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NDAs, Minutes, and Mittens
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Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-09-10 06:18:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
I'd post the article here, but I think half of it would end being ******* asterisks.

NDAs, Minutes, and Other Stupid BS

My short, cussword ladened take on recent events.
Tengger
Doomheim
#2 - 2011-09-10 06:43:21 UTC
I went and read your blog like a good compatriot but all ya did was waste yet another 2 minutes of my short life dammit reading **** I have read in 10,000 places already!

Now I'm ussssssualy a nice gal so I am going to say this nicely.

Stop yer fn whining, grow up, get a life. gimme yer stuff. gtfo and SHUT THE DAMN DOOR. (NO door jokes either; pleaz!!!)

wtf you lookin' at? waddya expect, me naked in ascii?
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-09-10 06:46:23 UTC
Tengger wrote:
I went and read your blog like a good compatriot but all ya did was waste yet another 2 minutes of my short life dammit reading **** I have read in 10,000 places already!

The minutes stuff, sure. Nothing new there.

The NDA argument? I've not read that take on it anywhere. No competition = no real need for the NDA. Not this close to the Winter Expansion (aka EVE Online: Errata).
Tengger
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-09-10 06:53:15 UTC
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The NDA argument? I've not read that take on it anywhere

Nope. Quite correct. That is an entriely new way of looking at it.

It's not right, but it is new.

wtf you lookin' at? waddya expect, me naked in ascii?
El'Niaga
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-09-10 07:05:09 UTC
Actually that is the primary reason for NDAs to prevent your competitor from finding out what you plan to do.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-09-10 17:06:53 UTC
El'Niaga wrote:
Actually that is the primary reason for NDAs to prevent your competitor from finding out what you plan to do.

And it would make sense to have some strict NDAs if they had any competitors in the hardcore flying-in-space MMO niche.

Sure, you want to keep some things secret until you know you can deliver, but as the expansion release comes closer, and you can be more sure of what features are going to make it into the expansion, then there is little harm in releasing some info. There's only the upside of building some better relations with your customers (especially after spending most of the summer pissing them off.)
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#7 - 2011-09-10 17:23:10 UTC
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This is the exact same attitude all you Icelanders exhibited just before you bankrupted your country.


Should probably read one article about Icelands troubles before you make statements like this.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-09-10 17:27:55 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Quote:
This is the exact same attitude all you Icelanders exhibited just before you bankrupted your country.


Should probably read one article about Icelands troubles before you make statements like this.

I read two. Big smile
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#9 - 2011-09-10 17:44:32 UTC
I'm with you on The Mittani stance on everything including his stance on the WH Issue. That truly is some odd thinking on that one. Ugh

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#10 - 2011-09-10 17:52:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Bane Necran
Wow, i just wrote a giant thing detailing how the Icelandic economic crisis is the fault of international bankers, and all the right things Iceland is doing, just to have it erase itself when i hit "post". And yes, i tried going back a page, there was nothing there.

Happened earlier, too, but it was a shorter post i could remember pretty much word for word. Is CCP trying to force us into only making one sentence replies?

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Prince Kobol
#11 - 2011-09-10 17:57:11 UTC
I was going to post my thoughts were but I am afraid I cant because of NDA P
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2011-09-10 18:08:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
Bane Necran wrote:
Wow, i just wrote a giant thing detailing how the Icelandic economic crisis is the fault of international bankers, and all the right things Iceland is doing, just to have it erase itself when i hit "post". And yes, i tried going back a page, there was nothing there.

Happened earlier, too, but it was a shorter post i could remember pretty much word for word. Is CCP trying to force us into only making one sentence replies?

My comment wasn't to be taken super seriously.

But ...

There is a self-esteem issue in Iceland. Icelandic men want to be men. They want to be vikings. They want to be taken seriously on the world's stage. Thus, their bravado and over-confidence in international banking.

In the game world, CCP wants to take the next step from small game company. They see the Blizzards and EAs and Activisions, all of whom take a huge hands-off approach to their customer base. CCP sees this and decides, "Hmm, to be taken seriously as a serious player in the serious game market, we must emulate who we would like to be."

They see themselves as nearly into the big leagues. Console title! PS3! Vampires!

CCP should be showing the gaming world that one can operate cozied up with their players, and be successful. Emulation of the big companies is the wrong path to take. Why would CCP want to eschew everything that made their players love them in the first place?

Part of the reason people play this game is CCP itself. This game would have died long ago if it were not for how CCP interacts with its customer base. The game is good, but its not f-ing great. We stick around because we like CCP. That has been changing this summer though.
Riggs Droput
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2011-09-10 18:49:57 UTC
NDA's are not strictly to stop your competition from finding out about your secrets it is to protect time sensitive information that could affect your customers or your business.

I am under strict NDA at my work and it is not just due to the company secrets I have access to it also is to protect our bottom line and keep information away from investors that could cause them to panic. I cannot talk about stuff that happens at work that affect production or affect our product because that could cause a compromise in our bottom line.

With EVE being a single shard server and with a player run economy anything that they might be planning on changing in the future can and will effect the bottom line on the economy. If they were to come out and give specific info on the super nerfs super cap builders would have their bottom line affected. If they were to say that Ice was being removed from Hi-Sec I would dump a spare 5 Bil into Ice and hold it.

Yes the NDA is annoying but in the end it benefits us all keeping the playing field level the only players getting an upper hand on the future changes are the CSM's and possibly their corps/alliances if they are breaking the NDA.

Riggs

I would rather die on my feet, than live on my knees
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2011-09-10 18:53:50 UTC
El'Niaga wrote:
Actually that is the primary reason for NDAs to prevent your competitor from finding out what you plan to do.

NDAs are an important tool in expectation and media management as well.

Most closed betas have NDAs for that very reason, not to fool competitors about the nature of the AAA title in development.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-09-10 19:13:34 UTC
Riggs Droput wrote:
With EVE being a single shard server and with a player run economy anything that they might be planning on changing in the future can and will effect the bottom line on the economy. If they were to come out and give specific info on the super nerfs super cap builders would have their bottom line affected. If they were to say that Ice was being removed from Hi-Sec I would dump a spare 5 Bil into Ice and hold it.

Yes. I thought about that and was going to make a mid-sized post much longer, talking about it. What it comes down to I suppose, is whether you believe CCP thinks in those terms? I doubt that's the reason for the NDA, otherwise why give a bunch of ruthless 0.0 corps the recipe to make some easy money (since most of the CSM currently are ruthless 0.0 corps.)
Riggs Droput
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2011-09-10 19:28:31 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Riggs Droput wrote:
With EVE being a single shard server and with a player run economy anything that they might be planning on changing in the future can and will effect the bottom line on the economy. If they were to come out and give specific info on the super nerfs super cap builders would have their bottom line affected. If they were to say that Ice was being removed from Hi-Sec I would dump a spare 5 Bil into Ice and hold it.

Yes. I thought about that and was going to make a mid-sized post much longer, talking about it. What it comes down to I suppose, is whether you believe CCP thinks in those terms? I doubt that's the reason for the NDA, otherwise why give a bunch of ruthless 0.0 corps the recipe to make some easy money (since most of the CSM currently are ruthless 0.0 corps.)



My view on this is the fact that CCP log's everything. If for some reason they made a huge change that would give one alliance a large advantage over other alliances that do not have a CSM on the board all they would have to do is go back and go over trades made by characters in those alliances and look for large purchases of ice/caps/supercaps before they actually publicly announced it then proceed from there.

There are many ways that CCP can check on insider trading way more then there are in RL.

Riggs

I would rather die on my feet, than live on my knees
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2011-09-10 19:30:33 UTC
No, 'expending political capital' does not come from merely talking. Even the most politically-deaf spreadsheet-worshipping sperg-nerd should be able to understand that. Political capital is expended then you cut deals, or when you repeatedly persuade someone about a point, or when you put pressure on someone.

CSM6 hasn't even discussed ABC in low-class wormholes since May. We do not really care. Most of the 'discussion' is from folks who misinterpret what was said and freak out about it.

CSM6 has a general rule where the people who have experience with a topic are front-and-center on that topic. The guys with w-space experience handle wormholes (Two Step, Meissa and Trebor). The guys with null experience handle null stuff. Unless the w-space CSMs begin spearheading a w-space mineral nerf, it doesn't really matter what my opinions on w-space are. I could truly believe that w-space is inhabited by fuzzy pink bunnies and it wouldn't matter.

As an aside, I'd highly recommend that w-space folks vote for Two Step next election. He has a mastery of the topic and busts his ass on the CSM, he really shouldn't be exiled to 4th alt. Come the campaign I'll be plugging for him.

~hi~
Prince Kobol
#18 - 2011-09-10 19:30:43 UTC
Riggs Droput wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Riggs Droput wrote:
With EVE being a single shard server and with a player run economy anything that they might be planning on changing in the future can and will effect the bottom line on the economy. If they were to come out and give specific info on the super nerfs super cap builders would have their bottom line affected. If they were to say that Ice was being removed from Hi-Sec I would dump a spare 5 Bil into Ice and hold it.

Yes. I thought about that and was going to make a mid-sized post much longer, talking about it. What it comes down to I suppose, is whether you believe CCP thinks in those terms? I doubt that's the reason for the NDA, otherwise why give a bunch of ruthless 0.0 corps the recipe to make some easy money (since most of the CSM currently are ruthless 0.0 corps.)



My view on this is the fact that CCP log's everything. If for some reason they made a huge change that would give one alliance a large advantage over other alliances that do not have a CSM on the board all they would have to do is go back and go over trades made by characters in those alliances and look for large purchases of ice/caps/supercaps before they actually publicly announced it then proceed from there.

There are many ways that CCP can check on insider trading way more then there are in RL.

Riggs


What happens if they inform a friend in a different corp and alliance of any incoming changes?

There is no link between them in game so what happens then?
Riggs Droput
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2011-09-10 19:42:28 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Riggs Droput wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Riggs Droput wrote:
With EVE being a single shard server and with a player run economy anything that they might be planning on changing in the future can and will effect the bottom line on the economy. If they were to come out and give specific info on the super nerfs super cap builders would have their bottom line affected. If they were to say that Ice was being removed from Hi-Sec I would dump a spare 5 Bil into Ice and hold it.

Yes. I thought about that and was going to make a mid-sized post much longer, talking about it. What it comes down to I suppose, is whether you believe CCP thinks in those terms? I doubt that's the reason for the NDA, otherwise why give a bunch of ruthless 0.0 corps the recipe to make some easy money (since most of the CSM currently are ruthless 0.0 corps.)



My view on this is the fact that CCP log's everything. If for some reason they made a huge change that would give one alliance a large advantage over other alliances that do not have a CSM on the board all they would have to do is go back and go over trades made by characters in those alliances and look for large purchases of ice/caps/supercaps before they actually publicly announced it then proceed from there.

There are many ways that CCP can check on insider trading way more then there are in RL.

Riggs


What happens if they inform a friend in a different corp and alliance of any incoming changes?

There is no link between them in game so what happens then?


Nothing happens, but what happens in real life when people are doing insider trading dumping stock days before a know'n bad quarterly report. You cannot catch everyone, and you never will.

You will always have abuse when people in power have more information then the general public. Politicians, CEO's, Police, you have to live with it and deal with it to the best of your ability.

Riggs

I would rather die on my feet, than live on my knees
Prince Kobol
#20 - 2011-09-10 19:49:11 UTC
Riggs Droput wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Riggs Droput wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Riggs Droput wrote:
With EVE being a single shard server and with a player run economy anything that they might be planning on changing in the future can and will effect the bottom line on the economy. If they were to come out and give specific info on the super nerfs super cap builders would have their bottom line affected. If they were to say that Ice was being removed from Hi-Sec I would dump a spare 5 Bil into Ice and hold it.

Yes. I thought about that and was going to make a mid-sized post much longer, talking about it. What it comes down to I suppose, is whether you believe CCP thinks in those terms? I doubt that's the reason for the NDA, otherwise why give a bunch of ruthless 0.0 corps the recipe to make some easy money (since most of the CSM currently are ruthless 0.0 corps.)



My view on this is the fact that CCP log's everything. If for some reason they made a huge change that would give one alliance a large advantage over other alliances that do not have a CSM on the board all they would have to do is go back and go over trades made by characters in those alliances and look for large purchases of ice/caps/supercaps before they actually publicly announced it then proceed from there.

There are many ways that CCP can check on insider trading way more then there are in RL.

Riggs


What happens if they inform a friend in a different corp and alliance of any incoming changes?

There is no link between them in game so what happens then?


Nothing happens, but what happens in real life when people are doing insider trading dumping stock days before a know'n bad quarterly report. You cannot catch everyone, and you never will.

You will always have abuse when people in power have more information then the general public. Politicians, CEO's, Police, you have to live with it and deal with it to the best of your ability.

Riggs


Ahmen Brother.... Ahmen
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