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SOTF / WBR and the PL Titan Kill And the Moaners
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Mystical Might
Eclipse Pulsar
Fraternity.
#21 - 2012-03-19 22:26:39 UTC
Gallactica wrote:
Not being funny but it's everyone else that's turned this into some sort of militia focus not us.

We are just 2 corps that had the balls to make actions speak louder than words, nothing more nothing less.

Other corps in fw seem to be the ones championing it being some sort of fw militia crusade and strangley enough they seem to be the most butthurt ones, go figure.



Shocked You dubbed the killing of the titan as an act done by "Militia Noobs", and you're wondering why people are viewing it in such a way?

What? Confused much?
Tekitha
Esshulls Retirement Club
#22 - 2012-03-19 22:44:27 UTC
well, isn't this thread staying all nice and cuddly

is it any wonder we didn't include all 4 militia's in the planning and execution of this operation. The idiocy shown by a few people here is exactly the reason we kept it as we did.

Thank you for making the point abundantly clear.
Vordak Kallager
Wilderness
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#23 - 2012-03-19 22:56:42 UTC
Tekitha wrote:
well, isn't this thread staying all nice and cuddly

is it any wonder we didn't include all 4 militia's in the planning and execution of this operation. The idiocy shown by a few people here is exactly the reason we kept it as we did.

Thank you for making the point abundantly clear.


Idiocy? I explained why people are mad (because they weren't included). I also said that SOTF/WBR got the kill and deserve props for their balls, haters be damned. Gallatica is apparently miffed that the kill is being associated with FW, although you all toted it as "Militia kills PL Titan", which doesn't make a lot of sense if you wanted it only to be recognized as "SOTF/WBR kill PL Titan".

I get op-sec and I think you were justified in keeping the op small and need-to-know. There are a lot of groups in Minmatar I don't fully trust (not necessarily because of SPAI but just because of competency), so acting as all 4 militia with people you don't know would be difficult.

I was defending you, and you throw a general comment about idiocy out there? Get off your high-horse.

If that comment wasn't aimed at me, then w/e. Cool

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
Tekitha
Esshulls Retirement Club
#24 - 2012-03-19 23:07:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Tekitha
"militia noobs kill PL titan" was just the name of the video, it's what one guy posted ... not the title I would have gone with but then I am not the one who made the video so meh. "SOTF / W-BR kill a PL titan" would also have been leaving out various other individual's who were involved.

The point is, we are in militia, so yes it was a militia kill in the strictest sense. The organisation and exectution of the kill however is all down to a few individuals, from SOTF and W-BR.

That wasn't really the point I was making with my previous statement tho, it's the general attitude that floats around not only these forums but also ingame, there is a rather negative vibe between almost every militia corp, and not just of Corps of opposing militia's. Pulling something like this off couldn't have happened the way certain others (who now feel left out, or "backstabbed") had planned.

too much trolling
too much politics
too much drama
too much idiocy

in militia, honestly it's as bad as nullsec these days despite some people claiming that FW is "drama free" pvp.

but then again, Personally I love the drama so keep it up :)
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-03-19 23:51:01 UTC
Vordak Kallager wrote:
Ok, I'm sorry (and I don't want to degrade what SOTF and W-BR have done here, I've already said it deserves some big ups), but can you get off their **** please? It's kind of offensive to all the other major players in all four factions saying that the actions of two corps have single-handedly made FW "good" or whatever you were implying about us now being "on the map". **** that, there are lots of good pilots in FW, not just SOTF and W-BR.


I never said they make up the militia. I have, however, said they are probably two of the best corporations in the militias, and I won't take that portion back.

The point my post made was that these two corporations came together and kicked some ass. So what if "all four" militias weren't represented? They saw an opening, they took it. Plans come and go. They change. If you don't like the fact that opportunity came knocking and they answered, then that's on you. And that is directed at anyone who wants to whine about this.

But let's be frank, here. Faction warfare has been viewed as the bastard children of EVE. You all are laughed at because you continue to use a system that has been broken since inception. Congratulations on doing so, but most null sec alliances see you guys come along and just go, "Whatever." Maybe you guys take some juicy ships through and they take notice, but for the most part faction warfare has been ignored by CCP, the CSM, and the null sec blocs.

What WBR and SOTF did put you guys - meaning faction warfare and the militias - on the map because they took a fleet in, knowing it was a suicide mission, and walked away with the loot from the titan and with a better ISK ratio than Pandemic Legion did.

As someone else said earlier: Pandemic Legion is taking this loss with dignity. It's faction warfare that's bitching over it, because waah, it was an "invitation only" party and most weren't invited. Harden the f*** up.

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Andre Vauban
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-03-19 23:53:31 UTC
Congratulations on the operation. This is a great example of what you can achieve in Eve through force of will.

.
Mr Blue
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#27 - 2012-03-19 23:54:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Blue
lol to any FW corp ceos that is bickering about beeing left out. SOTF/W-BR played it totaly right...any bigger and Im pretty sure we would have known it= attempt would have been fail.

Yes they could maybe have gotten few hundred more people in fleet, but then titan would have been tank fitted(due to spys) and a more proper PL fleet would have been rdy.(possible NC. reinforcments too)
SO I doubt more people would mean more chance of success as long as your not committing supers on your own.

Look at the video and enjoy it rather:)
Bluejacket CT
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#28 - 2012-03-19 23:57:59 UTC
Tekitha wrote:

too much trolling


OK, now I'm offended. Evil

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Tekitha
Esshulls Retirement Club
#29 - 2012-03-20 00:04:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Tekitha
Bluejacket CT wrote:
Tekitha wrote:

too much trolling


OK, now I'm offended. Evil



and you're the worst of the bunch Lol

<3
Pulgy
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-03-20 00:04:56 UTC
I was there.
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Bluejacket CT
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#31 - 2012-03-20 00:24:03 UTC
I blame Ammon!

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Julius Foederatus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-03-20 01:17:26 UTC
Eve is real.
Vordak Kallager
Wilderness
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#33 - 2012-03-20 01:27:42 UTC
Anya Klibor wrote:
Vordak Kallager wrote:
Ok, I'm sorry (and I don't want to degrade what SOTF and W-BR have done here, I've already said it deserves some big ups), but can you get off their **** please? It's kind of offensive to all the other major players in all four factions saying that the actions of two corps have single-handedly made FW "good" or whatever you were implying about us now being "on the map". **** that, there are lots of good pilots in FW, not just SOTF and W-BR.


I never said they make up the militia. I have, however, said they are probably two of the best corporations in the militias, and I won't take that portion back.

The point my post made was that these two corporations came together and kicked some ass. So what if "all four" militias weren't represented? They saw an opening, they took it. Plans come and go. They change. If you don't like the fact that opportunity came knocking and they answered, then that's on you. And that is directed at anyone who wants to whine about this.

But let's be frank, here. Faction warfare has been viewed as the bastard children of EVE. You all are laughed at because you continue to use a system that has been broken since inception. Congratulations on doing so, but most null sec alliances see you guys come along and just go, "Whatever." Maybe you guys take some juicy ships through and they take notice, but for the most part faction warfare has been ignored by CCP, the CSM, and the null sec blocs.

What WBR and SOTF did put you guys - meaning faction warfare and the militias - on the map because they took a fleet in, knowing it was a suicide mission, and walked away with the loot from the titan and with a better ISK ratio than Pandemic Legion did.

As someone else said earlier: Pandemic Legion is taking this loss with dignity. It's faction warfare that's bitching over it, because waah, it was an "invitation only" party and most weren't invited. Harden the f*** up.


I'm confused... I *agree* with SOTF/WBR decision to go it alone and make it happen. I just think it is funny that you think this single kill has made FW good all of a sudden, or that it matters that we are somehow "on the map" now. ??? We just here for the killmails, yo.

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
Vordak Kallager
Wilderness
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#34 - 2012-03-20 01:29:17 UTC
Vordak Kallager wrote:
Anya Klibor wrote:
Vordak Kallager wrote:
Ok, I'm sorry (and I don't want to degrade what SOTF and W-BR have done here, I've already said it deserves some big ups), but can you get off their **** please? It's kind of offensive to all the other major players in all four factions saying that the actions of two corps have single-handedly made FW "good" or whatever you were implying about us now being "on the map". **** that, there are lots of good pilots in FW, not just SOTF and W-BR.


I never said they make up the militia. I have, however, said they are probably two of the best corporations in the militias, and I won't take that portion back.

The point my post made was that these two corporations came together and kicked some ass. So what if "all four" militias weren't represented? They saw an opening, they took it. Plans come and go. They change. If you don't like the fact that opportunity came knocking and they answered, then that's on you. And that is directed at anyone who wants to whine about this.

But let's be frank, here. Faction warfare has been viewed as the bastard children of EVE. You all are laughed at because you continue to use a system that has been broken since inception. Congratulations on doing so, but most null sec alliances see you guys come along and just go, "Whatever." Maybe you guys take some juicy ships through and they take notice, but for the most part faction warfare has been ignored by CCP, the CSM, and the null sec blocs.

What WBR and SOTF did put you guys - meaning faction warfare and the militias - on the map because they took a fleet in, knowing it was a suicide mission, and walked away with the loot from the titan and with a better ISK ratio than Pandemic Legion did.

As someone else said earlier: Pandemic Legion is taking this loss with dignity. It's faction warfare that's bitching over it, because waah, it was an "invitation only" party and most weren't invited. Harden the f*** up.


I'm confused... I *agree* with SOTF/WBR decision to go it alone and make it happen. I just think it is funny that you think this single kill has made FW good all of a sudden, or that it matters that we are somehow "on the map" now. ??? We just here for the killmails, yo.


Also, whoever is whining about them getting the kill by themselves is an idiot. Lol

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
Mr Hyde113
#35 - 2012-03-20 02:22:52 UTC
This is all crimper's fault.
Simyaldee
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-03-20 06:37:10 UTC
I hope I'm not included among the whiners, the thread I posted was because I wanted someone from FW who was involved to explain the situation, because EN24 an assorted intel was distorted.

But yea, I wasn't their or involved in the op at all so I can't make any judgement on any other members of Militia being left out as a result. Plus, people have to remember that the communication channels between SOTF and W-BR are probably better than most others because the used to be alliance mates and all. Not to mention that they probably have the largest concentration of Capital Ships in the Militia, although I'm surprised Q-CATs were left out, seems they've been dropping caps all over the ******* place lately. I'm not really surprised Caldari was left out, were rebuilding and restructuring and everything.

The Titan kill will add publicity and will help put us on the map, but it probably won't go as far as say...electing Hans to CSM, or one of the FW alliances putting a good show in the alliance tourney or something.

But yea, this is militia ladies and gentlemen, honestly we don't usually squabble this much.

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#37 - 2012-03-20 06:42:58 UTC
From the looks of it, the best thing to come out of this aside from everyone seeing how organised PL is at countering hotdrops, is that enough bad blood has been created by not involving everyone, that the FW scene might hot up as the hairy lardballs get down and dirty flailing at each other in between ventolin puffs, screaming imprecations because "I WAS NOT THERE!!!!"

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Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-03-20 09:03:47 UTC
I was'nt there and RAAAAAAGE.

But in all seriousness I am SO PROUD OF WBR I might as well have solo'ed that titan in my opinion. To see WBR make such a noise that ALL OF EVE HEARD IT is enough for me. Being there or not.

At least that is how I feel about it.

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FIRST GENERAL
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#39 - 2012-03-20 09:08:58 UTC
Stalking Mantis wrote:
I was'nt there and RAAAAAAGE.

But in all seriousness I am SO PROUD OF WBR&SOTF I might as well have solo'ed that titan in my opinion. To see WBR&SOTF make such a noise that ALL OF EVE HEARD IT is enough for me. Being there or not.

At least that is how I feel about it.


There corrected the above.

And i'm sure that i speak for both corps when i'm saying that we're happy to provide content.
Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-03-20 09:27:46 UTC
FIRST GENERAL wrote:
Stalking Mantis wrote:
I was'nt there and RAAAAAAGE.

But in all seriousness I am SO PROUD OF WBR&SOTF I might as well have solo'ed that titan in my opinion. To see WBR&SOTF make such a noise that ALL OF EVE HEARD IT is enough for me. Being there or not.

At least that is how I feel about it.


There corrected the above.

And i'm sure that i speak for both corps when i'm saying that we're happy to provide content.


No offense to SOTF or anyone else on that op but you know as a former WBR pilot that is all I see in that video (which I have probably watched 47 times by now). I know much credit is due to both sides and all pilots involved and I hope no one thinks I am intentionally leaving anyone out.

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