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Banned by GM for RRing sentry drones. Dev verdict required

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Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#21 - 2012-03-21 19:06:48 UTC
Mai Khumm wrote:
I don't see how this is a banable offense...

You either indirectly pissed off a dev or 2.
Or someone reported you and thought you were macroing.


This might be the case. After all, leaving a ship to RR sentries sitting there killing any npc rat that comes along will seem like automation to those passing by the belts.

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Postradamus
Asstronauts
#22 - 2012-03-21 19:10:56 UTC
Arec Bardwin wrote:
I saw variations on this years ago in certain COSMOS plexes. Does this mean leaving a Domi afk in a mission room is a bannable offense now?


Sure looks that way. My mates found places where rats spawned that were slow enough to die to sentries yet weak enough to not break a minimal local tank OR the RR on the drones.

They caught bans across every account associated with their email address. I think 8 accounts total. Some of those accounts they were planning on combining; guess that isn't going to happen now.
Arec Bardwin
#23 - 2012-03-21 19:11:46 UTC
Henry Haphorn wrote:
leaving a ship to RR sentries sitting there killing any npc rat that comes along will seem like automation to those passing by the belts.

It is automation. The automated behavior of drones/sentries; which is an in game feature.
Postradamus
Asstronauts
#24 - 2012-03-21 19:13:09 UTC
Henry Haphorn wrote:
Mai Khumm wrote:
I don't see how this is a banable offense...

You either indirectly pissed off a dev or 2.
Or someone reported you and thought you were macroing.


This might be the case. After all, leaving a ship to RR sentries sitting there killing any npc rat that comes along will seem like automation to those passing by the belts.


I totally agree. But the GMs are supposed to have EVIDENCE before the ban is handed down. I KNOW these guys aren't using macros. The whole point was to NOT use macros!

Either this was a lazy GM, or there is a policy that is not being articulated. If it's the latter, all I'm asking for is a clear ruling. If it's the former, I'd like my mates' bans overturned.
Vetorept Fera
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-03-21 19:14:47 UTC
Where in highsec do rats spawn frequently enough, over and over to make this worthwile? Question

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MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#26 - 2012-03-21 19:16:50 UTC  |  Edited by: MadMuppet
So you go get a mining mission and sit in it all day while rats spawn in it with something like this? I wonder if you tractor in the wrecks if they (GMs) would leave you alone.

EDIT: Math fail. Would need to use Micro transfers to keep up the tank.

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Arec Bardwin
#27 - 2012-03-21 19:17:11 UTC
Vetorept Fera wrote:
Where in highsec do rats spawn frequently enough, over and over to make this worthwile? Question

Certain COSMOS plexes come to mind.
Adunh Slavy
#28 - 2012-03-21 19:17:50 UTC
Reading the thread and some old reports from way back around the time T2 BPCs and invention was introduced ... if this happened in a COSMOS site, then this exact thing has been banned before. If it was some mission, then I don't see why it would be an issue, mission can only spit out so much, cosmos does it 24/7.

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malaire
#29 - 2012-03-21 19:17:58 UTC
If you can't escalate petition. then contact Internal affairs via email.

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Zleon Leigh
#30 - 2012-03-21 19:20:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Zleon Leigh
Sounds like a great idea as written. GM's need to get on Sisi and actually see if what has been written works - do something instead of just deny and condem.

I had a case where GM's vehemently denied that there was a game problem, went through two GM's and an escalation - they stood their ground denying it. Needless to say I was pissed. I finally remembered a fact about the situation that proved to them that their position was totally without defense, that I was telling the factual truth the whole time. They capitulated and reimbursed me - lacking only an apology for either being too lazy or incompetent to really investigate the problem.

The GM's are so stuck in "all the players are out to scam us" mode that they can't see the truth that the game is full of holes and bugs that the customers are getting trapped in. Thus - no faith or goodwill to CCP at all.

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#31 - 2012-03-21 19:21:17 UTC
malaire wrote:
If you can't escalate petition. then contact Internal affairs via email.


Also, if/when you do, I'd be interested in the final verdict.
Postradamus
Asstronauts
#32 - 2012-03-21 19:23:46 UTC
Sirinda wrote:
malaire wrote:
If you can't escalate petition. then contact Internal affairs via email.


Also, if/when you do, I'd be interested in the final verdict.


I'm going to point them in this direction right now. I will post the results.
Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#33 - 2012-03-21 19:24:49 UTC
Postradamus wrote:
Henry Haphorn wrote:
Mai Khumm wrote:
I don't see how this is a banable offense...

You either indirectly pissed off a dev or 2.
Or someone reported you and thought you were macroing.


This might be the case. After all, leaving a ship to RR sentries sitting there killing any npc rat that comes along will seem like automation to those passing by the belts.


I totally agree. But the GMs are supposed to have EVIDENCE before the ban is handed down. I KNOW these guys aren't using macros. The whole point was to NOT use macros!

Either this was a lazy GM, or there is a policy that is not being articulated. If it's the latter, all I'm asking for is a clear ruling. If it's the former, I'd like my mates' bans overturned.


Sadly the EULA essentually says "**** you, we can ban you for breathing."
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#34 - 2012-03-21 19:36:09 UTC
Hi, I'm with the ISD. I'm locking this thread for reasons completely unclear to myself.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#35 - 2012-03-21 19:37:57 UTC
Zleon Leigh wrote:

The GM's are so stuck in "all the players are out to scam us" mode ...


Well...duh.

That's because the players are.

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Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#36 - 2012-03-21 19:45:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Mai Khumm
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
Hi, I'm with the ISD. I'm locking this thread for reasons completely unclear to myself.

InB4 ISD locks constructive and legitimate thread...
Sirinda
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#37 - 2012-03-21 19:50:35 UTC
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
Hi, I'm with the ISD. I'm locking this thread for reasons completely unclear to myself.


Made me chuckle for reasons completely unclear to myself. Twisted
Andski
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Caldari State
#38 - 2012-03-21 19:56:53 UTC
you're AFKing a drone boat in a highsec belt to kill frigate rats

you should be banned for taking up space

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#39 - 2012-03-21 20:05:21 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Actually, that sounds like a great idea. Using a dominix with 5 medium reppers and 5 sentry drones. I've had trouble with the whole drones getting aggro, but this makes everything much simpler!

It does sound like a good idea doesn't it? not so great against little gnat rats though I would guess. Put the domis far enough apart and it would be ok I suppose.

Well I live in nullsec so there are battleship rats (not a problem) and cruiser rats (these can really damage sentry drones due to size considerations).

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#40 - 2012-03-21 20:17:06 UTC
What is wrong with CCP this week. They are acting like complete tools.

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