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Miners, an endangered species.

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Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#161 - 2012-03-22 01:32:47 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Evei Shard wrote:
Unfortunately that is completely wrong. It has nothing to do with boredom. They are ganking miners for one or both of two reasons.
1) It's very profitable to do so within the current game mechanics
2) Because they enjoy the reactions they get out of the players they do it to.

Forgot one:
3. Because they're botting.


Well, I sort of categorized that under #2, but I'll admit that bot tears generally involve some investigation outside of Eve, which may not be worth the effort. So, yes, botting is a valid reason.

Profit favors the prepared

Pirjo Pubiruusu
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#162 - 2012-03-22 01:49:41 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Nimbus Cloud Liebrum wrote:
ganking miners seems to be a case of biting the hand that feeds. you need the miners so can keep buying those ships and being foolish dumbas*ses that you are.


Awww...you think mining is the only source of minerals. How cute.

Hi mom!
TravisWB
#163 - 2012-03-22 02:43:41 UTC
I have to say this has been a decent thread for Eve forums.

Many of you understand exactly what I was trying to point out and stated your opinions quite well. Others are, well, the actual problem.

Face it killers. Most miners are clueless noobs in a Hulk. The Hulk is a relatively easy ship to get into and for a non-missioning solo miner or micro corpy, a real isk maker. You killers understand just exactly how clueless that is right? Noob miners don't.

It usually takes them a while to go stir crazy from endless mining and start to branch out into other parts of the game.

You see them as bots. They are in fact afk noobs.

Ganking drives them from the game and they don't come back.

Thanks to you all that actually get this.


pppphhhhhht to you thugs that don't, or don't care.

And er, my suggestion is that CCP takes the moon materials out of a Hulk build. Make it totally hisec material makeable like an Orca.







Selinate
#164 - 2012-03-22 02:45:32 UTC
Want mining to come back? Make it engaging and fun. It currently is not.

/thread
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#165 - 2012-03-22 02:46:51 UTC
TravisWB wrote:
I have to say this has been a decent thread for Eve forums.

Many of you understand exactly what I was trying to point out and stated your opinions quite well. Others are, well, the actual problem.

Face it killers. Most miners are clueless noobs in a Hulk. The Hulk is a relatively easy ship to get into and for a non-missioning solo miner or micro corpy, a real isk maker. You killers understand just exactly how clueless that is right? Noob miners don't.

It usually takes them a while to go stir crazy from endless mining and start to branch out into other parts of the game.

You see them as bots. They are in fact afk noobs.

Ganking drives them from the game and they don't come back.

Thanks to you all that actually get this.


pppphhhhhht to you thugs that don't, or don't care.

And er, my suggestion is that CCP takes the moon materials out of a Hulk build. Make it totally hisec material makeable like an Orca.

Here's what I want to know if all this **** is purportedly true:

When they can't AFK other games either because the PVE owns them, are these same noobs ragequitting those games too?

If they are, to be honest, they're not a metric we were ever interested in. Hell, even our competitors don't want the "AFK noob." It looks bad for your game when the average player is either not at his keyboard, an idiot, or both.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom

TravisWB
#166 - 2012-03-22 02:48:55 UTC
Idiots?

You ever been to null?

Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#167 - 2012-03-22 02:56:28 UTC
TravisWB wrote:
Idiots?

You ever been to null?



Oxytopes? Have you ever breathed air?

Also, answer question or it's not a discussion.

Would these tools have ragequit other games where they got owned at PVE gathering activities for being AFK?

If not, what's so special about EVE?

This game makes people think it's all ponies and ribbons with the high-secs, huh?

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom

Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#168 - 2012-03-22 03:02:45 UTC
Just get rid of mining and make those minerals NPC stuff.

Who cares of mining and blacksmithing to build armours in a space ship game?
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#169 - 2012-03-22 03:05:30 UTC
TravisWB wrote:
As a relatively long term indy alt toon I have noticed something many of you are probably unaware of.

Hulks and the noob mining barges as well are vanishing from the game.
Our little neut alt corp is active in a couple of empires and many regions and are familiar with many rich mining areas that all have something new in common.

NO MINERS

Systems that once had heavy competitive pressure to get the ore are now mostly devoid of any miners whatsoever.
And this is a much bigger problem than many of you must understand.
Some mining/indy/missioning corps are now full time incursion farmers But the run of the mill, small corp afk mining noobs in a Hulk or two are fewer and farther between than I have EVER seen in nearly three years of play.
And these people were not bots, Bots are only in null, mining ABC around the clock.
Veldspar bots? Ice Bots, are you freaking STUPID?
Most hisec carebear miners/indys are less than 2 year old noobs that don't buy or sell isk. They usually take 6 months of hard work to get that Hulk that then likely as not gets ganked and they quit the game.
Or maybe they autopilot an industrial hauling a weeks worth of gametime work to a hub and that gets ganked. Same result, they quit the game.
And given the seedy and sorry reputation this game now has, guess what? There aren't any noobs out there in a Navitas learning how to mine.
Most 'noobs' these days are actually suicide ganking alts that belong to some jaded nullsec failbot corp. This game is going to fail and fail rather quickly if something isn't done pretty quick.
Nullsec is a total freaking fail. Watch this and try to see why. http://youtu.be/7zzJsA8iecA
And now hisec is swarmed with not bitter vets, but rather disillusioned thugs that dreamed of glory, but now settle for mere thuggery.
Mark my words, this game is going to fail. And when it does it will be far faster than you will imagine.

This has been going on for several months and it is getting worse, not better, not the same as always, but Worse, much worse,

The base of the Eve economy is vanishing.


For eight years I've watched mining slowly decline. When I first started low sec mining was well worth the risk and mining was something folks respected. Ganking like we see today was virtually impossible and small mining corps flourished. Now miners are treated like some sort of underclass and mining in low sec is crazy bad in terms of the risk and reward. In those eight years the only thing besides the slow nerfing of ore and the huge increase in the types and power of ships to explode our barges we've seen two large ships, one, the RoQ, that most miners will never get to use.

So CCP really needs to take some time and give mining and overhaul!

Mining needs to be made more fun and challenging!

Issler
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#170 - 2012-03-22 03:08:54 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
TravisWB wrote:
As a relatively long term indy alt toon I have noticed something many of you are probably unaware of.

Hulks and the noob mining barges as well are vanishing from the game.
Our little neut alt corp is active in a couple of empires and many regions and are familiar with many rich mining areas that all have something new in common.

NO MINERS

Systems that once had heavy competitive pressure to get the ore are now mostly devoid of any miners whatsoever.
And this is a much bigger problem than many of you must understand.
Some mining/indy/missioning corps are now full time incursion farmers But the run of the mill, small corp afk mining noobs in a Hulk or two are fewer and farther between than I have EVER seen in nearly three years of play.
And these people were not bots, Bots are only in null, mining ABC around the clock.
Veldspar bots? Ice Bots, are you freaking STUPID?
Most hisec carebear miners/indys are less than 2 year old noobs that don't buy or sell isk. They usually take 6 months of hard work to get that Hulk that then likely as not gets ganked and they quit the game.
Or maybe they autopilot an industrial hauling a weeks worth of gametime work to a hub and that gets ganked. Same result, they quit the game.
And given the seedy and sorry reputation this game now has, guess what? There aren't any noobs out there in a Navitas learning how to mine.
Most 'noobs' these days are actually suicide ganking alts that belong to some jaded nullsec failbot corp. This game is going to fail and fail rather quickly if something isn't done pretty quick.
Nullsec is a total freaking fail. Watch this and try to see why. http://youtu.be/7zzJsA8iecA
And now hisec is swarmed with not bitter vets, but rather disillusioned thugs that dreamed of glory, but now settle for mere thuggery.
Mark my words, this game is going to fail. And when it does it will be far faster than you will imagine.

This has been going on for several months and it is getting worse, not better, not the same as always, but Worse, much worse,

The base of the Eve economy is vanishing.


For eight years I've watched mining slowly decline. When I first started low sec mining was well worth the risk and mining was something folks respected. Ganking like we see today was virtually impossible and small mining corps flourished. Now miners are treated like some sort of underclass and mining in low sec is crazy bad in terms of the risk and reward. In those eight years the only thing besides the slow nerfing of ore and the huge increase in the types and power of ships to explode our barges we've seen two large ships, one, the RoQ, that most miners will never get to use.

So CCP really needs to take some time and give mining and overhaul!

Mining needs to be made more fun and challenging!

Issler


Agree. Emphasis on challenging. Fun is important too, but nobody should EVER think they can literally "play AFK" while they are undocked in a ship that they value.

This is not that kind of game.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#171 - 2012-03-22 03:13:57 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
This game makes people think it's all ponies and ribbons with the high-secs, huh?

No, not the PONIES. The Concord ponies.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#172 - 2012-03-22 03:18:38 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
huge increase in the types and power of ships to explode our barges we've seen two large ships, one, the RoQ, that most miners will never get to use.

Yeah, really need some kind of mining supercap so miners can participare in Supercapitals online.

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Dbars Grinding
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#173 - 2012-03-22 03:28:16 UTC
well gee its a tough choice. 15-20 min to clear a level 4 and get 20mil in bounties or mine in highsec for an hour and make 20 mil.

I have more space likes than you. 

Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#174 - 2012-03-22 03:33:46 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
huge increase in the types and power of ships to explode our barges we've seen two large ships, one, the RoQ, that most miners will never get to use.

Yeah, really need some kind of mining supercap so miners can participare in Supercapitals online.



Mining super drones !!

They can only fit in the Orca/Rorqual ship hangar, have the same yeld than 2 hulks per drone, plus, drones can bomb any enemy trying to do whatever on ya and rep you if you take dmg. You can carry for about 200 and deploy as much as you carry.

The downside is that depending on the GM and how many reports you are victim of, you might be ban without reason or with a reason taht even the GM is incapable to understand since you can probably be a bot or not, so depending on the GM and his humour you might or might not get a butt kick.

Thx for reading this trash
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#175 - 2012-03-22 03:56:27 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Mining super drones !!

They can only fit in the Orca/Rorqual ship hangar, have the same yeld than 2 hulks per drone, plus, drones can bomb any enemy trying to do whatever on ya and rep you if you take dmg. You can carry for about 200 and deploy as much as you carry.

The downside is that depending on the GM and how many reports you are victim of, you might be ban without reason or with a reason taht even the GM is incapable to understand since you can probably be a bot or not, so depending on the GM and his humour you might or might not get a butt kick.

Thx for reading this trash

Meh. If they're like fighters they won't automine or autoaggress.

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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#176 - 2012-03-22 05:55:38 UTC
Ana Vyr wrote:

When people talk about EvE they always say its a game where individual players can make a difference. Maybe that was before these massive alliances took over null?

Common misconception.

CAN != WILL

An individual player can change the game, look at the Mittani, or Chribba. Just because you can doesn't mean you will, and people don't seem to understand that.

I know I personally have changed the course of the game, by providing a pivotal role as a logi pilot, which has cause my guys to win fights we would not have(sometimes even in the face of superior odds!) yet I am one of the nullsec 'drones', not even a corp officer(tho I did get my CEO to name me official shiptoaster of our corp Cool).

If you think you can't make a difference in the game, its just through a lack of personal imagination and ambition.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#177 - 2012-03-22 06:34:19 UTC
TravisWB wrote:
And er, my suggestion is that CCP takes the moon materials out of a Hulk build. Make it totally hisec material makeable like an Orca.


What problem are you trying to solve?
Gyozshil154
Protocision Industries
#178 - 2012-03-22 06:56:32 UTC
I also don't understand the hate for the miners in this game. I don't know why I do it, but mining is something I can really grab on to. I like to produce things. I like industry. Even my IRL job reflects these tendencies. Does that make me less of a player than some of you? Do I need to kill other people in order to fully enjoy the game?

I most certainly plan to branch out in to pvp when the money and skill is there, that is why I'm in the University. Until then, can I not be considered a second class citizen?
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#179 - 2012-03-22 06:59:06 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
TravisWB wrote:
And er, my suggestion is that CCP takes the moon materials out of a Hulk build. Make it totally hisec material makeable like an Orca.


What problem are you trying to solve?

He wants to build his own hulks without having to go to the market for moongoo

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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#180 - 2012-03-22 07:00:59 UTC
Gyozshil154 wrote:
I also don't understand the hate for the miners in this game. I don't know why I do it, but mining is something I can really grab on to. I like to produce things. I like industry. Even my IRL job reflects these tendencies. Does that make me less of a player than some of you? Do I need to kill other people in order to fully enjoy the game?

I most certainly plan to branch out in to pvp when the money and skill is there, that is why I'm in the University. Until then, can I not be considered a second class citizen?

You need no money or skill to pvp, just a set of balls.

Go spend a couple mil fitting out a rifter, go to lowsec, and kill people.

Or join a null alliance, there are a few out there that take in newbies because we believe its better to get players with no bad habits from highsec(and highsec, especially the uni, teach bad habits for pvp)

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