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A Question to New Eden
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Maddox Yung
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-03-19 13:44:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Maddox Yung
Thank you Tiberious.

It is obvious that im wasting my time.

Again.

So i'll simplify this for those that CANNOT read the meaning and just answer the ******* question.


For the good of the world, or for the good of greed?

Answer the damn question.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#2 - 2012-03-19 13:53:06 UTC
If you had wanted a totally honest answer, you shouldn't have biased the question so much. As it stands, with the way the question is given context and framed, you have asked the following.

"Do you want to be a good guy, or a bad guy"

It is an oversimplification. There are no such black and white statements of morality, and in the case that such a moral case did exist, the line would be drawn much sooner at "Would you commit murder for money; y/n"
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#3 - 2012-03-19 22:59:47 UTC
Just to point out, you wasted more time by editing your existing post rather than just posting that as a seperate post.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#4 - 2012-03-19 23:39:17 UTC
I'll indulge this, despite not getting a chance to read the original post.

Both.

Katrina Oniseki
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#5 - 2012-03-20 02:40:02 UTC
Well, to put is simply as possible.

Go for the greed. The response from others is their own.

So take the big pay out and don't care about what happens after. Because, let's face it, you just lit the fuse that was already in place.
Nobody cares to extinguish the fuse but instead heats up the flame more. Isn't that their own choice then?

Nobody cares how and if you live. So why would you bother with their reasons to kill themselves?
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#6 - 2012-03-20 09:50:08 UTC
What ?

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Graelyn
Aeternus Command Academy
#7 - 2012-03-20 09:58:59 UTC
Is this an ad for something?

No solicitors!

Cardinal Graelyn

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-03-20 11:02:45 UTC
Yes.
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#9 - 2012-03-20 14:09:34 UTC
I remembered the question. Just didn't take the time to reply for a while.

But good to see the confused. Makes it easier to scout out those who keep less informed.
Norrin Ellis
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-03-20 15:47:05 UTC
Your question implies that the choices are mutually exclusive. I reject the false dichotomy.

CEO, Venture Racing

Manager, EVE Online Hold'Em
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#11 - 2012-03-21 00:34:32 UTC
Norrin Ellis wrote:
Your question implies that the choices are mutually exclusive. I reject the false dichotomy.

Captain Ellis is correct. Self interest and altruism are not always opposed. Sometimes they are eigenvectors of one another. Could you rephrase the question?
Niraia
Starcakes
Cynosural Field Theory.
#12 - 2012-03-21 15:57:02 UTC
You again? Didn't I tell you to stop posting?

♥
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#13 - 2012-03-21 17:19:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Norrin Ellis wrote:
Your question implies that the choices are mutually exclusive. I reject the false dichotomy.

Not only is the dichotomy false in the sense that those are not mutually exclusive, it is also false in the sense that it is not really a dichotomy at all. Greed and altruism are far from the only human motivations possible.

Or toaster motivations, for that matter, since this was partly addressed to Tibs. I don't think Kuvakei himself is motivated by either, rather than revenge or hunger for power.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#14 - 2012-03-21 17:29:17 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
Norrin Ellis wrote:
Your question implies that the choices are mutually exclusive. I reject the false dichotomy.

Not only is the dichotomy false in the sense that those are not mutually exclusive, it is also false in the sense that it is not really a dichotomy at all. Greed and altruism are far from the only human motivations possible.

Or toaster motivations, for that matter, since this was partly addressed to Tibs. I don't think Kuvakei himself is motivated by either, rather than revenge or hunger for power.


It's only addressed to me because I responded to his original (rather wordy and rambling) question by doing pretty much the same as everyone else and saying that the world wasn't as black and white as his question implied.
Kikia Truzhari
Teraa Matar
#15 - 2012-03-22 05:00:39 UTC
Self interest and altruism are both needed in everyday life.

One needs selflessness and altruism in order to exist within the fabric of society, and at the same time, some level of selfishness is required in order to stop oneself from just being a doormat. True wisdom lies in not trying to choose one or the other, but to walk the middle road between the two.
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#16 - 2012-03-22 14:18:39 UTC
There is no reason to put other people's needs ahead of your own needs.
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#17 - 2012-03-22 14:38:52 UTC
Killer Gandry wrote:
There is no reason to put other people's needs ahead of your own needs.


Of course there is. To gain their trust.
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#18 - 2012-03-22 16:12:22 UTC
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
Killer Gandry wrote:
There is no reason to put other people's needs ahead of your own needs.


Of course there is. To gain their trust.


But in the end it serves my own needs, so I am not putting their needs ahead of mine. I am just investing into it so my own needs get what they want.

There is no altruism. Every action people take are in some way serving their own needs in one or another way.
Those who delude themselves into thinking this isn't true are far away from selfawareness.

The main reason I like Istvaan is that he never is dishonest about his ultimate goal.
This doesn't mean I trust him. I know if a knife in my back furthers his goals he will gladly slam it in there. But being aware of that one can't deny that he is one of the rare people who are true to themselves.
Vieve Tisserand
Omerta Syndicate
#19 - 2012-03-24 19:01:18 UTC
Maddox Yung wrote:
Thank you Tiberious.

It is obvious that im wasting my time.

Again.

So i'll simplify this for those that CANNOT read the meaning and just answer the ******* question.


For the good of the world, or for the good of greed?

Answer the damn question.


At the risk of quoting my dear Maman, "Both and at the same time neither. In all things, there should be moderation, as long as one remains the moderator."
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#20 - 2012-03-24 22:26:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Jaiga
The two options are really the same. In order to satisfy our infinite desires with our limited resources (achieve selfish goals) we must cooperate and act in harmony with each other (a single person cannot build an empire). Altruism arises when greed alone cannot advance the species sufficiently. Greed in turn arises when society cannot fulfill the selfish desires of the individual, and so the individual ventures out to innovate and do something new (which also helps advance the species). As with anything on the great wheel, selfishness and selflessness prevail in societies in a cyclical fashion, simply out of need (or perhaps nature).

With all of that being said, each individual may tend towards one or the other. I'd like to think I'm a basically altruistic person, but if I'm not then oh well.
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