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Standings Driving Me Nuts!
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T'Pawhl
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-03-21 23:07:36 UTC
Just a quick question. I tried looking it up myself but find conflicting/vague information on it:

If I do regular missions for Amarr, but I do not accept missions that require offensive action against Gallente/Minmatar, do my Gallente/Minmatar Faction Standings go down?

If I do storyline missions for Amarr, but do not accept missions that require offensive action against Gallente/Minmatar, do my Gallente/Minmatar Faction Standings go down?

If I do tutorial missions for Gallente/Minmatar to improve Faction Standings, do my Faction Standings with Amarr go down?

Thanks for the help guys.
Mr Chili Palmer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-03-21 23:10:30 UTC
now i am just a noob so don't take this as gospel, the way i see it is if you do Distribution missions they do not effect your standing with other factions, if you do security ones they will have some effect.

"If at first you don't succeed, remove all evidence you ever tried"

"If your boss is getting you down, look at him through the prongs of a fork and imagine him in jail"
Fango Mango
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-03-21 23:26:29 UTC
Accepting/completing regular missions will have ZERO effect on faction standing.

Blowing up ships from a faction will decrease your standing with them.

Example:
Character Fango Mango accepts a mission against the caladri from the Federation Navy Corp
My Friend Bob Mango fleets up with me and blows up all the ships
Fango Mango then turns in the mission but does not share the reward

Fango Mango gains standing with Federation Navy Corp
Bob Mango losses standing with Caldari Faction.


STORYLINE missions increase the standing with the faction that offers the mission.
It will also increase your standing with allies of that faction (up to a point)
It will also decrease your standing with enemies of the faction (down to a point)

see this link for more info about inter-faction standing
http://www.newedenlibrary.net/eon/faction_standings.shtml
T'Pawhl
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-03-21 23:30:45 UTC
Quote:
STORYLINE missions increase the standing with the faction that offers the mission.
It will also increase your standing with allies of that faction (up to a point)
It will also decrease your standing with enemies of the faction (down to a point)


So all storyline missions, even those courier/mining ones, will decrease standings with the opposing faction?
Ank Parkor
WildSpace Otters
#5 - 2012-03-21 23:51:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Ank Parkor
Yes, the same for tutorials missions. And the same for the data centers agents. Everything that increases faction standing in fact.

The good point is that the increase is higher than the decrease.

If you make a storyline for Amarr then another one for Gallente, the overall standings for the 2 factions will be higher than before theses missions (the same goes also for Min and Caldari).

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T'Pawhl
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-03-21 23:53:30 UTC
Ank Parkor wrote:
Yes, the same for tutorials missions. And the same for the data centers agents. Everything that increases faction standing in fact.

The good point is that the increase is higher than the decrease.

If you make a storyline for Amarr then another one for Gallente, the overall standings for the 2 factions will be higher than before theses missions (the same goes also for Min and Caldari).


Okay so basically it's a balancing act. But if I operate mainly in Amarr/Caldari, really I only need to maintain neutral standings with Gallente and Minmatar.
Ank Parkor
WildSpace Otters
#7 - 2012-03-22 00:04:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Ank Parkor
All you need is an effective standing above -5.0 for all factions to travel safely.
When under -5.0 you are a target for the military forces of this faction.
This happened to me and I learned by the hard way.

But with diplomacy III-IV it will be easy to maintain a such level as long as you decline some anti faction missions.

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Fango Mango
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-03-22 00:54:37 UTC
T'Pawhl wrote:
Ank Parkor wrote:
Yes, the same for tutorials missions. And the same for the data centers agents. Everything that increases faction standing in fact.

The good point is that the increase is higher than the decrease.

If you make a storyline for Amarr then another one for Gallente, the overall standings for the 2 factions will be higher than before theses missions (the same goes also for Min and Caldari).


Okay so basically it's a balancing act. But if I operate mainly in Amarr/Caldari, really I only need to maintain neutral standings with Gallente and Minmatar.


If you run both Amarr and Caldari storylines your standing with gallente and Minmatar will eventually drop to -5 (unmodified), but will drop no lower.

With diplomacy 5 your modified standing will be -2. NOT good enough to run missions for gallente / minmatar but good enough to not get shot at. If you run a single level 1 storyline or training mission it will raise your standing enough to missions for gallente/minmatar again if you choose.

-FM
Ajita al Tchar
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-03-22 01:11:08 UTC
Also, Epic Arc missions give you faction standings increases with no derived increases or decreases. That is, if you run the Gallente Epic Arc, you'll gain like 10% faction standing toward Gallente and your faction standing toward anyone else won't change at all.

You can run those every 3 months and you don't even necessarily need high faction standings to do them, just grind up the necessary standing with whichever corp it is that offers you the first Epic Arc mission.

http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReportsEpicArc
Fynen
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-03-22 04:03:29 UTC
Also, if you now think to balance the faction standing to remain in positive numbers with all: That gets increasingly difficult with higher standings.

The percent standing changes you get are counted by the remaining standing to be lost or gained. If you have a standing of 1.0 and you get 30% increase, you get (10-1)*0.3 Standing Total added to what you already have. 30% of the remaining 9 standing you can possibly get. On the other hand, if you loose 10% standing that goes (10+1)*0.1 Standing Total since you can possibly have a negative Standing of -10 and from 1 down to -10 its 11. 10% of 11 is 1.1. You can see how that will get difficult to balance later on.

Best to pick a faction and stick to it and the corresponding ally, i.e. Gallente+Minmatar vs. Caldari+Amarr. Or perhaps a pirate faction? ;)
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#11 - 2012-03-22 05:14:51 UTC
I have an alt that has >9 standing with Caldari Navy, but he doesn't have any standing with Caldari, as he has never completed a storyline. He's also never accepted a player faction mission, so the only factions that dislike him are pirate factions.

I do missions for Caldari and Amarr, so the Gallente and Minmatar are not fond of me. I especially like to do the Caldari epic arc Penumbra which makes me shoot at Gallente. I do storyline missions, but I decline all player faction missions and storylines. To keep the Gallente and Minmatar from shooting me on sight, I do storylines for Sisters of EVE, which raises Gallente and Minmatar without hurting Amarr and Caldari a significant amount.

If you only do storylines, and never accept player faction missions or storylines, then you will never drop below -5.0 standing.