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CCP fix this exploit immediately!!
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Cloora
APEX Unlimited
APEX Conglomerate
#1 - 2012-03-21 22:27:38 UTC
Even though it has been in the game at least as long as me, it has now cost people some very expensive killmails. PL lost two super carrier killmails because of Self Destructing while being aggressed. Denying killmails is an unintended effect of using self destruct. I too lost an expensive Tengu killmail to this exploit.

Anyone doing this should be banned immediately.

http://www.altaholics.blogspot.com
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2012-03-21 22:29:56 UTC
Self-destructing your ship isn't a exploit. It is the denying you the e-peen that you are so mad about.

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Cloora
APEX Unlimited
APEX Conglomerate
#3 - 2012-03-21 22:32:00 UTC
Over your head

http://www.altaholics.blogspot.com
Borun Tal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-03-21 22:33:51 UTC
Cloora wrote:
Even though it has been in the game at least as long as me, it has now cost people some very expensive killmails. PL lost two super carrier killmails because of Self Destructing while being aggressed. Denying killmails is an unintended effect of using self destruct. I too lost an expensive Tengu killmail to this exploit.

Anyone doing this should be banned immediately.


You're whining because you didn't get a killmail? Really? Seriously?

WOW is that way... ---->
Nazzer Dawk
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-03-21 22:34:18 UTC
Cloora wrote:
Over your head

I understand this may be over her head, and it's CERTAINLY over mine, but you can maybe explain to her what the difference is? it isn't just for her benefit, but the benefit of everyone who isn't quite sure.
Jita Alt666
#6 - 2012-03-21 22:35:18 UTC
So how do the logs show that an individual self destructed to deny another player or group of players a killmail?
Leemi Sobo
#7 - 2012-03-21 22:38:03 UTC
the pilot was probably dying due to the boredom while watching you trying to break his tank and decided to speed things up a little ... you don't deserve a killmail for that P
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#8 - 2012-03-21 22:40:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Alpheias
Cloora wrote:
Over your head


Not really. If I am locked down and I am going down regardless, I might as well hit the self-destruct and deny you that KM that you so desperately crave.

Why? Because I can and it results in deliciously angry threads like this one.

edit: Oh, and it adds this lovely layer of drama to it. You pewpew my serious internet spaceship, I have a sip of my tea and continue to roll my thumbs as the clock tick-tocks ever so slightly closer to that two minute mark.

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Tobiaz
Spacerats
#9 - 2012-03-21 22:43:41 UTC
Killmails are the ONLY things that matter. How can people not get that?!

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#10 - 2012-03-21 22:48:51 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Self-destructing your ship isn't a exploit. It is the denying you the e-peen that you are so mad about.

This ^

Tears come in many flavors. None are bad imho. Also: Valid tactic destroys loot. It's more of a "move" than an "exploit" in my humble view.

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Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-03-21 22:49:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Buzzmong
To make things clear for certain people:

OP is taking the mick because some people have really been crying (again) about being denied KM's due to self destruct, mostly due to their misguided view that just because they've locked something down they should be granted the spoils.

Unfortunately sarcasm doesn't always come out well in text unless you really emphasise it.
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-03-21 22:52:14 UTC
Cloora wrote:
Butthurt Oops


Its 2 minutes long for a reason, so you can deny the guy trying to self destruct (would be fricken awesome it was instant with no visible timer...wait until deep structure and OMG! the rage would lite up local Twisted). Which means, you had crap DPS to crack his tank. Consider it like ganking a hulk; 15 seconds before CONCORD self destructs your ship (since you opened fire with the intent to lose it, its like SD with NPC assistance) = 120 seconds before it goes POOF! by the hand of the pilot driving the cap ship. So....bring more damage to meet the deadline needed to score that killmail and you are golden, bring more whine and you are still a loser who can't adapt to win.
Borun Tal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-03-21 22:53:06 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
Cloora wrote:
Over your head


Not really. If I am locked down and I am going down regardless, I might as well hit the self-destruct and deny you that KM that you so desperately crave.

Why? Because I can and it results in deliciously angry threads like this one.

edit: Oh, and it adds this lovely layer of drama to it. You pewpew my serious internet spaceship, I have a sip of my tea and continue to roll my thumbs as the clock tick-tocks ever so slightly closer to that two minute mark.


This, +1. And then some. :) Dare I say OP's tears just made my day? Twisted
Radelix Cisko
JUMP DRIVE ACTIVE
#14 - 2012-03-21 23:06:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Radelix Cisko
There is rage in this thread.

Edit: I would consider SD'ing a valid tactic as it prevents the enemy from getting at your goodies. And no KM since you did not crack the ship to get at the gooey center.

Despite my posting prowess I really am terrible at this game
Cloora
APEX Unlimited
APEX Conglomerate
#15 - 2012-03-21 23:08:38 UTC
No I am drawing a parallel between this and the webbing JF "exploit". If webbing a JF sticking it in a warping state is an exploit then this SURELY is. Killing supcaps takes a long time. Unless you bring a blob of supers and isn't that what goons are complaining about?

http://www.altaholics.blogspot.com
Cloora
APEX Unlimited
APEX Conglomerate
#16 - 2012-03-21 23:10:03 UTC
Yeah my tears are greatly exaggerated. You guys just failed at seeing the analogy.

http://www.altaholics.blogspot.com
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#17 - 2012-03-21 23:13:56 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Self-destructing your ship isn't a exploit. It is the denying you the e-peen that you are so mad about.

This ^

Tears come in many flavors. None are bad imho. Also: Valid tactic destroys loot. It's more of a "move" than an "exploit" in my humble view.

They've gotta make sure their new officer sensor boosters don't drop for just anyone.

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THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#18 - 2012-03-21 23:14:05 UTC
I heard you can make Supplemental KB's now to show how it would have gone down.

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
Cloora
APEX Unlimited
APEX Conglomerate
#19 - 2012-03-21 23:18:30 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Self-destructing your ship isn't a exploit. It is the denying you the e-peen that you are so mad about.

This ^

Tears come in many flavors. None are bad imho. Also: Valid tactic destroys loot. It's more of a "move" than an "exploit" in my humble view.

They've gotta make sure their new officer sensor boosters don't drop for just anyone.



Oh but if Goons were denyed the KM and the loot it matters all of a sudden? Just like losing a JF full of Zydrine and Megacyte to webbing Vindis only matter if Goons lose it? This is T20 all over again...

http://www.altaholics.blogspot.com
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#20 - 2012-03-21 23:35:14 UTC
Cloora wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Self-destructing your ship isn't a exploit. It is the denying you the e-peen that you are so mad about.

This ^

Tears come in many flavors. None are bad imho. Also: Valid tactic destroys loot. It's more of a "move" than an "exploit" in my humble view.

They've gotta make sure their new officer sensor boosters don't drop for just anyone.



Oh but if Goons were denyed the KM and the loot it matters all of a sudden? Just like losing a JF full of Zydrine and Megacyte to webbing Vindis only matter if Goons lose it? This is T20 all over again...


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