EVE General Discussion

The top brass is busy with fan fest. I think the rest of CCP is just mad they have to work during fan fest

Perhaps if CCP do not want people to be able to make ISK passively in this manner then they should code their game correctly rather than claiming that non-activity = automation.

By this logic anyone logged in and doing nothing is also using automation, which is clearly a stupid conclusion.

I thought BOT perma bans are only on the third strike now? Either they are not or the OP is leaving out the prior offences by the accounts. If the account holder has botted in the past before I'm glad to see him go

This is the same stance I have toward the topic atm. I am curious to know if this is in fact bannable behavior. Or if the op is leaving out prior offense etc.

seem to remember more then one thread where a "friend"posted claiming someone was banned for no reason only to have CCP come out and post a clear "no we banned you for.. this this and this.. all illegal in the game.. have a nice day"

soooo.. not saying you are not honest well yes i probably am. :)

IF this is what really happened, then I can confidently say "Those GMs are ****".

Also:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Exploit_notifications
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Customer_Support_Announcements
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=117249#post117249

GMs, in case you care, here's some perspective, provided the OP is being truthful about the circumstances.

A whole lot of people who fly Domis for high sec PvE do so because it's a pretty chill, low-effort albeit it not terribly ISK efficient way to run L4 missions. This, in fact, is one of the main selling points for L4 runners for both the Dominix and the Rattlesnake. Get aggro, launch drones, enjoy the results. This method already has a drawback: the DPS of drones alone is not on the same level with most other popular L4 battleships, so the person who utilizes this technique is getting less ISK/hr than less AFK boats; effort-reward. I mission in a Dominix and while I'm not entirely AFK the whole time, I don't always look at my screen if I know my drones are safe, and can do other things in game or out of game (missions are boring anyway). Tradeoffs.

Now, knowing that about the Dominix, and knowing how popular and widely accepted the practice of "AFK'ing" missions via drones is, does it seem like too much of a stretch to apply the same method to farming other PvE encounters? Not at all. It's not like there's an frequently repeated message out there: "don't AFK any PvE that's not missions in a drone ship". I've never heard this, personally. Think, for example, how often the message about can baiting in starter systems being an exploit is repeated (to the point of being corrupted into incorrect information, but the right thing is still repeated, and the change due to overuse and "broken telephones"/crap reading comprehension is just a sign of how frequently this is stressed!). Now think, how popular is the Dominix as a PvE boat? Now, how often is the message of not AFK'ing COSMOS or whatever sites in a Dominix brought up? Where is it listed in the exploits list above, for one? Why is it not readily available via the forums on account of being discussed, and often? It's not available through either source because it's something most people don't know about since IF it's ever been deemed an exploit, it's been long buried.

Again, this brings up the issue of having a BETTER list of bannable offenses, including stupid **** like the apparent prohibition on AFK'ing high sec PvE in an AFKdronemobile.

Better yet, don't punish people because EVE's NPCs are even more ******** than drones, and because most PvE in EVE is bad and so predictable/memorized by virtue of hardly ever changing that AFK'ing is about the same as AFK'ing high sec mining, except with far lesser risks of getting popped. AFK'ing =/= botting, does this even need to be said? And if you want people to not do something, make it clear to them that such and such actions are not okay. Players may come off as scamming bastards, but GMs often come off as ignorant people who can't bother to Google or play the game, or step back and gain some perspective.

You cant discuss bans on the forums
Best bet escalate it to a GM

certainly. if the character has had previous offences then all is fair and one less botter in eve. This I applude, embrace and encourage! It can be that the OP decided to switch to this type of "exploit" after getting warnings for other sins. If so, then you got what you got for your sins!

It is very rare that people who come to the forums are telling the truth about these topics. 99% of the time, it's a bunch of botters and RMTers trying to make it harder for CCP to clear out the bots. The best way to handle this is to petition and escalate.

AFAIK, CCP does *NOT* ignore petitions from people who escalate them. They only ignore petitions from people if they spam the petition queue.

File *one* petition, and if you are unhappy with the GM response, escalate it until it is resolved (or until you escalate to the top). If a GM is abusing their position, then send an email to Internal Affairs.

I have found that CCP is much more likely to listen to you if you are polite about it and understanding.

could be seen as an abuse of in game mechanic. but other then that i see no issue. however, if bots get 3 strikes then perma ban then you should have that immunity as well.