56 UTC
Aqriue wrote:
Gnaw LF wrote:
Heh, just when I thought that no one can possibly make a kill board that is worse then the Battleclinic KB, the folks at BC prove me wrong. NPC losses? Why?

lol no more "I got a hulk kill!" without a loss of your own. Banging hulks which result in the loss of your ship but that loss isn't posted resulting in a high positive count zero lose. And cheer up, cause there are only a handful of idiots in the game that lose a lot of ships

1) Idiots using T1 industrials to move goods
2) Hulk Pilots
3) Kestrels with plex
4) Guys out fitting their Paladin with expensive officer guns
5) Hulk pilots

So there is nothing to worry about cause if you mission, incursion, warmhole, rat...you should not lose it often unless you faceroll your keyboard trying to pick the crumbs out between the keys with your tongue Shocked. AT worst, you lose like 1/5 of your KB value to CONCORD and still look good, cause hulks have crappy tanks.



Read my statement again, I said nothing about CONCORD. CONCORD death is a valid stat to track, but how is tracking the losses on ships in L4 missions or null sec complexes is going to add anything worthwhile to the game experience? Those are NPC deaths and this KB tracks them.
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-03-22 20:27:02 UTC
MrCue wrote:
Correct, part of the reason we wanted to add all killmails is that suicide ganks still result in loss mails, which people don't bother to post. We would like to show a more informed picture of what is happening.



Then you need to add some parsing so that your killboard can separate CONCORD kills to NPC kills.
Explain to me why you want to track these sort of kills: http://ep33n.com/mail/22914366
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#18 - 2012-03-22 20:28:07 UTC
Gnaw LF wrote:
Read my statement again, I said nothing about CONCORD. CONCORD death is a valid stat to track, but how is tracking the losses on ships in L4 missions or null sec complexes is going to add anything worthwhile to the game experience? Those are NPC deaths and this KB tracks them.


It shows how terrible you are at PvE

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#19 - 2012-03-22 20:30:40 UTC
Another bit of constructive feedback:

1. Please include a mouseover popup of the name of the module that you moused over on the "fit" panel. Scrolling down to see what meta those guns were is a pain.

2. Please display the ammo/charges on the fitting pane, not just on the fitting listing.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#20 - 2012-03-22 20:34:52 UTC
I know it sounds like a good idea to post losses to NPC's but I can almost bet you will lose traffic to EVE-Kill or other KB's if you go this route.

No one wants to have half of EVE laughing and pointing at their dumb mistakes like losing ratting carriers to NPC's while AFK or losing blinged out mission boats to high sec missions. While of course it would be funny and sounds like a nice advertising line. you are gonna end up with a lot less players adding their API's to Battleclinic.

just 2 cents.
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