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New to EVE, and I'll tell you what attracted me to it,. HINT: it wasn't the spaceships.
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Nazzer Dawk
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-03-21 01:10:54 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:


None that I know of. But then, EVE isn't there yet either so he actually makes a good point. And creating another forum thread on the same topic, diluting the value of the thread dedicated to it is not helping.


I actually did try searching some to try to find a topic on this. But the problem is that I had no clue what search terms to use. I didn't know the "WiS" acronym until now, so I tried a few search strings first. They just weren't helpful.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-03-21 01:27:35 UTC
lol roleplayers

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#23 - 2012-03-21 01:33:12 UTC
I, too, enjoy signing up for games that don't have the gameplay I want so I can tell everyone on their forums how much better the game would be if they only changed it in a significant way that no one but me wants.
Nazzer Dawk
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-03-21 01:40:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Nazzer Dawk
KrakizBad wrote:
I, too, enjoy signing up for games that don't have the gameplay I want so I can tell everyone on their forums how much better the game would be if they only changed it in a significant way that no one but me wants.


Thank you for your insightful and accurate comment.

A+, would read again.


So, explain to me what is wrong with joining a game, liking it more than I first did because a feature was added, wishing it had more of this particular feature, and then talking about how much more I would like it if it had that feature expanded on?

And how do you justify the statement that "No one but me wants it", when clearly people both in this thread and in others say that they still want it?

I mean, it seems clear to me that you are the only one that DOESN'T want it. So, you should just leave this thread, since you are the only one that doesn't want this feature.

Ladie Harlot wrote:
lol roleplayers


lol its an mmoRPG
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#25 - 2012-03-21 01:48:04 UTC
Nazzer Dawk wrote:
Klown Walk wrote:
You are playing the wrong game.

What a useful and insightful comment.

If I want to play a game exactly like EVE in every way except that I have the option to walk around the inside of my ship if I want, what game do I choose?


And which game do I play, if I want the in-space PvP-oriented game I joined back in the day? Where combat pilots and industrialists in many ways had to cooperate, rather than being separated entities? Where people would stay and fight rather than run? Where a blob was five players? Where t1 frigates and cruisers were your standard fleet setup, even tho I'd have battleship 5, it just simply was too damn expensive to fly them.. etc.

TL;DR we don't always get what we want, and he's right you know, you're playing the wrong game. This game is about in-space combat, and even in-station PvPers (market, industrailists) would not have any game if it wasn't for the pilots out there.

WiS was presented back in the day as a social interaciton platform. Not a bling bling for newcomers who don't get the game.

AFK-cloaking in a system near you.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#26 - 2012-03-21 01:48:19 UTC
I've got 20% fired staff that says you're both wrong and stupid.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#27 - 2012-03-21 01:51:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Ocih
Nazzer Dawk wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
I, too, enjoy signing up for games that don't have the gameplay I want so I can tell everyone on their forums how much better the game would be if they only changed it in a significant way that no one but me wants.


Thank you for your insightful and accurate comment.

A+, would read again.


So, explain to me what is wrong with joining a game, liking it more than I first did because a feature was added, wishing it had more of this particular feature, and then talking about how much more I would like it if it had that feature expanded on?

And how do you justify the statement that "No one but me wants it", when clearly people both in this thread and in others say that they still want it?

I mean, it seems clear to me that you are the only one that DOESN'T want it. So, you should just leave this thread, since you are the only one that doesn't want this feature.

Ladie Harlot wrote:
lol roleplayers


lol its an mmoRPG


Ignore Goon Jr. He will try to derail your thread, given the chance.

WiS brings a new dimension to EVE that breaks the whole blow stuff up in space stigma and does damage to the Drake/ Maelstom, blob influence on development. They are skeerd.

nano edit: See? He is already at it with the personal attacks. Stupid, dumb, etc.
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#28 - 2012-03-21 02:01:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Roll Sizzle Beef
I can feel for the OP. *grope
However It is internet spaceships. While avatars are a nitch toy by pilot standards, the core of the game is still interacting with others. You have the average player that may only care about interaction to the extent of blowing up the beloved property of others and could care less about the individual you're are crushing.
Others would indeed like a personal relationship with those around them at a more base, almost human, level rather then bumping hulls. Also gives a sense of scale to the universe you play in relation to the avatar. I think many still love the idea of avatars, yet the initial introduction I think we all agree was a disaster that poisoned the idea of leaving ships to such an extent that some people use any WiS discussion to bash CCP and whoever else that liked the idea. Because "change" hurt their core game and wont give a chance on it again.
I think EVE should be unconstrained to such a trivial titles as "internet spaceships". It should be EVE the internet universe. Dieing and killing everywhere should be fun.
Jovan Geldon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-03-21 02:03:51 UTC
Congrats CCP, you found the one person who likes the Captain's Quarters, all your months of neglecting core gameplay to work on a small room with a TV and a locked door has been justified
Nazzer Dawk
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-03-21 02:10:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Nazzer Dawk
Misanth wrote:
Nazzer Dawk wrote:
Klown Walk wrote:
You are playing the wrong game.

What a useful and insightful comment.

If I want to play a game exactly like EVE in every way except that I have the option to walk around the inside of my ship if I want, what game do I choose?


And which game do I play, if I want the in-space PvP-oriented game I joined back in the day? Where combat pilots and industrialists in many ways had to cooperate, rather than being separated entities? Where people would stay and fight rather than run? Where a blob was five players? Where t1 frigates and cruisers were your standard fleet setup, even though I'd have battleship 5, it just simply was too damn expensive to fly them.. etc.

TL;DR we don't always get what we want, and he's right you know, you're playing the wrong game. This game is about in-space combat, and even in-station PvPers (market, industrailists) would not have any game if it wasn't for the pilots out there

WiS was presented back in the day as a social interaciton platform. Not a bling bling for newcomers who don't get the game.



You know the difference between my wish and yours? Yours would require fundamental changes to the game. Mine wouldn't.

If I had my way, everything that can be accomplished in the Avatar-based WiS environment could be accomplished outside of that environment. So why are you so upset that I want the feature? I want an avatar cantina, you could have a chatroom that integrated with the cantina.

So stop whining.


Jovan Geldon wrote:
Congrats CCP, you found the one person who likes the Captain's Quarters, all your months of neglecting core gameplay to work on a small room with a TV and a locked door has been justified


Well I think I misrepresented my opinion of it. Far from "Liking it", I found it to be an enjoyable distraction for a moment, and the possibility of seeing my character outside of a static portrait makes me feel a bit more like I'm playing a game with actual people rather than backyard spaceship toys, but it is clearly a unfinished prototype rather than a full feature as it was advertised. Walking up to that station door and getting that damned pop-up was a huge letdown.

I want walking in stations, not walking in a teeny prison cell.
Shogun Archer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-03-21 02:16:56 UTC
I don't know... I just kinda picture the OP sitting on his spaceship toilet inside his spaceship, relaxing, maybe reading some Reader's Digest...

Next thing you know, the ship alarm sounds, he scrambles to hop up from the potty. Reader's digest goes flying to the floor as he's frantically zipping up his space pants.

Next thing you know, all he sees is a raging ball of burning space poo and debris.

I think it would be cool.

If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror.
ivar R'dhak
Deus est Mechanicus
#32 - 2012-03-21 02:20:08 UTC  |  Edited by: ivar R'dhak
FRESSSH MEAT! Get him boys!
Ah, already on it, nvm then. Blink

Borun Tal wrote:
Why do people get so excited about the possibility of walking in a station when it's a game about spaceships, combat, and space-stuff? I don't get it...
Usually it´s not much of a problem for a male player to associate themselves WITH the ship, quasi becoming the ship.
Actually men usually do this every day in their cars. In EVE we´ve just moved on to spaceships.
In-fact it is part of the lore.
That´s the reason for the POD and matirx style plugs in the back.

Some men and the overwhelming number of females have a much harder time with it and usually don´t even bother.
That´s why they need space Barbie and Ken and why CCP made them Ken&Barbie so they can make more money.

To the OP, welcome (no seriously) to this game. Hope you find some fun.
And nevar trust a goon. Pirate
Nazzer Dawk
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-03-21 02:20:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Nazzer Dawk
Shogun Archer wrote:
I don't know... I just kinda picture the OP sitting on his spaceship toilet inside his spaceship, relaxing, maybe reading some Reader's Digest...

Next thing you know, the ship alarm sounds, he scrambles to hop up from the potty. Reader's digest goes flying to the floor as he's frantically zipping up his space pants.

Next thing you know, all he sees is a raging ball of burning space poo and debris.

I think it would be cool.

Even better is sitting in my spaceship toilet inside my spaceship while playing from a laptop while sitting on a toilet IRL. Then springing from my real toilet on accident.

ivar R'dhak wrote:
FRESSSH MEAT! Get him boys!
Ah, already on it, nvm then. Blink

Borun Tal wrote:
Why do people get so excited about the possibility of walking in a station when it's a game about spaceships, combat, and space-stuff? I don't get it...
Usually it´s not much of a problem for a male player to associate themselves WITH the ship.
Actually men usually do this every day in their cars. In EVE we´re just moved on to spaceships.
In-fact as part of the lore, that´s the reason for the POD and matirx style jacks in the back business.

Some men and the overwhelming number of females have a much harder time with it and usually don´t even bother.
That´s why they need space Barbie and Ken and why CCP made them Ken&Barbie so they can make more money.

To the OP, welcome (no seriously) to this game. Hope you find some fun.
And nevar trust a goon. Pirate



Thank you. It's good to see that there are people who can be respectful and welcoming. It's not like I'm blabbering incomprehensibly like a 12 year old or failed to do any kind of research on the game's history before joining.
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#34 - 2012-03-21 02:23:27 UTC
Nazzer Dawk wrote:
So stop whining.


Oh sorry, I thought this was the crybaby corner, I just wanted to be like everyone else

AFK-cloaking in a system near you.
Shogun Archer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-03-21 02:24:48 UTC
Nazzer Dawk wrote:
Shogun Archer wrote:
I don't know... I just kinda picture the OP sitting on his spaceship toilet inside his spaceship, relaxing, maybe reading some Reader's Digest...

Next thing you know, the ship alarm sounds, he scrambles to hop up from the potty. Reader's digest goes flying to the floor as he's frantically zipping up his space pants.

Next thing you know, all he sees is a raging ball of burning space poo and debris.

I think it would be cool.

Even better is sitting in my spaceship toilet inside my spaceship while playing from a laptop while sitting on a toilet IRL. Then springing from my real toilet on accident.



You know, there is that space game that has Star Fleet Dental in it. I'm not sure I'm allowed to mention other mmo's, so I will leave it at that.

But anyway, I don't really think you've even played Eve enough to understand it fully. I understand you saw it at a friend's house and have played a couple weeks now, but you're just gonna get crushed on these forums.

I've been playing on and off since 2007, and your suggestion is one of the last things this game needs if you ask me.

If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2012-03-21 02:26:34 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Ignore Goon Jr. He will try to derail your thread, given the chance.


Except it's not a derail. CCP tried catering to roleplayers and we got a single room that melts video cards, a ridiculous microtransaction store, and two years of Eve being ignored. After losing a ton of subscribers and having to lay off 20% of their employees CCP has finally gotten back on track and is focusing on Eve again. People asking them to stop are being dumb.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Nazzer Dawk
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-03-21 02:27:24 UTC
Misanth wrote:
Nazzer Dawk wrote:
So stop whining.


Oh sorry, I thought this was the crybaby corner, I just wanted to be like everyone else



Quote:
Not a bling bling for newcomers who don't get the game.


Clearly.

"You just don't get the game!"

This sort of defense is common on boards for long-running games (and films) with a cult following. Any criticism or suggestion that you don't agree with is automatically a person that doesn't' get the game.

Tell me, kind sir, what I don't get about the game. What do you perceive about my understanding of the game that you think doesn't reflect the game's purpose and design?
Azure Moonlight
Atomic Core Industries and Science
#38 - 2012-03-21 02:34:48 UTC
There was so much promised for WiS, I still want my Eve Online: Sims expansion. Hope CCP realizes the potential and doesnt back away, because their Incarna headstart was such a failure.

Yay 10 years! :D
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2012-03-21 02:36:14 UTC
Nazzer Dawk wrote:
Tell me, kind sir, what I don't get about the game. What do you perceive about my understanding of the game that you think doesn't reflect the game's purpose and design?


How about paying for a spaceship game when you can't live without some kind of human-shaped avatar?

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Nazzer Dawk
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-03-21 02:45:40 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Nazzer Dawk wrote:
Tell me, kind sir, what I don't get about the game. What do you perceive about my understanding of the game that you think doesn't reflect the game's purpose and design?


How about paying for a spaceship game when you can't live without some kind of human-shaped avatar

Because "Spaceship game" and "Human Avatar" are mutually exclusive?

Using that train of thought, justify to me the existence of the ingame Marketplace. Would you be upset if they removed that?