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Dear CCP , regarding: web "exploit".
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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-03-20 15:34:41 UTC
bitters much wrote:
For that you need to bring it to the market in your freighters 1st Lol


ahaha you think freighters are used to haul tech

scrub

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Dror Roidcrusher
Balls of Megacyte
#22 - 2012-03-20 15:34:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Dror Roidcrusher
Tippia wrote:
And no, the neut did not prevent you from warping — your lack of cap energy did.

No, if they can use the module in a way that inhibits warping, it must be a bug
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#23 - 2012-03-20 15:36:16 UTC
Dror Roidcrusher wrote:
Tippia wrote:
And no, the neut did not prevent you from warping — your lack of cap energy did.

No, if they can use the module in a way that inhibits warping, it must be a bug
Good thing, then, that nothing of the sort happened in your example, so there was no bug.
Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#24 - 2012-03-20 15:39:31 UTC
How does one petition a loss from 493 and 528 days ago? These losses do not show up under the 'reimbursement' drop-down menu, but were caused by this mechanic now deemed faulty.

i just locked an open door.. strange, yet symbolically compelling.
Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-03-20 15:49:43 UTC
Shouldn't have went after that goon jump freighter guys. Now look what you did!
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-03-20 15:58:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Marlona Sky wrote:
Shouldn't have went after that goon jump freighter guys. Now look what you did!


deemed an exploit less than an hour later

sup br0s

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Adunh Slavy
#27 - 2012-03-20 15:59:40 UTC
Yay, docking games. Isn't it about time CCP to not have blind session changes? It's so 1994.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#28 - 2012-03-20 15:59:40 UTC
Andski wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Shouldn't have went after that goon jump freighter guys. Now look what you did!


deemed an exploit less than an hour later

sup br0s

This'll do wonders for the conspiracy nuts.Smile
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#29 - 2012-03-20 16:07:28 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Where's the confusion?

If people are managing to use a webber (a module that in no way inhibits warping) in a way that makes it inhibit warping, then that is indeed the module not working as intended — a bug — and making use of such a bug is pretty much the most basic and fundamental definition of an “exploit”.


Which goes to show that what some of my mates call "***-warping" is not an exploit, as it uses no bugs...

...So those whiners ITT can just sit the **** down and shut the **** up!

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#30 - 2012-03-20 16:08:16 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Where's the confusion?

If people are managing to use a webber (a module that in no way inhibits warping) in a way that makes it inhibit warping, then that is indeed the module not working as intended — a bug — and making use of such a bug is pretty much the most basic and fundamental definition of an “exploit”.


It is not a bug, and it is not an exploit. The GM simply did not understand game mechanics well enough to comment.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-03-20 16:12:41 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
It is not a bug, and it is not an exploit. The GM simply did not understand game mechanics well enough to comment.

-Liang


yes go ahead and use this "mechanic" to kill jump freighters

i'm sure it'll end well for you

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#32 - 2012-03-20 16:13:48 UTC
Andski wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
It is not a bug, and it is not an exploit. The GM simply did not understand game mechanics well enough to comment.

-Liang


yes go ahead and use this "mechanic" to kill jump freighters

i'm sure it'll end well for you


I don't actually give a **** about jump freighters. The mechanic that is in question is a critical piece of *ALL* PVP involving webs.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-03-20 16:15:48 UTC
"abloobloobloo people play docking games this surely legitimizes my use of exploits in PvP"

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Xioden Acap
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-03-20 16:17:20 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Where's the confusion?

If people are managing to use a webber (a module that in no way inhibits warping) in a way that makes it inhibit warping, then that is indeed the module not working as intended — a bug — and making use of such a bug is pretty much the most basic and fundamental definition of an “exploit”.


It is not a bug, and it is not an exploit. The GM simply did not understand game mechanics well enough to comment.

-Liang


It is an exploit. It's possible to use them to get someone stuck entering warp, at which point they can not do ANYTHING. They can't warp, dock, eject, cancel warp, disconnect, etc. You get hit with it, you are locked up until you are dead.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-03-20 16:18:44 UTC
This is just ccp dumbing eve down another tiny notch.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Mr Blue
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#36 - 2012-03-20 16:22:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Blue
Xioden Acap wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Where's the confusion?

If people are managing to use a webber (a module that in no way inhibits warping) in a way that makes it inhibit warping, then that is indeed the module not working as intended — a bug — and making use of such a bug is pretty much the most basic and fundamental definition of an “exploit”.


It is not a bug, and it is not an exploit. The GM simply did not understand game mechanics well enough to comment.

-Liang


It is an exploit. It's possible to use them to get someone stuck entering warp, at which point they can not do ANYTHING. They can't warp, dock, eject, cancel warp, disconnect, etc. You get hit with it, you are locked up until you are dead.

Ive heard if you shoot people in high sec and concord rapes your ass your not able to do **** either before your dead. Its basic game mechanics and calling it a exploit is dumbing eve down. seriously....
I mean its as simple as .....align.......when aligned full speed, click warp. if a vindicator is mwding stright into you as soon as you undock , dont press warp.......

Now I know a lot of pubbies rather undock with their "unkillable" jf , from a station next to the high sec gate after cynoing in dock range on a station....beeing able to jerk off watching porn while plotting autopilot for jita, but is there too much to ask to let darwin sort out those few fellows that is unable to pay attetion for 10seconds before warping off?
Dez Affinity
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-03-20 16:22:55 UTC
It is an exploit and it only exists because of CCP trying to fix the MWD CLOAK WARP trick. Good job.

People have been abusing it for a long time, check Gank Bangers low-sec kills, a lot of those using this. Hundreds of jump freighters and freighters.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=corp_detail&view=kills&crp_id=81728&m=3&y=2012

It's crazy it took this long for you to do anything about it - also the change you did to fix mwd cloak warp is really annoying just in general gameplay, having to wait for my BS to slow down because I had to pulse my MWD. Oh the joy.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#38 - 2012-03-20 16:24:15 UTC
Andski wrote:
"abloobloobloo people play docking games this surely legitimizes my use of exploits in PvP"


I hear frigates tank station guns like a pro: http://kbarmy.heretic-army.biz/?a=pilot_detail&plt_ext_id=835925604&view=ships_weapons

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Dez Affinity
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-03-20 16:25:03 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
This is just ccp dumbing eve down another tiny notch.


Only way to counter it is to have an alt warp scramble you or jam the guy webbing you so you can cancel warp.
Bubanni
Corus Aerospace
#40 - 2012-03-20 16:26:35 UTC
It seems some people are misunderstanding whats going on here, and why it's suddenly an exploit thats been in the game for years...

The problem here is that when done correctly on a ship like a jump freighter... apparently the ship becomes unable to cancel warp with ctrl + space?

I think I might have experienced this myself a few times before, once where it was faction police, and another time when it was another player on a station (I simply relogged quick and docked, that seemed to fix it for me)

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