EVE General Discussion

It's just Grath. He's trying to be ~edgy~.

So if you make sure to align before hitting warp, you should be safe?

If you get webbed in the middle of aligning, you can just hit dock provided you haven't actually clicked warp yet, but if you have clicked warp, then you're dead, is that right?


Time to make a "if you warped you're dead" joke.

I didn't know ~elite pvp~ uses ECM, I think most vets even in the CFC don't use ECM (some like it of course), but it's week old newbies in blackbirds and month old ones in scorpions.

Ah, unless you meant the ECM drones, since drakes can carry 5 light ones you can see quite a lot of those flying about. Do the pvp tengus they use carry drones too?

Did you hear about the time I - hey, listen.

I should make sure to make instant undocks. Normally I wouldn't undock a ship with ~expensive stuff~ if there were enemies around but an instant undock might help if I need to get out of a station and into a fleet forming up.

this. i mean srsly. bumping, decloaking, mwd warp, webbing to warp are not exploits they are EMERGENT. perfectly valid tactics. an exploit, by my definition, is one in which the plaintif has no recourse. aligning before you warp to avoid death and disaster is akin to taking the handbrake off before you floor the accelerator.

srsly ccp. stop being massive bloody wimps!

not an exploit. fix cancel warp.

the mechanic that is being "exploited here" has been in the game since it's inception.

in 2003 you could fit 4 mwd to a typhoon, fill the lows with power diags to make your capacitor large enough to fire them all in rapid succession.

the result would be that you accellerated to speeds faster than the, then 1au for all ships, warp speed.

it would take several minutes for you to coast down to a speed where you could once again manuever your ship.

in this case, instead of boosting your actual velocity to such an extreme, the webbifiers are lowering your 'maximum potential velocity" down to an extreme.


The question here is whether or not it should be considered an exploit.


the webbifier is reducing maximum velocity of a ship -- that's an intended mechanic.

This ship becomes unmanueverable when it's actual velocity is higher than it's "maximum" velocity -- another intended mechanic.


While the result may not be "intended", the mechanics are. I say no exploit here, as no game mechanics are being subverted at all.

( not that it actually matters what I say or anything )


To top it off, it's completely avoidable.

after undock, stop your ship.
align your ship
warp

if at any time before you are aligned and ready to warp you get attacked, you are then able to simply dock your ship.

I love how CCP punish players for their mistakes...

There is an "entering warp" phase though, which is the time between the ship reaches the needed speed to enter warp and the time it's completly aligned and warps off. You can negate this by first aligning, and then pressing warp.

There's a lot more "quirks" to the whole process than simply the inability to cancel warp if you're above a certain speed, and I'd say the amount of ships being able to warp out while tackled as a result of this is at least a big an issue as people being killed by it.

I'm sure CCP had a reason for making it so ships can't cancel warp when they're above a certain speed, so I don't think that's the issue here. The issue is that speed being manipulated by heavy webbing to make it possible to trap people in that state. And although this has been around forever, as it's now deemed an exploit this is the exact set of circumstance CCP needs to fix. And making it so webs don't affect the maximum speed at which you can cancel warp would fix this, without breaking anything else.

Have you ever tried mass undocking dreads and warping somewhere requireing the dreads to turn around? When they bump into eachother they'll go fast enough that they can't cancel warp for ages until they've slowed down, webbed or not (webs make it worse though). This is how it's allways been, it's accepted as part of the game and so far at least the CCP have said that's how it's supposed to be.

The issue with the webs is that all someone had to do was tripple web you with 90% webs and keep you going faster than 2m/s. They wouldn't need to bump you off station, they can just kill you while you sit there unable to do anything. Personally, I think this is a valid mechanic, but as the devs have said it's an exploit there's little point in arguing for it now.


And as far as ejecting/selfdestructing goes; ejecting wouldn't really help you out much at all. Self destruction is probably the single most broken mechanic in the game, and I can only hope it's deemed an exploit at some point (it should be a way for you to destroy your own ship when trapped or unable to return home, not a "cowards way out" when you're about to be killed in combat).

So, to be clear, I now have to ask people if they've tried to initiate warp before I tackle/web them?

Clearly not being able to cancel warp is a (very old) bug, but surely the short term "fix" is to inform people of the issue, and encourage them to be non-******** when it comes to travelling , while CCP (hopefully) fix it properly. Most freighter pilots already abuse webs to their benefit in low/null, so I don't really think they have much scope to get space mad.

Predicting lots of spurious petitions from anyone who dies, regardless of what actually happened.