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Disaster at Matriculation Centre #4

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Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#41 - 2012-03-20 15:50:18 UTC
Dry red wine, intrigue and paranoia.

Refreshing.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#42 - 2012-03-20 16:00:17 UTC
I think that the main conclusion that we can draw from this is that the Disciples of Ston are an undisciplined mockery of a shambolic mess.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Manwe Todako
Disciples of Ston
#43 - 2012-03-20 17:01:13 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
I think that the main conclusion that we can draw from this is that the Disciples of Ston are an undisciplined mockery of a shambolic mess.

Part of your conclusion is correct but it is not the main conclusion.
My acceptance of Ta Pang as a disciple was undisciplined. Had I checked his employment records rather than naively accepting his well played but false sincerity, this would not have happened.

But, the Disciples are not undisciplined and not a sham. We have disciplined ourselves to follow the way of non-violence consistently and without wavering. That takes discipline that few are willing to undergo. We have forsaken the bind pursuit of wealth to daily focus on the well-being of those left to die. That takes discipline. We have shown up on a daily basis to patrol for those abandoned. This we do day after day after day. This takes commitment and discipline. In spite of this set back, we will continue to be disciplined in our work in spite of criticism and mocking from the likes of such as you.

So Rodjer, you can pass the PIE to someone else.

The main conclusion is that we were betrayed by one of our own that should never have been one of our own. For this, I and I alone am to blame.

SANKOFA

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#44 - 2012-03-20 17:08:33 UTC
I don't suppose anyone thought to ask these people what they think of all this? This is sounding more and more like two Holders fighting over a flock of slaves.

Katrina Oniseki

Ran'shad
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2012-03-20 17:24:03 UTC
As far as I am concerned, this is an internal matter to the Disciples of Ston. Whatever the past is of their members, I can assure you that neither nor any of my employees or slaves were involved in any criminal activiy in Madirmilire be it hoax, or actual. Whatever former connections I may have to your traitor, I can vouch that those ties are long ago severed and forgotten.

Clean up your own mess Manwe.

High Lord Ran'Shad CEO Imperial Manufacturing and Engineering Regiment Elemental Tide Alliance

Manwe Todako
Disciples of Ston
#46 - 2012-03-20 17:57:18 UTC
Ran'shad wrote:
As far as I am concerned, this is an internal matter to the Disciples of Ston. Whatever the past is of their members, I can assure you that neither nor any of my employees or slaves were involved in any criminal activiy in Madirmilire be it hoax, or actual. Whatever former connections I may have to your traitor, I can vouch that those ties are long ago severed and forgotten.

Clean up your own mess Manwe.

My mess indeed, but your denials are pathetic, Ran'shad. Don't try to wash your hands of your buddy Ta Pang. Just three months after the two of you were serving together in the ICLR, we brought him on and the two of you started your pretending. Remember this:

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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
Manwe Todako wrote:
The Disciples of Ston Welcome pilot Ta Pang
May this new Initiate Disciple be an instrument of peace and freedom in our cluster.


From his bio:
Quote:
I only have 1 rule.

Everyone fights, nobody quits. If you don't do your job, I'll kill you myself.


Sounds like you need to inspect your instruments of peace a little closer.


So the supposedly peacefull disciples hire someone who clearly has no quams over killing his allies...I beleive that speaks for itself. Does this indicate that this group is planing on taking a more 'active' role in disrupting the peacefull lives of many Holders? Will we soon see vio
lent, first strike raids on slave barracks and other facilities?


I bet the two of you really had some laughs as you played enemy on the IGS while Ta Pang built trust and collected matriculants to become your future slaves. How happy you must have been when Ta Pang took over thousands of Matriculants when Edaine left and thousands more when Manwe made deliveries from Khanid space. Did your mouth water while you thought of all the slaves you would get. Stop the denials. The two of you really put on a good show. You played your parts masterfully and now the two of you can enjoy all those slaves that we collected for you. You and Ta Pang are pure evil.

SANKOFA

Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#47 - 2012-03-20 18:48:35 UTC
Norrin Ellis wrote:
Ava Starfire wrote:


Oh, silly boy.

Werent you the ones that refused to come to scary lowsec to get us? Have to leave docking radius for that, we understand.


You seem to be practically gloating over battles not fought. Empty posturing is terribly unbecoming.


Norrin, we did fight them. We could not compete with their tactics, so we used our own.

Criticising my "battles" when you refuse to even accept a risk of ever fighting one yourself is also, unbecoming.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Sar'tek
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#48 - 2012-03-20 23:55:05 UTC
Manwe Todako wrote:

Edit: If you take a look at Off World Brotherhood's closed note you will see a reference to go to ICLR. There you will see that Ran'shad and Ta Pang followed each other around like love sick puppies. Hmm, yet they don't seem to remember each other.

Ta Pang
Imperial Combat Logistics Regiment 2011.05.01 13:37 to 2011.08.02 18:38
Imperial Combat Logistics Regiment 2011.08.04 19:02 to 2011.09.09 11:50

Ran’shad
Imperial Combat Logistics Regiment 2011.05.03 00:24 to 2011.06.11 16:14
Imperial Combat Logistics Regiment 2011.06.12 00:48 to 2011.08.22 16:51

Please don't try to tell me any more lies about you not knowing each other.


I try to keep my nose out of the polictical posturing that is so common of these ridiculous channels, however I feel I need to make it known that during their time in ICLR, of which I was CEO, the two individuals in question held very different responsibilities. They were hardly the busom buddies you are trying to project them as.

While I have not seen them in some time, I find it hard to beleive that they are smart enough to come up with something like this on their own....not to say that they are not intelligent, just not overly creative. In fact I blame Ran'Shad for being part of the reason that ICLR ultimatly collapsed.

So unless you plan on trying to say I'm involved as well, because they followed me into ICLR when we shut down OWB, along with several others I might add.... I suggest you produce something that resembles actual evidence. If you cannot, then please, feel free to keep your peace-loving trap shut.
Manwe Todako
Disciples of Ston
#49 - 2012-03-21 01:20:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Manwe Todako
Sar'tek wrote:


I try to keep my nose out


Sar'tek? Sar'tek? Hmm, where have I heard that name before? Oh yes, now I remember, you and your Corp mate Cern Nuos were one of the first two people to provide Ta Pang with convenient and significant rescues to establish his credibility with DSTON. But of course you aren't involved at all are you? You guys need to cover your tracks better than you are currently doing. You have left a paper trail that quite easy to follow. So, yes Sar'tek who along with your corp mate Cern Nuos, conveniently arrange to have Ta Pang perform a rescue in the same day. Of course, he didn't seem to remember who you were. Funny, isn't it that all of you seem to have such terrible memories of your associations with each other.


Ta Pang Reported
I will attempt to re-send this message.....communications have been hit or miss lately and I have no idea why, I will attempt to fix the links to public profiles later. The past 24 hours have seen a pair of rescues, totaling 325 former slaves and 122 other passsengers. I am appaled at the blatant disregard of the pilots who jettisoned these poor souls into space.

Pilot: Sar'Tek], 308 lives
Race: Caldari
Corp: Lai Dai Infinity Systems


Pilot: Cern Nuos, 139 lives
Race: Caldari
Corp: Minertour North Industries Inc.

Update:
The majority of the former slaves have opted to attend our newest matriculation center. A small handfull of them have indicated that they wish to return to their 'master'. The mixed passengers turned out to include several slavers and their personal entourage of exotic dancers. The dancers have been given their freedom and the slavers have been detained for further questioning.


Edit: O Yes, just an interesting note, Sar'tek never posts on the IGS, ever, basically, until now, just in time to defend his friends. You shouldn't have put your name out there, Sar'tek where it is exposed to public record where all can see your associations and actions and complicity.
2nd edit: name links added so you can see corporate connections and history.

SANKOFA

TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#50 - 2012-03-21 03:24:42 UTC
Todako , do you have any idea at the moment how many people are missing ? and are probably going to be sold back into slavery or maybe sold on to the Sansha Nation.
Norrin Ellis
Doomheim
#51 - 2012-03-21 07:53:55 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:
Norrin Ellis wrote:
Ava Starfire wrote:


Oh, silly boy.

Werent you the ones that refused to come to scary lowsec to get us? Have to leave docking radius for that, we understand.


You seem to be practically gloating over battles not fought. Empty posturing is terribly unbecoming.


Norrin, we did fight them. We could not compete with their tactics, so we used our own.

Criticising my "battles" when you refuse to even accept a risk of ever fighting one yourself is also, unbecoming.


And here I was thinking that choosing not to turn everything into a reason to fight was a sign of maturity and civility. My mistake.

I fully respect your change in tone from "they wouldn't fight us, so we won" to "we couldn't beat them, so we retreated and then claimed moral victory when they didn't pursue." This clarifies your position immensely.

As for what I'm willing to fight for, that threshold is rarely crossed. I simply can't be expected to challenge everyone to a fight because they offend my delicate sensibilities. While you may choose to continue to imply anyone unwilling to throw down the gauntlet for little to no reason is cowardly, I'll continue going about my business very secure in the knowledge that reckless and wanton violence does not equate to valor.

Good day.
Manwe Todako
Disciples of Ston
#52 - 2012-03-21 10:45:49 UTC
TomHorn wrote:
Todako , do you have any idea at the moment how many people are missing ? and are probably going to be sold back into slavery or maybe sold on to the Sansha Nation.


I fear the worst and hope for the best. The worst case scenario is that Ran'shad will do just that and scatter these poor men and women and families to the four winds. Best case scenario is that Ta Pang is still in possession of the residents somewhere and that his conscience will eat at him until he lets the residents come back to DSTON.

16,534 is the number that Ta Pang has floated. I am making myself as available as I can to remain in the Madirmilire area in case the people are returned. I hope against hope.

SANKOFA

Sar'tek
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#53 - 2012-03-21 12:08:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Sar'tek
Manwe Todako wrote:

[url=https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=358262#post358262]
Ta Pang Reported
I will attempt to re-send this message.....communications have been hit or miss lately and I have no idea why, I will attempt to fix the links to public profiles later. The past 24 hours have seen a pair of rescues, totaling 325 former slaves and 122 other passsengers. I am appaled at the blatant disregard of the pilots who jettisoned these poor souls into space.

Pilot: Sar'Tek], 308 lives
Race: Caldari
Corp: Lai Dai Infinity Systems


Pilot: Cern Nuos, 139 lives
Race: Caldari
Corp: Minertour North Industries Inc.



Edit: O Yes, just an interesting note, Sar'tek never posts on the IGS, ever, basically, until now, just in time to defend his friends. You shouldn't have put your name out there, Sar'tek where it is exposed to public record where all can see your associations and actions and complicity.


I think you need to skim your capsule fluid for impurities, of course I gave Ta Pang slaves. HE ASKED ME FOR THEM. But I suppose this is just part of some grand plot to do.....what exactly? Steal them back? Please detail what exaclty you're trying to accuse me of being a party to.

As for defending Ta Pang or Ranshad, I hardly think so. Just because I choose not to post to IGS doesn't mean I don't keep abreast of ongoing events. Or is everyone who posts to IGS for the first time part of this conspiracy?

Does CONCORD have a rubber room for our good friend here? My recommendation Mr Todako, take a vacation. You are clearly wound too tight and are seeing things where only shadows exist.

Honestly, this is why I never weigh in, too many loonies escaped form the farm.
Dilaro thagriin
Doomheim
#54 - 2012-03-21 13:13:42 UTC
My my Manwe.... paranoid AND delusional....

Perhaps my little rifter would have been doing the cluster a favour... if you'd had the nerve to undock.

you are a disgrace to your tribe and clan.

-Dilaro
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#55 - 2012-03-21 13:34:55 UTC
First of all, I would like to offer my condolences to families of those lost in such a tragic accident. I suppose we live in a world where death is a lurking on every corner, as a constant reminder to live our life to the fullest.

I believe this also somewhat changes the terms of our business agreement, mr. Todako, so... you know where and how to contact me. Maybe in about a week, when the whole thing settles down a bit, hm? In any case, I hope you'll recover from this soon.
  • Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim

Angels are never far...

Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc

Manwe Todako
Disciples of Ston
#56 - 2012-03-21 13:55:16 UTC
Sar'tek wrote:
Manwe Todako wrote:

[url=https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=358262#post358262]
Ta Pang Reported
I will attempt to re-send this message.....communications have been hit or miss lately and I have no idea why, I will attempt to fix the links to public profiles later. The past 24 hours have seen a pair of rescues, totaling 325 former slaves and 122 other passsengers. I am appaled at the blatant disregard of the pilots who jettisoned these poor souls into space.

Pilot: Sar'Tek], 308 lives
Race: Caldari
Corp: Lai Dai Infinity Systems


Pilot: Cern Nuos, 139 lives
Race: Caldari
Corp: Minertour North Industries Inc.



Edit: O Yes, just an interesting note, Sar'tek never posts on the IGS, ever, basically, until now, just in time to defend his friends. You shouldn't have put your name out there, Sar'tek where it is exposed to public record where all can see your associations and actions and complicity.


I think you need to skim your capsule fluid for impurities, of course I gave Ta Pang slaves. HE ASKED ME FOR THEM. But I suppose this is just part of some grand plot to do.....what exactly? Steal them back? Please detail what exaclty you're trying to accuse me of being a party to.

As for defending Ta Pang or Ranshad, I hardly think so. Just because I choose not to post to IGS doesn't mean I don't keep abreast of ongoing events. Or is everyone who posts to IGS for the first time part of this conspiracy?

Does CONCORD have a rubber room for our good friend here? My recommendation Mr Todako, take a vacation. You are clearly wound too tight and are seeing things where only shadows exist.

Honestly, this is why I never weigh in, too many loonies escaped form the farm.


You just damned your friend Ta Pang. He claimed that you abandoned them and that he rescued them. He pretended not to know you. Now you say that he ASKED YOU FOR THEM. Didn't you read his post. So, the truth is that he asked for them. That is exactly my point. It was staged so he could claim a rescue. You haven't helped your friend here, Mr. You have confirmed what I am saying. You probably should have checked with him first before making your reply.

SANKOFA

Manwe Todako
Disciples of Ston
#57 - 2012-03-21 13:58:36 UTC
Leopold Caine wrote:
First of all, I would like to offer my condolences to families of those lost in such a tragic accident. I suppose we live in a world where death is a lurking on every corner, as a constant reminder to live our life to the fullest.

I believe this also somewhat changes the terms of our business agreement, mr. Todako, so... you know where and how to contact me. Maybe in about a week, when the whole thing settles down a bit, hm? In any case, I hope you'll recover from this soon.


What business agreement was that? I'm sure you are anxious to say.

SANKOFA

Sar'tek
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#58 - 2012-03-21 14:18:53 UTC
Manwe Todako wrote:

You just damned your friend Ta Pang. He claimed that you abandoned them and that he rescued them. He pretended not to know you. Now you say that he ASKED YOU FOR THEM. Didn't you read his post. So, the truth is that he asked for them. That is exactly my point. It was staged so he could claim a rescue. You haven't helped your friend here, Mr. You have confirmed what I am saying. You probably should have checked with him first before making your reply.


If you would clean the fluid from your eyes, I have never claimed to be friends with Ta Pang, we had been in corp together, when he joined your merry band of nutjobs he asked me and a whole list of former corpmates to give him any slaves we had. So I did. If this proves he is a spy/infiltrator/lier etc... then what do I care?

Now do us all a favor and shut down your transmittor and go find your medication.
Manwe Todako
Disciples of Ston
#59 - 2012-03-21 15:07:08 UTC
Sar'tek wrote:
Manwe Todako wrote:

You just damned your friend Ta Pang. He claimed that you abandoned them and that he rescued them. He pretended not to know you. Now you say that he ASKED YOU FOR THEM. Didn't you read his post. So, the truth is that he asked for them. That is exactly my point. It was staged so he could claim a rescue. You haven't helped your friend here, Mr. You have confirmed what I am saying. You probably should have checked with him first before making your reply.


If you would clean the fluid from your eyes, I have never claimed to be friends with Ta Pang, we had been in corp together, when he joined your merry band of nutjobs he asked me and a whole list of former corpmates to give him any slaves we had. So I did. If this proves he is a spy/infiltrator/lier etc... then what do I care?

Now do us all a favor and shut down your transmittor and go find your medication.


It does indeed add to the proof. It proves that Ta Pang did not make those rescues but was instead gathering slaves from former associates such as yourself and as you say "a whole list of former corpmates." These he reported as rescues, not as gifts from former corpmates. Indeed, you don't seem to care about how you have implicated your former corpmate. You have helped us prove that Ta Pang has been lying to us all along. I thank you for your help in this investigation, Mr. Sar'tek

SANKOFA

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#60 - 2012-03-21 15:15:48 UTC
Norrin Ellis wrote:
Ava Starfire wrote:

Mine is bigger than yours!

No mine!


What exactly is this doing in this thread?

Todako; if material resources can help your situation, let me know.

Else